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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 10:44 PM
I've been reading different posts on the forum for about an hour now and had no intention of logging in and posting anything ... but I must say I agree with the sentement of Ms Tedeschi being out of place and, frankly, annoying. I don't think she is a very good singer, she is an average at best guitar player, and my observation is that her voice interferes with Derek's guitar.

I also think it is ridiculous that the people who like her accuse those who don't of not being good fans of DT/ABB/DTB.... Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the anti-Susan sentiment has every right to be heard. I am glad that people are speaking out... When I go to an ABB/DTB show i go expecting to see that band plus maybe a special guest or two..., not the somewhat talented wife of the guitarist... If they didn't turn a set over to Clapton why the hell would they do it for Susan?

I went to 6 Beacon shows this year and I thank the lord above she wasnt at any of them. I hear she practicallly took one show over... that's terrible... I've seen her take DTB shows over too and I can't stand it. When they are billed together I know to avoid those shows, and if I had been at these Beacon shows, I can tell you there would have been no question as to when to go take a leak, get a drink and maybe step out and get some air. I prob would have walked back in a few times and been like wtf she's still on'???

Of course it's the band's decision but I don't think there's any question that she would be featured so regularly if she wasn't Derek's wife. While talented, she is not nearly in the class of guitarist as Derek and Warren. IMO she should never be given a substantial lead... Even better, she should leave the guitar backstage and come out for some occasional backing vocals. She is just out of her league. Many times I can recall Derek having to step in to rescue a trainwreck of Susan's making.

Now to the question as to whether she is the modern day yoko... I think that is going a bit too far, esp when related to ABB, but like i said above I've been to DTB shows where she was not on the bill but wound up over... How do you think that Mike feels about that? I think Mrs. trucks would kill (not literally) to be the lead singer in DTB... I hope it never happens...

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Final thought about moogis... I have been tempted to join up but I have decided against it because I am not going to pay to rent music for a few months. For starters, i have paid enough, having gone to 6 shows, and I don't think it's right for them to charge so much for content that I won't even own. Put them out on DVD's or let people download and own the material, and I will be next to sign up... Get it right Butch!

[Edited on 3/29/2009 by dano1881]

 
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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 10:48 PM
you are a loser.
 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 10:52 PM
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you are a loser.


beacon run was awesome... very fortunate to be able to catch 6 shows and no susan.,.. only low point was kid rock.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 11:55 PM
Was yet another thread necessary? I thought this had been beaten to death already...perhaps you just wanted to see your name on page 1?



[Edited on 3/29/2009 by gondicar]

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 11:59 PM
Yet more idiocy.

Dano, what instrument do you play?

 

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Yet more idiocy.

Dano, what instrument do you play?


why does it matter if i play an instrument? what point exactly are you attempting to make? it's not like i am asking them to bring me onstage...

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 12:25 AM
More Susan!
 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 12:27 AM
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I guess the horse wasn't quite dead. Tell us which show she "almost took over". I'd like to watch that one again.

As for you not wanting Moogis. Fine, that's your loss. Show me another band that does anything close to this.

C ya.


All I ask for at a DTB show, for example, is that if it's going to be a Susan Trucks Band show, that they put her on the bill so that fans of DTB can decide whether they want to spend their $$ on an STB show.

As for moogis, i know i am not alone... they have missed out on a ton of sales due to this... i stood by the moogis boothe a a bunch of times during the beacon run and i heard the same thing over and over... so if they are trying to make moogis viable, they really should be responsive to the requests of potential customers. Are you saying it would somehow be worse if they let you d/l the video? cmon...

(the above comments were never intended to suggest that people weren't signing up for moog b/c of susan... I think this may have confused people. I was only talking about the fact that you have to stream the music from moog and then after 6 months you get nothing. They shuold pick a handful of shows and let you download them... at least let people feel like they are getting something lasting for their $$)


[Edited on 3/30/2009 by dano1881]

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 12:28 AM
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More Susan!

Less, much less please!

I do think you are likely to win though.. and it will eventually destroy dtb...

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 12:49 AM
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I guess the horse wasn't quite dead. Tell us which show she "almost took over". I'd like to watch that one again.

As for you not wanting Moogis. Fine, that's your loss. Show me another band that does anything close to this.

C ya.


All I ask for at a DTB show, for example, is that if it's going to be a Susan Trucks Band show, that they put her on the bill so that fans of DTB can decide whether they want to spend their $$ on an STB show.

As for moogis, i know i am not alone... they have missed out on a ton of sales due to this... i stood by the moogis boothe a a bunch of times during the beacon run and i heard the same thing over and over... so if they are trying to make moogis viable, they really should be responsive to the requests of potential customers. Are you saying it would somehow be worse if they let you d/l the video? cmon...




Right, a lot of people didn't buy Moogis because they knew that Susan would be at a few shows.

I'll try to get in touch with Butch so maybe he can coordinate with you who is or isn't a good guest to have since you seem to have such insight into what the fans like.

