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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 01:26 PM
Here's a link I saw on the Listserv for some news about Fujis....

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/7880

I know I already have to be careful about making sure the Fuji's I buy are made in Japan and not Taiwan...now I wonder if the Japanese ones (the TY ones) will no longer be avilable???

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 01:31 PM
I first noticed this a couple months ago. I bought a spindle and got home to notice they were made in Taiwan.
My non trader friends got a lot of freebies.
I've also noticed that some Sonys are made in Taiwan. But some of the dreaded Maxells are made in Japan

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 01:40 PM
In the case of Fuji here, it's not really a Japan versus Taiwan thing - I just use the country as a key to who actually made the blank media - up to now, the Fuji's made in Japan were the TY's, and the ones made in Taiwan were CMC Magnetics.

...and my usual disclaimer...I can and will use just about anything, except Maxell (they seem to result in a high percentage of coasters for me)...but lots of trading buddies expect the Fujis (with the expectation that they were made by TY) so I go out and get a ton of them when they're on sale...

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 01:53 PM
Jim Should I be worried that you even know about a place called CDFREAKS.COM?

I'm kidding that is interesting news. I bought a spindle of fujis recently and they were not audio or all purpose cdrs just regular data discs but the were stamped differently on the top. Now I had no problems with them and frankly didn't look to see where they were made. Interesting point though is when I went back to this store for something else they were nearly giving these things away. I problably would have bought more but just didn't need them at the time.

I didn't realize Sonys were a no no for some people. My opnly problem ever has been with Memorex and not recording or extracting I just can't play the things in most of my CD player half the time. I should tell people not to send memorex but the fact is I can extract from them I just can't listen to them .

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 02:11 PM
CDFREAKS appears to be a fairly wierd place.....first and only time I saw that site was after the link was posted on the ABB listserv.

Sounds like the kind of place where folks would want to gather around with their micrometers to measure the variation in thickness of different blank media down to the millimeter.....

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 03:08 PM
I've had a ton of trouble with Memorex - can't play 'em, can't extract, can't burn. Only good for the 'ole trash can hoops sessions! I had a 10-pack once where 7 of them were worthless.

I usually use Fuji (Made in Japan only) and Mitsui. Mitsui is awesome! but they're also more expensive. If the Fuji's are no longer reliable than it looks like I'm gonna be spending a lot more on blanks!

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 03:09 PM
Passing this series of related messages along from EMule...pretty interesting I thought.

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I posted Huffy's link to the Digital Panic website about Fuji and Taiyo
Yudin. One eager trader called Taiyo Yudin and this info he got is pretty
interesting considering the disdain for Maxell CD-Rs.
Just thought ya'll might be interested. Thanks Huffy for the link. The
e-mail is below.
Jamie

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From: "David S. Brown" <dsbrown1969@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: "David S. Brown" <dsbrown1969@earthlink.net>
To: DIGITAL-PANIC@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG
Subject: Re: Fuji America no longer using Taiyo Yuden media for their own
discs
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:00:25 -0400

I just spoke to a Mr. Matsumoto at Taiyo-Yuden...What a very nice man.....
He seemed surprised that a lone consumer would call him to ask about the
link generously provided by Jamie Lee. I told him that I thought Fuji was
making a mistake and he said he would look into it....etc.

I really called him to ask him what brand his product could be found under.
He told me Maxell. This may not be news to many of you, but I thought it
was interesting. Several traders I have come into contact with, in my few
short months of trading, refuse Maxell cd-rs.....This, it seems, is a
mistake.

Just trying to spread some info.

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Wow...I just called Maxell to verify the info. given to me by Taiyo-Yuden. The nice woman at Maxell informed me that there are really only 4 or 5 factories in the world pressing all of our discs. (She told me that maybe t-y does press some of their media, but by and large, the parent company Hitachi does this.)

It would seem that we are caught up in the world of corporate conglomeration and that our whims and preferences are being molded by branding through advertisement, product placement, and other micro-economic factors. Now, I'm not saying that those of you with greater experience in the world of trading digital audio do not have a better grip on what brands of media are better than others, but I now know that BRANDS are just that...Companies may label their products under one name, but they may receive their products from several sources. I may be overstating this a bit, but I know that this Maxell representative was less interested in answering my pointed questions, than in promoting her product...(This I know because samples of her product are now being sent to me.)

I am convinced in the superiority of Japanese made CD-Rs, but as far as the BRAND goes, I'm not going to pay much attention to it. The "made in Japan" label seems to suffice for now.

Since I have decided that I have nothing better to do today, I will now try to ferret out third-party evaluations and product tests designed to help the consumer.....first stop..consumer reports....more as I know it....

