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  posted on 4/21/2009 at 08:08 PM
This will be a fun topic, probably shouldn't even post it. who do you think are the best members of Dickey's band? Or would be a better fit in his band then the current members? I will admit that I'm not much a Duane Betts fan. he doens't seem to really have a style that is all his own... and Andy is a great lead player.... but I really preferred having Dangerous Dan in the band as his style was much more distinct... and Dickey played the slide in those days and I prefer Dickey's slide over Andy's. Between the two guitarists... I believe Andy is the better, more experienced guitarist, But the two of them don't really push Dickey like Warren did when he joined the Allman's. That's when I believe Dickey's playing was at its best. Mike is a great piano player and adds lots of piano and great harmonies... but I'm not real fond of what appear to be Gregg Allman impersonations of the classic blues songs. Pedro is an obvious monster. And the drummers rock... haven't heard the new one, but James Varnado is a freak who made the drummer in my band want to puke.

[Edited on 4/22/2009 by GuitarPlaynTaylor]

 

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  posted on 4/21/2009 at 08:16 PM
I pretty much agree. Dispite his detractors I thought Tolar was great.
 

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  posted on 4/21/2009 at 08:27 PM
We all know I think Dickey is great, so I won't go into that. Dickey and Andy play well together. I always loved Danny Toler's playing. Dickey and he played really great together. Dickey & Warren - outstanding. Dickey & Duane Allman - out of this world. I think Frankie Lombardi is a great drummer - kicks serious ass. Mike Kach has great chops. I like his playing better than his voice. And Pedro, what can you say. Pedro can hang with the best of the best.

 

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  posted on 4/21/2009 at 11:23 PM
I haven't really heard the band since Andy joined, but I agree that Pedro is a pretty damned solid bass player. However, I was never a big Dan Toler fan. In the 70's he was a bit of a Dickey clone, but during his time in Great Southern this past decade his tone turned sour and harsh to my ear, I don't think it meshed well with Dickey's very pure tone that just sang. And the whammy bar was just overkill. I actually enjoyed the lineup he had in 2001-2002 or so. I liked the horn on some songs, though it got to be a little too much when on every single song.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 05:04 AM
Thought DDT hit his peak with GA in the 80's. The strat and especially the whammy bar didn't work for me.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 07:00 AM
I dig the current Great Southern Band. All of them.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 07:33 AM
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I dig the current Great Southern Band. All of them.
Amen (though I have to admit a soft spot for Pedro - he's a joy! - and Dickey has always/will always be one my faves.)

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 09:37 AM
Ditto on Pedro. An EXCELLENT player and even nicer guy. Check out his solo work, "Pedro Arevalo and Friends" and "Pedro Arevalo and Friends, Too." That is how Pedro sounds on Siesta Key when he's not on tour with Dickey.

I met the entire band last June in Charlotte and ALL of them were very nice folks to hang with. Frankie hooked me up with a brew and Andy knew who I was from my participation on the website. I had met James and Duane in Sarasota before. All very cordial dudes and skilled musicians.

I never caught DB&GS live when DDT was in it, unfortunately, but did see ABB in '79 with DDT.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 10:18 AM
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I haven't really heard the band since Andy joined, but I agree that Pedro is a pretty damned solid bass player. However, I was never a big Dan Toler fan. In the 70's he was a bit of a Dickey clone, but during his time in Great Southern this past decade his tone turned sour and harsh to my ear, I don't think it meshed well with Dickey's very pure tone that just sang. And the whammy bar was just overkill. I actually enjoyed the lineup he had in 2001-2002 or so. I liked the horn on some songs, though it got to be a little too much when on every single song.


