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  posted on 4/10/2009 at 12:12 PM
I noticed this morning that Pollstar has Warren listed separately at some of the Dead and Allman Brothers shows. Does this by any chance mean he might be opening these shows with an acoustic set like he did a couple years ago???
 
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  posted on 4/11/2009 at 01:24 AM
I hope and pray not.

Really it is too f'n much already. He does not need to perform for 45 minutes to get a few more people to buy a few more seats in the NYC area venues. It will do NOTHING for his career and will just provide an alienating experience to him and the five hundred fans who will see singing alone with his guitar on a stage build for 20 in a 15,000 person venue. His doing these dates is totally f'in uncalled for and totally disrespectful to his artistic integrity.

And if you believe he will just say no to the brothers if the brothers ask him I would say you are a not seeing things clearly.

Not only that but people just want to hang out in the lot and party in the summer before the shows, especially in the 3 Metro NYC shows. What is the matter, neither WSP or the Brothers can fill the venues without Warren eking out yet another version of Soulshine???

It is totally uncalled for for him to have to do anything more than he is doing for the brothers and their fans this year. And if it was about Warren the dates would be on the west coast or the middle of the country and NOT the NYC area where he has a sufficiently large enough following to fill the Beacon for NYE for 3 nights.

Not that any following can't grow, but a solo performance in front of 500 or 1000 people in a 10,000 or 15,000 or 20,000 person venue is TOTALLY uncalled for and totally disrespectful to his artistic integrity.

[Edited on 4/11/2009 by Angelemerald]

 

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  posted on 4/11/2009 at 02:16 AM
Hey. Before you go getting your panties in a big wad about how Warren doesn't need to do this for the Allman Brothers Band, take a deep breath. Its probably just been pulled from Warren's website, as it is listed that these are his upcoming gigs: Allmans, Dead, Mule, etc. I am willing to bet Warren Solo will not be opening the ABB summer tour. And, SERIOUSLY, are you CRAZY thinking adding Warren solo would bring that many more heads into a venue??? Sometimes the Warren worship around her blows my mind. Outside of this, and the general jamband scene, do you think the general public recognizes his name?? Craziness!
 

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  posted on 4/11/2009 at 03:01 AM
Pacman, btw, my anger has nothing to do with you or your question so don't take my response personally.

 

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  posted on 4/12/2009 at 01:06 PM
Man, I am NOT feeling what Angela said. More Warren is always good. And as far as being totally disrepectful to his artistic integrity. Nope, not feeling that either. We are all entitled to our opinions, but sometimes they are just too strong and negative. And that is MY opinion.

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  posted on 4/12/2009 at 07:12 PM
Warren is not a machine and he is not the savior of the Jamband scene nor is he the savior of the Allman Brothers Band. He is one member in the band. He is not solely responsible for their success nor their lack of it. No matter how many people want to make Warren Haynes the savior and no matter how many believe the hype of him as the hardest working man in the music business tag line - Warren is a man who needs to take care of his health and his psychological and emotional well being - Just like we all need to take care of our own self. It is about being a healthy human being and not just about how many shows he plays or how many fans get happy to see him when he plays his guitar.

Also, and I mean this with the utmost respect to you - Neither your opinion on the matter, nor mine is of any consequence.

Warren does what he wants.

I just hope it is in his true best interest.


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Man, I am NOT feeling what Angela said. More Warren is always good. And as far as being totally disrepectful to his artistic integrity. Nope, not feeling that either. We are all entitled to our opinions, but sometimes they are just too strong and negative. And that is MY opinion.

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[Edited on 4/13/2009 by Angelemerald]

 

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  posted on 4/13/2009 at 07:59 AM
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Warren is not a machine and he is not the savior of the Jamband scene nor is he the savior of the Allman Brothers Band. He is one member in the band. He is not solely responsible for their success nor their lack of it. No matter how many people want to make Warren Haynes the savior and no matter how many believe the hype of him as the hardest working man in the music business tag line - Warren is a man who needs to take care of his health and his psychological and emotional well being - Just like we all need to take care of our own self. It is about being a healthy human being and not just about how many shows he plays or how many fans get happy to see him when he plays his guitar.

Also, and I mean this with the utmost respect to you - Neither your opinion on the matter, nor mine is of any consequence.

Warren does what he wants.

I just hope it is in his true best interest.


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Man, I am NOT feeling what Angela said. More Warren is always good. And as far as being totally disrepectful to his artistic integrity. Nope, not feeling that either. We are all entitled to our opinions, but sometimes they are just too strong and negative. And that is MY opinion.

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[Edited on 4/13/2009 by Angelemerald]


Saw Warren Haynes open for the ABB in Pittsburgh in September 2004 (2005?), there was actually a big crowd for his set and an appreciative one at that. Have never been sure how to interpret some of your messages nor what your level of involvement is with Warren Haynes, whether you are employed by Hard Head or Warren. Will just end by saying that we have always enjoyed his solo performances and have never perceived him as a performer to be teetering on the edge of poor emotional well being. Looking forward to seeing some of you folks in NC this Fall! Can't make any of the Dead shows due to busy work season that entails lots of travel and lots of work.

 

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  posted on 4/13/2009 at 09:40 AM
I am just one person with an opinion. A fan like the rest.

I hope Warren does not open any ABB shows this summer with an acoustic set and that when he has the proper time, he will do a full acoustic tour. I believe that is what his work deserves and it is what I will advocate for. And it has been a long time coming.

Luckily I have seen him perform at least 1000 times in the last 9 years with all his projects and bands. I have seen quite a few of his full length solo performances and they are far superior to the brief opening sets he has done. Both in terms of performance and set list. Doing an opening set in a 15,000 to 20,000 person amphitheater for a crowd of 500 to 1000 people, especially in the metropolitan area this summer is a waste of his time and energy. I would rather see him take the time to relax before show than ever see him push himself for absolutely no reason what so ever, which is what an opening slot at this venues would be, a waste of his time.

