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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 12:07 AM
Anybody else feel this way?

I've actually felt this way for a long time, but yeah I got wrapped up in the excitement of last week with everyone else. Then I was just watching some youtube videos of the Brothers' 3/19 performance with EC, and honestly, EC's playing was really uninspired. In particular, his solo on Dreams consisted of a series of disconnected minor pentatonic blues licks. If I had my eyes shut, you could have told me it was a guy from the bar down the street playing...

And, somehow, he made Little Wing feel square and boxy. Hendrix's version Little Wing was so intricate, had so much depth. I think Clapton butchered it. But even from 3/19, the song didn't take off until Warren's solo, which, even though it wasn't great by Warren's standards, it at least had some fire to it.

Putting the history element aside, as a pure player, I don't think EC can shine Derek's shoes. There I said it. Derek's on a whole other plane. Clapton's endlessly stuck in penatonic thinking...Derek's teasing Coltrane and seems never to run out of interesting, articulate variations on his staple ideas.

I don't know; I think Clapton's really all hype. Anybody with me on this?
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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 12:19 AM
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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 12:23 AM
Absolutely not!!! Clapton is awesome and killed it both nights he played. 'Stormy Monday' with Slowhand was my favorite song of the run so far. Three generations of awesome guitar players sharing the stage was magical.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 12:27 AM
I haven't seen/heard the Stormy Monday they did. Still, for my money, as a player (not a personality), he's not in the same league in terms of creativity as Derek, Warren, or Duane (or a lot of others for that matter).
 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 12:48 AM
IDIOT

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 01:15 AM
No, I can't say I agree with much of what you said.

Sure Trucks seeks his inspiration in different horizons than Clapton, and should be credited with that.
But Clapton has a body of work and success that Trucks will have to work hard to get to that level. His work in Cream was ground breaking for guitar. Derek and the Dominoes and his first solo records were the step beyond Cream. Does the man get no credit for the music HE did write?

If you want to see something interesting, watch the Concert for George, or specifically, maybe its on You Tube, Clapton soloing, I believe on acoustic, with Ravi Shankar's daughter. They're doing this open ended time signature Indian raga (no 4/4 blues) and Clapton plays some amazing guitar on the piece.

Beside, bottomline, this ain't a competition. Everyone has favorites, they enjoy, and everyone has some players that they just don't get. Garcia is my hangup. I recognize the guy had talent,certainly many here passionately love him and his playing, but ya know, he just doesn't do anything for me. Same deal with Trey Anastasio of Phish.

But we should talk about who we like, and if you don't dig a player, its not mandatory you mention it, or criticize the guy.
Because as you see, he's got fans out there....

Let me ask, how old are you?
It could be a generational thing here.



 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 01:35 AM
This may be the lamest post yet. But, due to a lack of musical knowledge, specifically considering the history of the music made from 1964 to 1976 which embarrasses any 12 -year period of music made since then due to the lack of the creativity of subsequent generations, sorry about your luck- you suck- I can understand the comment. To me, I think that Thursday's "Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad" was incredible and brilliant. It was history being made in 2009. And for Clapton to take off on "Liz Reed," "Statesboro" and "Dreams," I'm guessing Duane, Clapton's creative buddy, would have loved it, in my opinion.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 02:30 AM
I would not say boriing, but in terms of grooving with the ABB, this is why I said Jimmy Herring was > Eric Clapton

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 02:33 AM
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Anybody else feel this way?

I've actually felt this way for a long time, but yeah I got wrapped up in the excitement of last week with everyone else. Then I was just watching some youtube videos of the Brothers' 3/19 performance with EC, and honestly, EC's playing was really uninspired. In particular, his solo on Dreams consisted of a series of disconnected minor pentatonic blues licks. If I had my eyes shut, you could have told me it was a guy from the bar down the street playing...

And, somehow, he made Little Wing feel square and boxy. Hendrix's version Little Wing was so intricate, had so much depth. I think Clapton butchered it. But even from 3/19, the song didn't take off until Warren's solo, which, even though it wasn't great by Warren's standards, it at least had some fire to it.

Putting the history element aside, as a pure player, I don't think EC can shine Derek's shoes. There I said it. Derek's on a whole other plane. Clapton's endlessly stuck in penatonic thinking...Derek's teasing Coltrane and seems never to run out of interesting, articulate variations on his staple ideas.

I don't know; I think Clapton's really all hype. Anybody with me on this?
(End rant.)

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Whatever!

I suggest you buy the Cream DVD from Royal Albert Hall 2005. You might learn something about guitarplaying!

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 03:03 AM
I liked seeing Clapton play with the ABB; but I can see how you can say that Clapton hasn't really evolved as a musician except for with Cream, the bluesbreakers, and when Layla first came out, and how his music from when he was a junkie and a lush is just plain bad! Also his acoustic version of Layla that was popular during the 90s is really bad too.
 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 04:16 AM
Even admits to not seeing or listening to the songs, i.e. Stormy Monday.

One of the more stupid posts concerning the 2009 Beacon shows.

Looking for attention...........

