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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 10:52 PM
Guys, let's be real...that was pitiful.
 
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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 10:56 PM
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Guys, let's be real...that was pitiful.


really? i can see bob sucking but Phil is the best... maybe they were just a little out of step doing ABB material? what tunes did they do?

[Edited on 3/29/2009 by dano1881]

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 10:59 PM
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Im in total agreement

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 11:11 PM
Nearly 90 minutes they did three songs. Too much noodling.This is an ABB show not Dead. Gregg Allman sat there doing nothing.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 11:27 PM
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really? i can see bob sucking but Phil is the best... maybe they were just a little out of step doing ABB material? what tunes did they do?

[Edited on 3/29/2009 by dano1881]


Sugaree>I know you rider>Franklin's Tower

I'm gonna pull some old dead out to clear that mess from my memory.

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 11:47 PM
For Gregg to have had that little involvement in the final set of a Beacon run celebrating their 40th Anniversary was bad planning by Warren. Phil & Bobby should have been in the first set instead - and chuck should have been the closing guest in a straight ABB closing setlist.

Tonight was as shameless a rehearsal for Warren and the Dead as appearing on 'The View' on Monday. Gregg deserves better after 40 years.

Just my opinion.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 11:47 PM
For awhile I was afraid that Gregg had gotten a fax during the intermission.


 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 11:52 PM
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Disagree totally, loved every minute of it. Lots of people didn't and that's ok different strokes, but I guarantee the people on stage were havin' a ball.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 12:04 AM
Left over Ratdog resentment?

I enjoyed it personally.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 12:09 AM
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For Gregg to have had that little involvement in the final set of a Beacon run celebrating their 40th Anniversary was bad planning by Warren. Phil & Bobby should have been in the first set instead - and chuck should have been the closing guest in a straight ABB closing setlist.

Tonight was as shameless a rehearsal for Warren and the Dead as appearing on 'The View' on Monday. Gregg deserves better after 40 years.

Just my opinion.


Amen brother. But the band did close out with a final jam. It was a great closer. My buddy was here, he's been wanting a Hot Lanta. I haven't watched them all, so maybe I'll find him one.

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Left over Ratdog resentment?

I enjoyed it personally.


As of the Phil and Bobby massacre(he he, I had to) It was sad.I wanted it to be better. Heck, I'm going to Greensboro next month to see the Dead, but Warren sang his part of Sugaree better than Bob. Heck, at times, Bob actually sounded as if he was howling. Howling Bob. Oh well. It was fun. I'll MOOOOOGIS again someday. See you guys in the chats.

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 12:15 AM
I thought everything was fine except when Bob sang. If that's all he has left he should leave the vocals to someone else. I thought Phil cooked though!!! No complaints about the setlist or music. They still played lots of Brothers tunes and finished it off great.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 12:42 AM
Why do people feel the need to rip apart just about every guest the past three weeks? Phil Lesh is one of the best bass players to ever grace a stage, and he didn't disappoint tonight. Bob Weir, even though his vocals are suffering these days, is a fantastic rythym guitar player. It is not about how many notes he plays, it's about what he adds to the whole soundscape.

If you can't appreciate what happened on stage tonight, oh well. The ABB and the GD have a history of playing together spanning four decades and I enjoyed every moment of it tonight. But I may be just a little biased though, I saw the GD over 200 times.

My first Dead show was on June 9, 1973. Doug Sahm, Wet Willie, Grateful Dead and the ABB all for $7.50. Four decades of music history.

Hell, I've become an old fart.

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 12:51 AM
people are going to complain no matter what. If there were no guests tonight people would bitch....... when there is people bitch about how they "dont belong" or didnt sound good ......some people just wont be happy no matter what is played. I am a huge deadhead so i thought phil and bobby were great ....if ya didnt dig it there was still 2 hours of the abb tearing it up!!! does anyone have an negative comments about chuck?????? i personally think he was out of this world on every song he sat in on ..

great run! thanks ABB

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 01:37 AM
Got home a little while guy. Digesting. Basically it was the old adage about Oil and Water. Just different speeds. Allmans way ahead. You know Oil and Water. And im a big deadhead- but Bob thinks hes in a hotel lounge playing to 65 people.So weak at times in my opinion. Phil is great. But once they got off the stage, the Brothers lit the place up like there was no tomorrow. Good show overall. Very long. Chuck was great. But did each of the tunes with Bob and Phil have to clock in at an average of 17 mins? Probably not. I quickly forgot about em during the Black Hearted 2mins later. Was like 2 different shows in one. If someone had never heard of either band, and went tonight for the first time they would probably say "yeah it was awesome but that part in the 2nd set where those 2 guys out- that was seemed kinda sloppy, and not really rehearsed that often". that came Saw how Gregg was basically filing his nails and programming his tevo somehow to fill the time. The biggest drag was every time when there was nothing happening whatsoever for what seemed to be 4 or 5 seconds - ANd that happened at LEAST 3x if irecall correctly.