I like Dan but his tone , like you said, was harsh. It was very different and almost synthetic sounding the 2nd time around a few years ago. I thought Mark May did not fit well. I am not saying he is a bad player, just did not fit well with Dickeys tone and style.
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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 03:13 PM
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This will be a fun topic, probably shouldn't even post it. who do you think are the best members of Dickey's band? Or would be a better fit in his band then the current members? I will admit that I'm not much a Duane Betts fan. he doens't seem to really have a style that is all his own... and Andy is a great lead player.... but I really preferred having Dangerous Dan in the band as his style was much more distinct... and Dickey played the slide in those days and I prefer Dickey's slide over Andy's. Between the two guitarists... I believe Andy is the better, more experienced guitarist, But the two of them don't really push Dickey like Warren did when he joined the Allman's. That's when I believe Dickey's playing was at its best. Mike is a great piano player and adds lots of piano and great harmonies... but I'm not real fond of what appear to be Gregg Allman impersonations of the classic blues songs. Pedro is an obvious monster. And the drummers rock... haven't heard the new one, but James Varnado is a freak who made the drummer in my band want to puke.

[Edited on 4/22/2009 by GuitarPlaynTaylor]


I will agree with you that the Dickey, Warren combo were amazing!!! That is the combo that hooked me onto the Allman Brothers Band. It is supposedly Dickey's nasty attitude that chased Dangerous Dan away from Great Southern.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 03:25 PM
I've been lucky enough to catch Dickey in almost every phase of his solo career. I think the guitar player that pushed Dickey the hardest during that period was Dangerous Dan. Dan could run scales and play melody/harmony lines that were a perfect "set-up" for Dickey. Dan would pitch it and Dickey would hit it.... At times, Dan showed absolute brilliance and if given more of an opportunity...he would have continued to get even better. That was a big loss.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 05:15 PM
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I've been lucky enough to catch Dickey in almost every phase of his solo career. I think the guitar player that pushed Dickey the hardest during that period was Dangerous Dan. Dan could run scales and play melody/harmony lines that were a perfect "set-up" for Dickey. Dan would pitch it and Dickey would hit it.... At times, Dan showed absolute brilliance and if given more of an opportunity...he would have continued to get even better. That was a big loss.




What period of Dickey/Dan are you referring to? In the last phase when Dan played with Great Southern he was in his fifties and he would have left the band when he was about 56. Kind of late in his career to be improving his guitar playing don't you think?

Outside of Duane Warren pushed Dickey the most.


 

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  posted on 4/24/2009 at 07:22 AM
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I've been lucky enough to catch Dickey in almost every phase of his solo career. I think the guitar player that pushed Dickey the hardest during that period was Dangerous Dan. Dan could run scales and play melody/harmony lines that were a perfect "set-up" for Dickey. Dan would pitch it and Dickey would hit it.... At times, Dan showed absolute brilliance and if given more of an opportunity...he would have continued to get even better. That was a big loss.




What period of Dickey/Dan are you referring to? In the last phase when Dan played with Great Southern he was in his fifties and he would have left the band when he was about 56. Kind of late in his career to be improving his guitar playing don't you think?

Outside of Duane Warren pushed Dickey the most.




The early years 77-81... I was referring to the period after 81.
Losing Dan in '05 ?..was the big loss I was thinking about.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2009 at 10:07 AM
Loved the Dickey/Warren combo although Warren was in the learning mode and his tone was awful. Loved the Dan Toler years...a great match up, and Dickey played slide.
Love Pedro and the current band...they have the spirit of the 'old days'.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2009 at 10:17 AM
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Love Pedro and the current band...they have the spirit of the 'old days'.


BINGO

I am surprised nobody has mentioned the summer of 99 when Dickey and Derek sounded so sweet

I love -=DDT=- and his playing, he was wonderful during the first Great Southern as well as the
Enlightened Rogues, Reach For The Sky and Brothers of the Road daze...

When he returned to Great Southern he had changed slightly and the fit was not like the old days, but he chose to move on and I think has since had second thoughts, Just My Opinion

great thread

 

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he would have left the band when he was about 56. Kind of late in his career to be improving his guitar playing don't you think?

What's age got to do with it though? If you're in a setting where you're always being pushed to play better and you're driven enough to do so, you will improve as a player.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2009 at 11:20 AM
I don't thin Dan Toler has peaked yet.

His playing just gets better all the time.

Haven't seen Andy yet but so far my favorite great southern lineup is the one that
recorded "Collectors #1"

 

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  posted on 4/24/2009 at 11:45 AM
All the guys (and girl) who have come thru the band have skills and much to offer...I love the current band. Somehow the three guitars are complimentary...Andy has strong jam kung fu.