DSB
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Well, Mr. Matsumoto and I just spoke for about 30 minutes. He verified the fact that there are only 4 or 5 plants in the world making our CD-Rs. He also wanted to clarify the link that Jamie originally posted. He said that Fuji is receiving discs from a source other than t-y right now because t-y is temporarily running low on their supply. He did, however, say that Fuji would NOT be using discs made by CMC.....

He also informed me that any disc bought in this country that says "Made in Japan" is produced by taiyo-yuden. So, it doesn't matter whose brand name is on it, if it says "Made in Japan" on the label....it's quality. This I know has never been a point of contention on these lists. Wade Cooper's e-mail from earlier points to this.

So I had this guy on the phone, and he was interested in why I would be so interested in this issue. When I told him that I bought 150 CD-Rs every 2 months, he almost swallowed the phone. He has never heard of Panic, Mule, Phish, SCI, NMAS (you get the point..) HE'S NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THE GRATEFUL DEAD!!!!

So I told him to go to db.etree.org and walked him through my list....HE WAS FREAKING OUT!!!! I walked him through Chris Davis' list (the other one).....He couldn't believe this..He could not believe that there was a community out there that loved his product and would love to be able to get it even cheaper than they already were.....He was even more amazed when I told him that we do not charge each other for music...that we are a community that loves to trade music.....The people making money are the post office and the distributors of CD-Rs.....

I then began to rant about corporate structures, proprietary rights, and the like and told him that he should figure out how to benefit from the open market. I told him that he should tell his superiors to make a website that we can access in order to get his product cheaply. I told him to google taiyo-yuden and look at the middle men that were selling his product online already.....

Now, his operation is totally not set up to distribute directly to the consumer. The good news is that there are only two salesmen for his company in this country and he is one of them.....I asked him to look into the niche market that I introduced him to (I told him to goto phishook too)....and see if maybe it would be a good idea to begin a direct marketing program with folks like us. I think he liked the idea....he said he'd be in contact with me.....I feel like asking him for his e-mail so we could flood his mailbox with votes of support for a direct marketing effort to be taken up by his company......

Anyway....I'm really just procrastinating....I have a 2 hour oral exam to take in 2 weeks and I'm desperately looking for ways to avoid it.....


DSB

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Lots of folks are asking for his phone and e-mail....they're not that hard to find actually.

I do think we should wait and let him digest this stuff.....If he wants to be introduced to his market....Then I think we'll all come together and do it in an orderly fashion.....

This is all so very new to him and I think it would be best if we let him figure some things out for himself....

I'll contact him next week and let him know that lots of folks would be interested in contacting him and showing him their support for some kind of direct marketing effort.....

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 03:34 PM
WOW! I still can't play memorex CDRs anybody know where they are made?

 

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WOW! I still can't play memorex CDRs anybody know where they are made?

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 04:23 PM
I use Sonys for trades more than I use fujis and have never had a problem with them- that seems pretty strange.

Don't know where memorex comes from but never have had a problem burning or listening to them.

Maxells suck and should be banned from stores- or at lest have a disclaimer posted above them explaining what a terrible product they are. I find it funny that Maxell put out such a high quality cassette tape but such a low quality CD

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 04:37 PM
I never really new a whole lot about CDR's until recently. I just bought what was cheap. And I tend to have good luck with Memorex. Normally only 1 or 2 in 50 is bad. But it looks like I'll be buying Fuji (Japan) now.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 04:56 PM
If you don't care about CDR media, please disregard the following..

Most of the time the problem like you all are describing with the Memorex is a compatibility issue with the combination of the burner and the media. For example using a Mitsumi burner with Memorex discs I have never had a problem with burning or play back. However somebody else using a Plextor and Memorex might. Likewise, I have had some problems with Imations before and where others using a different brand of burner have not. Generally it is not the media itself causing the problem, but the result of the burner + media. This usually only applies to brands outside of the Taiyo Yuden Or Mitsui (Japanese)family. TY has maunfactured discs marketed by Fuji, Sony, Memorex, Maxell, HP, and probably others...you have to check for (1) Made in Japan, (2) a cloudy inner ring of the discs and though not as much anymore,(3) the screw top spindle.

The manufacturing specs and dye layer quaility are superior in the discs made by TY & Mitsui and so generally never present problems across a wide range of buners. I would have to get really technical to explain this, and frankly I don't really care as long as I know what the deal is. Companies such as Ritek & CMC just don't manufacture to as rigid a standard as the Japanese. In many cases they are using manufacturing equiment that won't meet or maintain the specs demanded by TY & Mitsui.