But- a great run. Thanks to Moogis for the nights i didnt attend, they were GREAT every night. Thanks.
Gonna rest now.
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Edit- watching some of it back now, and there were a few bright spots here and there with Phil and Bob. I see Derek just wanted to let loose, however.

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 01:46 AM
what was tonight's set list?
 
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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 02:18 AM
tonight was pitiful?? you people serious? i went to all but 3 shows and tonight was f'n awesome, i had a blast, and guess what!! when the dead were on people were actually dancing!! as opposed to sitting!! it was great, did you people even here that franklins?? with chuck luuuuuuvvvvv ripping it up?? yeah ok if you thought that was bad your just a dead hater, that was awesome , just got home show went till 1am sorry it was too long for the skirts. p.s. what about the rippng first set?? born under a bad sign?? hello?? that show rocked from start to finish.
 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 02:22 AM
DID YOU SEE PHILLS BASS??? ANYONE GOT A PIC?? HOLY CRAP THAT WAS COOL!
 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 02:45 AM
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Guys, let's be real...that was pitiful.


really? i can see bob sucking but Phil is the best... maybe they were just a little out of step doing ABB material? what tunes did they do?

[Edited on 3/29/2009 by dano1881]


Sugaree>I know you rider>Franklin's Tower

I'm gonna pull some old dead out to clear that mess from my memory.

[Edited on 3/29/2009 by wbhoward]


Damn it was really that bad eh?


Yup - I was there and it was embarassing, especially since I'm a big-time Deadhead - I'll be honest; I don't really care for "THE DEAD." I am an old-school Dead freak, the Dead with Jerry G. though, and therein lies the problem: Bobby lamely attempting to do Jerry tunes...WHY??? He's got his own tunes, do them! They should have done Jack Straw, Playin' OR Truckin' (w/a nice Jam in the middle - would have loved to hear DT and Warren shred Playin!) and One More Saturday Night or Sugar Mags and call it a night.
Instead? We got a..... SUGAREE!?!?!
That was a signature Jerry tune, Bob's got no business singing it.
Tomorrow I have to break out GD 6/8/77 and listen to a REAL Sugaree to"wash away" the bad sound from my ears. And let's be frank: Bobby's voice SUCKED! What was he doing? That was not singing! He was...growling and talking - but not singing. And Bobby....you've been singing "I Know You Rider" for 50+ years, how can you mess THAT up??? Jeeziz..."Truckin'" I can understand, the lyrics are tricky. But...I KNOW YOU RIDER? Really? Anyway....Franklin's was just as bad. I gotta break out Red Rocks 7/8/78 to remedy the Franklin's Fiasco. Phil was OK - my beef was with Bobby. He's got no biz singing those sacred Jerry tunes - cuz he can't sing them and never will be able to. ARUMPH!!! Rehearsing a bit might have helped. Bob sounded and looked "lost." I don't know what the deal was, but something was "off" with those two, especially Weir(d).
Warren, OTOH, can sing the hell out of anything! At least Chuck Leavell did a nice job w/Franklin's. Oh well...at least the Bros played their usual awesome show. Love the Beacon and have especially enjoyed this run, since I was able to see *ALL* 15 show (thanks to....Moogis - I saw three in person).
I'm gonna miss not seeing the ABB 5 nights a week.
I bid youse good night/good mornin' from Noo Yawk...

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 03:05 AM
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Guys, let's be real...that was pitiful.


really? i can see bob sucking but Phil is the best... maybe they were just a little out of step doing ABB material? what tunes did they do?

[Edited on 3/29/2009 by dano1881]


Sugaree>I know you rider>Franklin's Tower

I'm gonna pull some old dead out to clear that mess from my memory.

[Edited on 3/29/2009 by wbhoward]


Damn it was really that bad eh?