The 30 minute plus IMOER, High Falls, Jessica are AMAZING!

See 'em next month.

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  posted on 4/24/2009 at 12:45 PM
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I've been lucky enough to catch Dickey in almost every phase of his solo career. I think the guitar player that pushed Dickey the hardest during that period was Dangerous Dan. Dan could run scales and play melody/harmony lines that were a perfect "set-up" for Dickey. Dan would pitch it and Dickey would hit it.... At times, Dan showed absolute brilliance and if given more of an opportunity...he would have continued to get even better. That was a big loss.



Absolutely -- the band w/Dan, David Stoltz Kris Jensen, Matt etc was the bomb -- saw them a couple of times & they were damn good & real tight, to the point where you could even get past some of the sound difficulties at the Hampton Beach show -- have always dug that guitar slingin' DDT -- all of the musicians are so talented

 

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he would have left the band when he was about 56. Kind of late in his career to be improving his guitar playing don't you think?

What's age got to do with it though? If you're in a setting where you're always being pushed to play better and you're driven enough to do so, you will improve as a player.


The poster I was citing wrote that leaving Great Southern had interfered with Dan's guitar development. It was just another attempt to blame Dickey for something. That was what I was responding to.

I like Dan. I would have liked to see him and Frankie at the Beacon.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2009 at 03:50 PM
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The poster I was citing wrote that leaving Great Southern had interfered with Dan's guitar development. It was just another attempt to blame Dickey for something. That was what I was responding to.



That poster would be me. It was not just "another attempt to blame Dickey for something" I..was referring to the driving force Dan was to Dickey with Great Southern in '77 and how I felt he was just starting to grow into his own when the ABB broke up in '81/82....

I felt Great Southern lost a great player when Dan left in what?...'05?

 

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The poster I was citing wrote that leaving Great Southern had interfered with Dan's guitar development. It was just another attempt to blame Dickey for something. That was what I was responding to.



That poster would be me. It was not just "another attempt to blame Dickey for something" I..was referring to the driving force Dan was to Dickey with Great Southern in '77 and how I felt he was just starting to grow into his own when the ABB broke up in '81/82....

I felt Great Southern lost a great player when Dan left in what?...'05?


Absolutely... BIGV didn't blame Dickey for anything in his post and I agree with his point.

Plus, Dan Toler has DEFINITELY improved with age. And though it's true, that a lot of players don't keep growing when they are older, but Dan has come a long way and his style has come to run much deeper and versatile than before.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2009 at 04:02 PM
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Loved the Dickey/Warren combo although Warren was in the learning mode and his tone was awful. Loved the Dan Toler years...a great match up, and Dickey played slide.
Love Pedro and the current band...they have the spirit of the 'old days'.


I actually loved Warren's tone around 93-97 and there was that period around 94-95 when I thought Dickey & Warren's tone became a perfect contrast, especially because their playing was so in synch.

I could agree that earlier in that period 89-92 that neither of their tones were very consistant. Of course we're probably getting into very different preferences at that point.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2009 at 08:50 PM
The biggest mistake Dan Toler made was leaving Dickey's band..Plus the way he left a week before the band was to go out on the road was not cool...I loved his playing though...He did a great solo on Back Where it all begins...I also thought Mark Greenberg on drums was the best drummer Dickey had...I saw some truely amazing shows with Dan toler in the band...
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  posted on 4/24/2009 at 10:59 PM
As posted above I think Dan hit his stride after the Arista years, touring in Gregg's band. I don't really consider RFTS or esp. BOTR "guitar" albums. That was a big part of the problem.

"Maybe We Can Go Back to Yesterday" From BOTR is a great example. Just as Dickey and Dan start to fire it up at the end the song fades out. Damn that Clive Davis....

Only caught Dan in Dickey's band once up in Hampton Beach opening for Little Feat. Thought it was great. Also agree that Mark is an excellent drummer.

NOT trying to start anything here but I imagine all the personnel changes through the years have not helped the band.

 

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