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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 10:03 AM
The FBI is involved, so what do you think of the President's non response thus far?

Or do we assume that because the FBI is involved that is somewhat of a "response"?

Does that bother anyone?

Or is it just OK that he is saying nothing, letting it play out?

 

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 10:09 AM
He's asked Johnny Depp to step in and help negotiate the situation.
 

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 10:12 AM
The Navy is there. SecState has made many comments regarding the situation. The thinking may be that if the President offers a strong statement at this time, that will only encourage more such attacks because they bring high level attention.

Just guessing...

 

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 10:15 AM
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Don't we have Navy ships there? What sort of a response would you expect?


Some comment to the American public that we are actively pursuing the safe return of an American citizen for starters.

Don't get all into a hissy piss fit with me, I'm just asking the question.

Like I said in the original post, if what is going on currently is to be assumed as a response than so be it.

And if that captain is released today then Woo Hoo, all is well.

 

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 10:24 AM
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The FBI is involved, so what do you think of the President's non response thus far?

Or do we assume that because the FBI is involved that is somewhat of a "response"?

Does that bother anyone?

Or is it just OK that he is saying nothing, letting it play out?


What the hell else do you critics want him to do? There is already several Navy ships enroute, including at least one destroyer.

I think I would fall over dead if even one of you Googled before getting on here to be all concerned.

USS Bainbridge


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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 10:24 AM
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We have a hostage sitoation where the hostage takers have few, if any, options. If they kill the captain, they die. If they let him go, they will either be arrested or die. I'm trying to think what Obama, or anyone else for that matter could add, but I got nuthin'.


Agreed. They have very little to lose and 72 virgins to gain. The captain on the other hand has a wife and family he probably wants to see again. These people are nuts and don't need to be provoked for the captain's sake.

 

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 10:26 AM
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Some comment to the American public that we are actively pursuing the safe return of an American citizen for starters.



OK, don't think I'm exclusively defending Obama here, because I'm not. Americans find themselves in trouble all over the world fairly often. If the President commented on every single situation every time it happened, such things would surely increase in occurrence. If you are a terrorist with a message, and you knew that your message would get immediate worldwide attention and the attnetion of the President, you'd take hostage the first American you saw.

 

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Some comment to the American public that we are actively pursuing the safe return of an American citizen for starters.



OK, don't think I'm exclusively defending Obama here, because I'm not. Americans find themselves in trouble all over the world fairly often. If the President commented on every single situation every time it happened, such things would surely increase in occurrence. If you are a terrorist with a message, and you knew that your message would get immediate worldwide attention and the attnetion of the President, you'd take hostage the first American you saw.



I think you have to make a distinction here between terrorist and pirate. These guys are in this for the money, not for any ideological reasons. These guys want money and want to live to spend it. Terrorists often don't mind dying for their cause.


I know that. I was using the word terrorist not in reference to the details of the current situation, but rather in regards to the attention a Presidential comment would bring to it. All I'm saying that if every single act of violence against Americans abroad required a Presidential comment, those acts would certainly increase.

 

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In Haradheere port, a pirate stronghold, an associate of the gang said the gunmen were armed and ready to defend themselves.

"Our friends are still holding the captain but they cannot move, they are afraid of the warships," he told Reuters. "We want a ransom and of course the captain is our shield. The warships might not destroy the boat as long as he is on board."

Pirates there said two boats full of gunmen had left the port to go and support their surrounded colleagues.

"We are afraid warships will destroy them before they reach the scene," one told Reuters.


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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 11:00 AM
There are some ideoligal components involved with the Somali hijackers, but the money is certainly #1. Hence, my reference to the 72 virgins.

 

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 11:08 AM
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Hence, my reference to the 72 virgins.


Come on, you just wanted to talk about virgins...

 

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 11:12 AM
Don't you know it was translated wrong, it is Virginians, not virgins.

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 11:29 AM
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Hence, my reference to the 72 virgins.


Come on, you just wanted to talk about virgins...


OK, got me there.

Some of these pirates are at odds with most other followers of Islam in the communities where they originate because the greed and abundant cash has led to some behaviors that are diecidedly against Islam. However, there is believed to be a significant connection to the pirate gangs and radical Islamic groups in Somalia. So, it would be grossly inaccurate to categorize these gangs as militant Islamic groups, but the connection between such groups does appear to exist.

 

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There are currently 14 ships being held by Somali pirates. This is a situation that has been going on for long before Obama took office, but I do hope there is a solution to this piracy. It seems like a joke in this day and age.

 

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 01:50 PM
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I'm sure Obama will handle this like Clinton did the USS Cole situation.
Ok, if you're going there you need to include Bush here since he took office shortly after the Cole 'situation' happened and has been equally under fire for not seeking any military action.