Yup - I was there and it was embarassing, especially since I'm a big-time Deadhead - I'll be honest; I don't really care for "THE DEAD." I am an old-school Dead freak, the Dead with Jerry G. though, and therein lies the problem: Bobby lamely attempting to do Jerry tunes...WHY??? He's got his own tunes, do them! They should have done Jack Straw, Playin' OR Truckin' (w/a nice Jam in the middle - would have loved to hear DT and Warren shred Playin!) and One More Saturday Night or Sugar Mags and call it a night.
Instead? We got a..... SUGAREE!?!?!
That was a signature Jerry tune, Bob's got no business singing it.
Tomorrow I have to break out GD 6/8/77 and listen to a REAL Sugaree to"wash away" the bad sound from my ears. And let's be frank: Bobby's voice SUCKED! What was he doing? That was not singing! He was...growling and talking - but not singing. And Bobby....you've been singing "I Know You Rider" for 50+ years, how can you mess THAT up??? Jeeziz..."Truckin'" I can understand, the lyrics are tricky. But...I KNOW YOU RIDER? Really? Anyway....Franklin's was just as bad. I gotta break out Red Rocks 7/8/78 to remedy the Franklin's Fiasco. Phil was OK - my beef was with Bobby. He's got no biz singing those sacred Jerry tunes - cuz he can't sing them and never will be able to. ARUMPH!!! Rehearsing a bit might have helped. Bob sounded and looked "lost." I don't know what the deal was, but something was "off" with those two, especially Weir(d).
Warren, OTOH, can sing the hell out of anything! At least Chuck Leavell did a nice job w/Franklin's. Oh well...at least the Bros played their usual awesome show. Love the Beacon and have especially enjoyed this run, since I was able to see *ALL* 15 show (thanks to....Moogis - I saw three in person).
I'm gonna miss not seeing the ABB 5 nights a week.
I bid youse good night/good mornin' from Noo Yawk...



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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 07:19 AM
first set great...

Phil, outstanding...

Bob, see a doctor.

Yes, I'm going to the Dead.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 07:24 AM
Phil's bass was made by Jens Ritter...beautiful basses and very $$$

http://www.ritter-basses.com/ritter-basses-baesse/ritter-basses-jupiter.htm

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 07:25 AM
loved seeing/hearing Phil--a thunderous experience
 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 07:33 AM
Huge GD fan, huge, and I know the road is tough and those guys are old, but fellahs...it's time to get back to playing SONGS. Standing there "playing" Sugaree for 25 minutes? Weir barely even strummed his guitar for most of it!! GREGG was more active than Bob for stretches.

To put that in to perspective, the Sugaree they played last night was longer than somen(most???) of the Dark Stars they played during the acid test days. In fact, for most of that set, if it hadn't been for the vocal parts, I doubt I could have told you what tune they were playing.

People need to lighten up around here about the "guest bashing" posts. This post, and I suspect a majority of the other posts about guests, are part what makes up being a fan of these guys - and I am a huge fan of Phil and Bob.

My post here is also about catharsis. I have not heard the guys from the Dead in over six years and I used to see the GD alot back in the day; that was flat out horrifying. I had to call and old friend of mine that I used to see shows with just to check in and hear that he was doing ok. Thank God I was tired last night because that was the kind of spectacle that can keep you up a night thinking about things.

Those guys need to start getting back to the SONGS. The GD was always at its best when the jamming grew from a song and a theme. Weir needs to get back to some nice 4 minute versions of Me & My Uncle and 6 minute Cassidys. Rather see minimal jammng and just the songs.

Will say this: I have no problem with Bob singing Jerry tunes at this point. It's been 13 years.

Phil put up a nice fight, but sorry to say that tone he had going did not suit him at all.

Like other posters on this thread, I need to find a way to wipe that from my mind. Very depressing effort from guys who can do MUCH better just by sticking to short versions of the great songs they have written.

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 08:09 AM
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Im in total agreement


I love Bob and Phil but it's been bad for a while now. Sorry to offend anyone. Loved the first couple of Phil and Friends and Rat dog but they are unlistenable right now. The players they have in each band are great but the leaders (Bob/Phil) are off in noodling heaven right now.

On a side note did anyone notice that Bob had a slide in front of him. Is he kidding me. WARREN AND DEREK next to him, that would have been hilarious if he played it.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 08:29 AM
All I'm saying is it was closing night. Phil and Bob got a little too much stage time. Chuck's sit in was justified, given his tenure in the band. Maybe Phil and Bob should have played in the first set, and there wouldn't be so many negative comments? Food for thought...

Overall, the 2009 Beacon run was TOTALLY awesome, many stellar moments. Thanks guys!!

 

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