I'm still waiting to hear which Beacon show she "almost took over".


2 separate issues, chunky... you're blurring them

i wasnt at the one she played longer at but it soundled like she got like half a set and some of the band left the stage to her???... that's too much... imo she should get to sing background on "anyday" and the wedge... no guitar at all for her.. it's embarassing to watch how outclassed she is. she should know better. and she only gets away w/ it cuz she's mrs trucks... just admit that and i won't post on the subject again.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 10:14 AM
OK here I go.

On the topic of Susan taking over a DTB show. If you went to a Soul Stew show, that's the way it is. It isn't a DTB show. It's a Soul Stew show and Susan is the main part of the band. There was a tour back in the Fall of '06 where their respective bands went on tour together. Those times Derek and Susan would come out for a few songs in the other band's set.

Otie, I think the ABB show dano is referring to is 3/21, where Greg, Warren and Derek were getting over the flu. Susan came out to help carry the show. She did this back in '07 when Warren was sick with a stomach virus.

She's always at the HTN party. Look through the fan photos and you'll see plenty of pictures of her with fans. I find it amazing that someone as gracious and thoughtful as Susan, is immediately thought of as being a shrew and demanding that she get the spotlight. It's the personal attacks on her that I find galling. You don't like her singing? Fine. Don't like her guitar playing? Fine. Don't accuse her of being this demanding, manipulative b*tch. She doesn't 'take over shows' or throw hissy fits.
All my comments aren't directed solely at you, Dano. There are plenty of other folks on this forum that have said worse things about her than you.

 

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OK here I go.

On the topic of Susan taking over a DTB show. If you went to a Soul Stew show, that's the way it is. It isn't a DTB show. It's a Soul Stew show and Susan is the main part of the band. There was a tour back in the Fall of '06 where their respective bands went on tour together. Those times Derek and Susan would come out for a few songs in the other band's set.

Otie, I think the ABB show dano is referring to is 3/21, where Greg, Warren and Derek were getting over the flu. Susan came out to help carry the show. She did this back in '07 when Warren was sick with a stomach virus.

She's always at the HTN party. Look through the fan photos and you'll see plenty of pictures of her with fans. I find it amazing that someone as gracious and thoughtful as Susan, is immediately thought of as being a shrew and demanding that she get the spotlight. It's the personal attacks on her that I find galling. You don't like her singing? Fine. Don't like her guitar playing? Fine. Don't accuse her of being this demanding, manipulative b*tch. She doesn't 'take over shows' or throw hissy fits.
All my comments aren't directed solely at you, Dano. There are plenty of other folks on this forum that have said worse things about her than you.


wasn't a soulstew show it was DTB.

also i don't think I called her a manipulating bitch... she seems like a very nice person... and that's just it, i have nothing against her personally... and i never said she throws hissy fits... but i have seen non-stew shows that i thought kinda turned into her show... i am thinking specifically of nokia theatre in 2008 or late 2007....

"All my comments aren't directed solely at you, Dano. There are plenty of other folks on this forum that have said worse things about her than you"

fair enough... she seems totally cool, i have nada against her personally...




[Edited on 3/30/2009 by dano1881]

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 09:20 PM
Hey Dano go toss a salad.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 09:36 PM
dear old_time_fan:

"Right, a lot of people didn't buy Moogis because they knew that Susan would be at a few shows. "

i want to say unequivoclally that I don't believe I said and if it seems I did, I certaintly did not intend it. in fact, i am sure this is not the case. the moogis point i was making was that i stood by the moogis booth quite a bit and heard many people say they did not like the fact that the service is stream-only and for a finite period of time. you can care or not care about that but for some people it's a deal breaker.

[Edited on 3/30/2009 by dano1881]

 

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dear old_time_fan:

"Right, a lot of people didn't buy Moogis because they knew that Susan would be at a few shows. "

i want to say unequivoclally that I don't believe I said and if it seems I did, I certaintly did not intend it. in fact, i am sure this is not the case. the moogis point i was making was that i stood by the moogis booth quite a bit and heard many people say they did not like the fact that the service is stream-only and for a finite period of time. you can care or not care about that but for some people it's a deal breaker.

[Edited on 3/30/2009 by dano1881]


You did say it and you edited it out today. So now we have to quote your posts so you can't say something, edit it out and claim you never said it.


lol you crack me up...really, who give's a crap, but let me say that my edit was probably for spelling, grammar, or clarity...i honestly don't remember if i edited something about susan/moogis...I certainly don't THINK I did, but for a moment, let's just say that i did... it would have been because upon re-reading it, it didn't come across the way I meant it.

I never meant to suggest that people weren't joining moogis because of Susan and frankly, I think you misunderstood what i said and are pouncing on the fact that I edited the post for other reasons to cover for the fact you misread it in the first place and thus mis-fired in your response.