BTW, if you live in Atlanta you can purchase directly manufactured Taiyo Yuden & Mitsui discs in a wide variety of finishes for a reasonable cost at Tape Warehouse. The last spindle of unbranded TY I purchased there was $28 for a 100 spindle. Not as cheap as the Fuji TY's with rebates, but if Fuji goes the Taiwan route I won't have any choice. There are some good online sources too...

I have a freeware CDR identifier program (only 108 KB) that I can e-mail to anybody who might want it. It will generally tell you who maufactured it and some other tidbits of info about the disc and is compatible with most burners although not all. If you contact me, do so by e-mail or I won't send it.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 07:41 PM
So I guess ANY brand made in japan (TY) would be considered "quality?" The only discs I have had a problem with is the store brand junk. I have never bought maxells, but the few I have recieved in trades have had problems ripping with EAC.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 08:31 PM
first...RonB's post is an example of why I think he needs to be included in the nominations for "Trader of The Year"...

Second - to add on to Denza's post - if you're interested in this sort of stuff, checking for that "made in Japan" label is a pretty safe bet.

Also...EAC will also tell you the type of CD-R you have - using the EAC09b version, and after selecting that "WRI" icon on the lower left, you can click on "CD-R" on the top menu, then select "Display CD-R Information" and it tells you who made the disc.

This works with a blank disc or a disc that's already been burned and closed.

For example, I just verified a TDK I got sent was made by CMC Magnetics, and that a blank Fuji (made in Japan) is a TY.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 09:33 PM
I seen the TY maxells. Whats everyones thought on them?

 

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  posted on 9/10/2003 at 10:57 PM
Denza mentioned unbranded TYs. If I have a problem with any discs it's unbranded regardless of the manufacturer. It's not a compatability issue, it's a physical durability issue. If I lose another show because the damned ink flakes/peels off the plastic I'll spit! I'm still trying to hunt down another copy of the fantastic Merle Haggard/Willie Nelson show I received on unbrandeds and watched in horror as flakes of silver floated down onto my carpet when I went to listen to it. I've had far, far more problems with those than with any brand name made in Taiwan.
Actually, I'm looking to replace Mule's 12/31/02 show as well for the same reason. Disc one is missing only a pinhole sized bit of ink, but that's enough to ruin it. Well I guess it'd be good if I had an eclipse of the sun to look at or something, but it's crapola in the cd player.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2003 at 08:15 AM
I can't imagine flaking occuring on a silver top unbranded TY, maybe some generic thing but the finish on the TY is as solid as anything else. I guess anything is possible though...

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Jimmy, is it Memorex discs that you have burned that won't play or does it happen with all Memorex you have been sent? Is it just trying to play them on your computer or is it any CD player you try? I'm just curious...if you will send me your addy I'll send you a freebie of something on a Memorex, I just want to see if that will play for you.

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  posted on 9/11/2003 at 08:24 AM
Thanks for the info on CDR media! Looks like made in Japan is where its at for top quality!

 

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  posted on 9/11/2003 at 09:50 AM
I have always thought that my problem is with the CD players. I can Play, extract and burn to or from memorex on my computer without any problems at all.

At least 50% of the time I can't play memorex burned by myself or others on 3 out of 4 of my CD players. Oddly enough I can usually play them in a "Walkman" type portable player I have that is made by Phillips. My car, home stereo and other portables wont play them as I said at least 50% of the time. They skip and sound like a record player going accross an album without a needle or they do nothing at all. I never complain or require other brands becaus I can extract from them, burn to other discs and then play the new ones just fine. Although it's frustrating because I get a lot of shows on Memorex. The Gold ones were the worst but I don't see them much anymore and may have been gulty of writing on them with Black which I beleive I read somewhere is a No No.

Now that being said, the flip side is I don't just automatically re-burn every memorex I get. Sometimes Less than 50% they play just fine.

This is all very interesting and helpful and I appreciate your interest in my problem.

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  posted on 9/11/2003 at 01:47 PM
FWIW....

I just went to my local Best Buy to get some blanks and ALL the new 100 ct. spindles of Fuji's were Taiwanese. The 50 ct. spindles were a mix of TY and Taiwans...

 

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  posted on 9/11/2003 at 01:59 PM
This is all interesting. Is the problem with Memorex on the audio/music discs, data discs, or both? I have a stand-alone burner so mostly use audio/music discs. I've used white-top "Memorex CD-R for Music" discs a lot and havn't had a problem in any of my burners or players. Does the TY vs. Taiwan Fuji's debate apply to audio/musics discs as well? I've used a lot of brands of audio/music discs and frankly never paid much attention to country of origin because they all seem to work fine in my burners/players.

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