 

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Pirates there said two boats full of gunmen had left the port to go and support their surrounded colleagues.

"We are afraid warships will destroy them before they reach the scene," one told Reuters.






Yeah, that would be unfair. Damn warships are killing free enterprise.


Yeah, there goes the Obama administration attacking capitalism again. Using big government (ships) to regulate and put the little guy (pirate) out of business. Just one more reason Obama is destroying the world. I'm not sure if this is socialism or fascism, but it sure isn't capitalism.

 

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I'm sure Obama will handle this like Clinton did the USS Cole situation.


Yeah, with the two situations being equal and all... surely you arent that dumb.

BTW, please tell us what Clinton should have done considering that neither the FBI nor the CIA could point to any group in particular.

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 03:05 PM
What really needs to be addressed is the instability in Somalia.
that is the only way to shut down these pirates.

 

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that is the only way to shut down these pirates.
Amen. Perfect example of total anarchy over there

 

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What really needs to be addressed is the instability in Somalia.
that is the only way to shut down these pirates.




It's going on 20 yrs, and multiple failures.

 

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 04:44 PM
This is not a situation that calls for the President of the United States to turn it into an international incident. That would hold true whether the President is Obama or Bush. I am sure he was briefed by the FBI and NSA. The Navy will do what it can as will the FBI. WHat to do on a more systematic basis is an entirely different story and I would hope the U.S., as the strongest Naval power int he world, along with the British would consider options to put a stop to piracy in this part of the world. Ultimately it may require some action in Somolia itself as the situation cannot stand. As for Obama, he did nothing wrong in this situation.

 

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This is not a situation that calls for the President of the United States to turn it into an international incident. That would hold true whether the President is Obama or Bush. I am sure he was briefed by the FBI and NSA. The Navy will do what it can as will the FBI. WHat to do on a more systematic basis is an entirely different story and I would hope the U.S., as the strongest Naval power int he world, along with the British would consider options to put a stop to piracy in this part of the world. Ultimately it may require some action in Somolia itself as the situation cannot stand. As for Obama, he did nothing wrong in this situation.


I agree, but I don't know if there is a lot that can be done. As I said earlier, this is a very large section of ocean with a lot of merchant ships in it. I don't know what we could do in Somalia as there is really no government, it is like Iraq, only in place of 3 factions, we have mulitple warlords who each control qa small piece of the country. I believe we went in there once before without much success. Besides, our forces are stretched thin and we would have to occupy the country to get any semblance of order there and right now, we do not have the manpower required.


We don't have to "get order" necessarily. But we DO need to stop piracy on the high seas somehow, someway. It is just inotlerable. If it means arming merchant ships so they can resist it may mean that. If it means investing in the kind of technology that would let us track them we need to do that. Wringing our hands is NOT an option in this case.

 

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This is not a situation that calls for the President of the United States to turn it into an international incident. That would hold true whether the President is Obama or Bush. I am sure he was briefed by the FBI and NSA. The Navy will do what it can as will the FBI. WHat to do on a more systematic basis is an entirely different story and I would hope the U.S., as the strongest Naval power int he world, along with the British would consider options to put a stop to piracy in this part of the world. Ultimately it may require some action in Somolia itself as the situation cannot stand. As for Obama, he did nothing wrong in this situation.


I agree, but I don't know if there is a lot that can be done. As I said earlier, this is a very large section of ocean with a lot of merchant ships in it. I don't know what we could do in Somalia as there is really no government, it is like Iraq, only in place of 3 factions, we have mulitple warlords who each control qa small piece of the country. I believe we went in there once before without much success. Besides, our forces are stretched thin and we would have to occupy the country to get any semblance of order there and right now, we do not have the manpower required.


We don't have to "get order" necessarily. But we DO need to stop piracy on the high seas somehow, someway. It is just inotlerable. If it means arming merchant ships so they can resist it may mean that. If it means investing in the kind of technology that would let us track them we need to do that. Wringing our hands is NOT an option in this case.


Can't merchant ships arm themselves? Why is it the government's job to do that? This is the other side of the world after all. If the US sends escort warships, this really shouldn't be on the taxpayers dime either. We're not talking about US waters, or even our hemisphere.

 

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"These people are nothing more than criminals and we are bringing to bear a number of our assets, including naval and FBI, in order to resolve the hostage situation and bring the pirates to justice," said Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

President Barack Obama was getting regular updates on the situation, said spokesman Robert Gibbs. Attorney General Eric Holder says the United States will take whatever steps are needed to protect U.S. shipping interests against pirates.



 

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  posted on 4/9/2009 at 09:54 PM
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Hence, my reference to the 72 virgins.


Come on, you just wanted to talk about virgins...


We don't see that enough around here.

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