I will be seeing him for five Dead shows this month, so like I said, I have no need to write on a message board and advocate he do even more than he is doing. He is touring way enough this year and he does not need any more responsibilities.

He can do what he wants of course.

And you can write what you want and so can I. I however, don't feel the need to challenge your opinion nor your motivations nor do I feel the need to ask you to validate your opinion or comments with a resume.



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  posted on 4/13/2009 at 01:31 PM
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I am just one person with an opinion. A fan like the rest.


You've previously also been very concerned about Warrens health.
Also you're monitoring him far more closely than any one of us.
I guess you know more than we do which might explain your reaction.

If you look at all his activities this year, that's really enormous if not just too much.
I hope Warren knows where his limits are and that he won't exceed these limits.

 

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  posted on 4/13/2009 at 07:15 PM
Actually I am seeing him more frequently than a lot of fans. So maybe that means something. Maybe not.

All I know is that I care about Warren and his well being. I don't care if he does more shows or not. I think he is touring way enough this year. And it is good to hear that maybe a few other fans care enough about him to be aware of that.

But he is the master of his own fate. Of course.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2009 at 09:40 AM
at first glance,i disagreed with Angela given that i LOVE Warren's acoustic work,but frankly after thinking it over,fans today are busy yapping on their cells or screaming over the music in alleged conversation & many pay little attention to the music...all ya gotta do is try to listen to the music when the dynamics change to softer sounds & all ya hear is the roar of the audience--starting in the early 70's when i started following the Grateful Dead or the JGB the fans would ignore & shout over ALL opening acts--today in our age of rudeness & lack of manners fans are way outta control & will probably just drown out & disrespect Warren solo...i still recall Gregg pullin' out the baby grand @ the Beacon a few years back,attempting to sing a soulful Oncoming Traffic--the crowd drowned him out...or the ABB acoustic sets--listen to the tapes--the roar of the crowd again....or DTB when Derek plays soft while the crowd screams their conversations drowning out the music...so,Warren it ain't worth it for the rare moment when the loudmouths shut up...hope they shut up,at the very least,while the Dead play...but,i doubt they will--rudeness is the sign of the times
 

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  posted on 4/14/2009 at 12:39 PM
I'll never forget the time I begged that Warren do a few solo songs before a Beacon Mule show. I was so embarrassed by how rude everyone was to him during the 2 songs he ended up doing.

Also, and this is key, the crowds want to party in the lot before the amphitheater shows.

I saw him do a 40 minute set at Jones Beach in 04 opening for the Dead. There were 500 people tops in the house to see him. I can't imagine what an alienating experience that whole tour must have been for him to have to sing to a nearly empty house for 25 shows. And then to have to ignore the fact that people streamed in constantly during the set, talking and disregarding him a few songs before the end so they could get their seats for the main act.

No, the summer amphitheater crowd is not a good time to schedule opening solo acoustic sets. I'd rather see him have a drink, have a smoke, relax and enjoy the time before the real show than to have to see him disrespected like that. It has to wear on a person, even if they are used to the behavior of crowds. Solo shows should be in the proper venues. (And even at the Angel shows you had Mule people who behaved like they were in a GA party atmosphere.) But without a doubt, PNC, Jones Beach and Camden are not the right venues for a Warren solo show.

Even I would rather be partying in the lot and you know how little I drink and party really so that should say something.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2009 at 12:46 PM
the rudeness is,sadly,not restricted to Warren.....i always wondered how the artists feel about the loud talking or those not paying attention--perhaps,they could care less--many play for themselves first & foremost &/or some may just dig the payday!

Besides Neil Young i can't think of many artists who told the crowd to shut the phuck up i'm sure there are a few more,but most seem to tolerate it--maybe it's harder for the listener/fan than the musician--after all,Warren can hear his monitors

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  posted on 4/14/2009 at 03:13 PM
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I'm sorry Angela, but you sound like a total idiot here. Who are you to decide that these performances are "uncalled" for. For Christs sake Angela, "disrespectful to his integrity"!!!

I think maybe you need to step back and stop going to so many shows. That statement is about as stupid as anything I have ever heard. If Warren wants to open those shows acoustic to spread his music a little more or just to throw the fans a bonus set then all the power to him. As long as he doesn't wear himself thin physically he is giving his fans as well as ABB and Dead fans a nice bonus set.

I was at the Dead shows at Jones Beach a few years back when Warren opened and although the place wasn't totally full for Warren's set it was at least half full and the crowd loved it. I see this as nothing but a positive.

If you think Warren is being disrespectful to his artistry(which I don't understand anyway) then don't go in for his acoustic set Angela. You claim to be such a big Warren fan, then you turn around and accuse him of being disrespectful to his integrity???? Do you know the meanings of the words you are choosing to use????? IMO your post is very disrespectful to Warren and his integrity which he has tons and tons of. The man and his music are the definition of integrity IMO.

Grow up Angela!!! I like you but you are making a fool of yourself with statements like that. Rant over!



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  posted on 4/14/2009 at 03:21 PM
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I saw him do a 40 minute set at Jones Beach in 04 opening for the Dead. There were 500 people tops in the house to see him.
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Sorry Angela, but that is bull$hit!!! I was at both of those Dead shows and the place was at least half full for Warren's acoustic set and the crowd loved it. You can post all of the opinions you want, but don't come on here and exaggerate things to try and make your point. There were far, far more than 500 people watching Warren's sets at both of those JB shows.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2009 at 03:54 PM
You are entitled to your opinion Pete.

 

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