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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 10:34 AM
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NAIROBI, Kenya NATO warships and helicopters pursued Somali pirates for seven hours after they attacked a Norwegian tanker, NATO spokesmen said Sunday, and the high-speed chase only ended when warning shots were fired at the pirates' skiff.

Seven pirates attempted to attack the Norwegian-flagged MV Front Ardenne late Saturday but fled after crew took evasive maneuvers and alerted warships in the area, said Portuguese Lt. Cmdr. Alexandre Santos Fernandes, aboard a warship in the Gulf of Aden, and Cmdr. Chris Davies, of NATO's maritime headquarters in England.

"How the attack was thwarted is unclear, it appears to have been the actions of the tanker," Davies said. Fernandes said no shots were fired at the tanker.

Davies said the pirates sailed into the path of the Canadian warship Winnipeg, which was escorting a World Food Program delivery ship through the Gulf of Aden. The American ship USS Halyburton was also in the area and joined the chase.

"There was a lengthy pursuit, over seven hours," Davies said.

The pirates hurled weapons into the dark seas as the Canadian and U.S. warships closed in. The ships are part of NATO's anti-piracy mission.

"The skiff abandoned the scene and tried to escape to Somali territory," Fernandes said. "It was heading toward Bossaso we managed to track them ... warning shots have been made after several attempts to stop the vessel."

Both ships deployed helicopters, and naval officers hailed the pirates over loudspeakers and finally fired warning shots to stop them, Fernandes said, but not before the pirates had dumped most of their weapons overboard. NATO forces boarded the skiff, where they found a rocket-propelled grenade, and interrogated, disarmed and released the pirates.

The pirates cannot be prosecuted under Canadian law because they did not attack Canadian citizens or interests and the crime was not committed on Canadian territory.

"When a ship is part of NATO, the detention of person is a matter for the national authorities," Fernandes said. "It stops being a NATO issue and starts being a national issue."

The pirates' release underscores the difficulties navies have in fighting rampant piracy off the coast of lawless Somalia. Most of the time foreign navies simply disarm and release the pirates they catch due to legal complications and logistical difficulties in transporting pirates and witnesses to court.

Pirates have attacked more than 80 boats this year alone, four times the number assaulted in 2003, according to the Kuala Lumpur-based International Maritime Bureau. They now hold at least 18 ships including a Belgian tanker seized Saturday with 10 crew aboard and over 310 crew hostage, according to an Associated Press count.

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Well, if they are just gonna be turned loose each time they are caught, why chase 'em at all?
Once again, the reality of policy and procedures defies good ol' common sense and logic. This is part of a NATO "anti-piracy" mission? I guess the first thing they need to do is establish authority as to how to arrest and prosecute suspects. Instead of it being the responsibility of the nationality of the ship that makes a capture ( Canada in this case ), the U.N. and NATO need to create a system that internationalizes the process, and prisoners are processed at one location. No, I don't know where... maybe an island somewhere.
Any solutions?

 
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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 10:37 AM
What will the pirates be for Halloween ?

 

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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 10:50 AM
It seems to me the best solution is for the shipping companies to contract with someone like Blackwater (I know they have a new name now) to put a few security professionals on every ship. Any boat that made threatening gestures would be subject to immediate gunfire.

Dying ain't much of a living, and this would go a long way toward shutting down the pirate industry. And there should be an international court that the pirates could be prosecuted in. It sounds like NATOis serious about catching them, but they shouldn't be letting them go.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 10:53 AM
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They can wear their regular clothes, but say they are "swashbucklers."

We were going to a Halloween party once, but I wasn't dressing up. I was wearing my regular clothes, and when my ex asked me why I wasn't dressing up, I told her I was dressed up. "I'm going as a stud." She thought that was real funny.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 11:01 AM
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It seems to me the best solution is for the shipping companies to contract with someone like Blackwater (I know they have a new name now) to put a few security professionals on every ship. Any boat that made threatening gestures would be subject to immediate gunfire.

Dying ain't much of a living, and this would go a long way toward shutting down the pirate industry. And there should be an international court that the pirates could be prosecuted in. It sounds like NATOis serious about catching them, but they shouldn't be letting them go.


I agree that there is gonna have to be a lot of shoot-em-up to get to the root of
the problem, both at sea and maybe at the source (pirate lairs that we can find and
verify). I am all for that approach to stemming the problem. But, first, they are gonna
have to have a system in place to handle captives... cuz there will be many if we really
get involved in this mission. Can there be no middle ground between killing them or just
letting them go?

[Edited on 4/19/2009 by crosstownbar]

 

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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 11:03 AM
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Maybe they'll pose as musicians and start singing "The Love Boat, soon will be making another run"...

 

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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 02:12 PM
Real simple solution.

Sink the bastards.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 02:30 PM
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that's damn funny.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 06:13 PM
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that's damn funny.


Keefer ... or dead, maybe

 

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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 07:10 PM
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Keith Richards.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 07:18 PM
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My choice would be chum.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2009 at 07:22 PM
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My choice would be chum.

 

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