Not to mention the fact that my point about moogis has always been separated from the Susan comments by a bunch of ~~~~~~~~~~... I never mentioned moogis in the tedeschi part and I never mentioned tedeschi in the moogis part. I will not have my integrity challenged by some guy who's just pissed that I don't like Susan Tedeschi.

Think about it for a sec. If I HAD said it, it would mean that I had already chosen to lie about what I was hearing at the Moogid booth. I could sit here all day and say I heard comment after comment that people wouldn't subscribe to Moog b/c of Susan and you wouldn't be able to refute that one bit...

And since I would have already decided to lie, there would be no reason for me to edit it out simply b/c one guy who responsed thought it was BS... You must think you busted me red handed and forced me to run and cover my tracks... that's a laugh and a half....

So there you have it, old_time_fan... you should admit you are wrong and drop this nonsense...

PS.. why are you avoiding the moogis point, which I think is fair? Do you work for them or something and don't want to address the suject, or are you just in it to protect Ms. Tedeschi's honor?

[Edited on 3/30/2009 by dano1881]

 

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  posted on 3/29/2009 at 11:29 PM
BTW- I have to say that I am a little miffed that this post got moved to "the playpen"... this is because I criticised susan? there are almost no personal attacks in this post and there is some good conversation back and forth,... i guess i can see why it was moved from the Beacon board, but I think a more appropriate place for this would have been general discussion. You guys seem open enough to tolerate a little dissent from time to time. That's all this was... on both Susan and Moogis....


 

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  posted on 3/30/2009 at 05:34 AM
I think the moogis deal is pretty good and will get better.

Not a big Susan T. music fan though, not that she sounds bad or anything like that. Just not for me.

 

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  posted on 3/30/2009 at 06:03 AM
I'd like to post that I have had the pleasure of meeting Susan Twice now. Both occasions, she took the time to smile and chat with me, not because I'm a fan, but because I believe that is who she really is. A very nice person. Just my gut instinct.

She is a passionate performer and I will be seeing her perform again at Humphrey's in Late August.

She also signed my guitar after finger picking on it for a moment. Very cool.

8 months later, when she signed my CD cover, she actually remembered that it was a Gretsch.

She's OK in my book.

 

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  posted on 3/30/2009 at 09:39 AM
As butch said in one of the Moogis forum threads,

"I keep saying this, you just can't please everyone"

 

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I'd like to post that I have had the pleasure of meeting Susan Twice now. Both occasions, she took the time to smile and chat with me, not because I'm a fan, but because I believe that is who she really is. A very nice person. Just my gut instinct.

She is a passionate performer and I will be seeing her perform again at Humphrey's in Late August.

She also signed my guitar after finger picking on it for a moment. Very cool.

8 months later, when she signed my CD cover, she actually remembered that it was a Gretsch.

She's OK in my book.




for the record i've never once insinuated that susan aint good peeps. to me it's just self-evident that she is. i am just not a big fan musically.

 

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As butch said in one of the Moogis forum threads,

"I keep saying this, you just can't please everyone"




ain't that the truth.

 

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As butch said in one of the Moogis forum threads,

"I keep saying this, you just can't please everyone"




ain't that the truth.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2009 at 06:03 AM
Dano, a lot of my post was directed at folks in another thread that made all kinds of derogatory remarks about Susan's character. Your thread just happened to be the recipient of my rant.

I think this thread was moved to the Playpen because the previous Susan thread in the Beacon section got real nasty real quick. When the topic poster in that thread refers to her as Yoko right off the top, that's going to enrage a lot of folks, me included.

I went back in Archive.Org and saw that the Nokia show with DTB you may be talking about(10/28/06 a double bill with STB?) had Susan singing 6 out 15 numbers. I can see if you aren't a fan that would be excessive. Most of the other shows, she only did 3-4 songs.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2009 at 06:06 AM
Oh, also the 3/21/09 ABB show in addition to the band being ill, it was rumored that the scheduled guests cancelled. We were left with Southside Johnny.
 

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  posted on 3/31/2009 at 11:57 AM
" Many times I can recall Derek having to step in to rescue a trainwreck of Susan's making."


I just have to respond to this one. No problem with your opinion of Susan although I disagree with most of them, but I have seen Susan play with the Allmans several times and let me tell you, EVERY one of those show it has been Susan and the rest of the band that has had to step in and rescue Derek from a spazmatic melody and groove killing train wreck NOT the other way around.
Take 'The Weight' for example. When they started doing this one in 2006 it was a revelation. The one they did on 3/18/06 was one of Derek's finest moments. Since that time Derek has actually gotten worse on this tune for some reason and it is always Warren or Susan or Chuck trying to jump in and get Derek back on track.
I have no problem with the the Susan opinions or your post, but I have yet to see or hear Derek ever rescue Susan, or anyone else for that matter, from a train wreck. Seen Derek guided back to the pack plenty of times. You are going to have to provide some examples of Derek rescuing Susan for me to believe that you are doing anything but blowing hot air.

 
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