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 04:53 AM
Boy,they let anybody on these posts!! clapton is one of the greatest of all time.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 05:56 AM
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Boy,they let anybody on these posts!! clapton is one of the greatest of all time.


no doubt

I love how people on this board keep comparing everything to warren/derek/jimmy, gheesh, nobody's any good if you do that

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 06:57 AM
clapton boring, who are you kidding? he is so diverse and creative, he can write, he can sing and all those amazing musicians who lick their chops to play in his band. i have to disagree with an exclamation point.

his personality on stage is boring, but come on people, we have Mr. Trucks who is my favorite of all-time but I dont think he is exactly Mick Jagger on stage either.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 07:04 AM
nope - can't agree with you on this one - he lit up the stage when he came out on thursday & friday - awesome

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 07:21 AM
Clapton boring... really....no, I think you are out there on your own
 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 07:21 AM
Doesn't play with feeling? To each there own I guess but Clapton has played more than a few solo's that hit the center of my soul. Old Love on 24 nights is one of my favorites but I'm not sure how I even was able to picked just one.

As far as tooling around in minor pent scales, maybe he learn it from Hendrix who played a ton in minor pent (see rainbow bridge album).

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 07:28 AM
Oh my, not a good thread.

First and foremost, alot of you trolls have forgotten that the 40th Aniversary is pay tribute to Duane and the entire band.

Clapton is a great musician and was good of him to come pay tribute to Duane.

There are so many negative attacks......these belong somewhere else, not here

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 07:34 AM
Everybody is entitled to their opinions, but boy do I disagree with that one. And I don't know music theory so I can't tell you technically why I love to hear Clapton play the blues, but his solos are filled with feeling and emotion and they connect with me. I was at the 3/19 show --with my 18 year old son--because we were going to find a way to see that history in the making. And it was made and we'll never forget it. Dreams, Little Wing and Why Does Love Have to Be So Sad were beautiful. And to see it at a small theater when Clapton could fill The Garden at a moment's notice was even more incredible. Some of my friends and family think I am certfiable to go to three concerts in two weeks, but I tell you, this Beacon run has been nothing short of out of this world and my hat's off to everybody who obviously went the extra mile to make it that way for the fans and in tribute to Duane. --Jim
 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 07:51 AM
I would never say Clapton is a boring guitarist. But he did write some boring tunes.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 08:03 AM
Looks like mission accomplished for the 1st poster, he wanted to stir something up and that he did.

That being said, I know everyone has an opinion, but the original opinion is incorrect.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 08:15 AM
There is one thing that keeps getting overlooked when people comment on the guests that have shown up during this run. The ABB are a well rehearsed, very polished band. The guests at best get a sound check, then they get thrown in with musicians that know each others moves inside and out. Derek Trucks to put it simply is a freak, absolutely untouchsble by any generation of guitarist. Warren Haynes is the working man's guitarist, he has learned his trade well and can make any other musician he plays with better. If it wasn't for Eric Clapton opening the eyes of music fans and budding guitarists around the world to American blues you may never have heard of people like Duane Allman, Derek Trucks, Warren Haynes and too many other people to list. To have witnessed, via Moogis, three of the greatest living guitarists sharing one stage together was pure bliss. If anyone was bored by last Friday and Saturday's performance they may be happier seeing a high school talent show. I would have Creamed my jeans if I was at the Beacon seeing those three guys playing live.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 08:17 AM
Clapton is a living legend and his status as such is well deserved. Ever heard of the Yardbirds?
His playing on the Beano album with John Mayall was revolutionary and turned the guitar world on
its collective ear. One of the first things Hendrix wanted to do when he made his first trip to England was
to meet EC because he was so moved by EC's playing on Beano. EC's phrasing, vibrato, use of feedback, etc.
Mike Bloomfield raved about him. I have heard both Johnny Winter and Ritchie Blackmore speak of learning
vibrato from Clapton while listening to Beano. So too with Cream. Listen to nearly any live Cream from back in the day,
(or even the 2005 RAH reunion). Awesome stuff that had a massive impact on all guitar players. Listen to the emotion
and unique phrasing of ECs playing on the Beatles While My Guitar Gently Weeps. (The guy bends a step and half
with wide vibrato!) Blind Faith was a great record and then comes Derek and The Dominos. I don't need to tell this crowd about
that record. Get yourself some boots of EC's Nothing But The Blues shows from the early-mid 90's and listen to his playing
on those. I honestly feel that it was during that period that EC did his best playing of his life. There are few guitarists, that
have ECs history, ability to play with emotion, his impeccable phrasing, and oh yeah, the guy can sing a little. The bottom line is that EC's impact on guitar playing is equalled by few. EC was a pioneer and came along at a time when music history was being made. Look at his catalog of classic songs. Can Derek or Warren ever hope to match that? Can any guitar player in our era? So Derek teases Coltrane? EC teases B.B., Albert, Buddy, Freddie, etc. They have different influences. I guess you prefer jazz to blues. I am sorry that you are bored by ECs playing. Perhaps you should get your pulse checked. EC all hype? I think not. You are probably they guy I heard behind me on the 19th yelling "Clapton, you suck! Get off the stage you piece of **** !"

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 08:48 AM
Eric Clapton is a living legend. Duane Allmann froze up when he saw Eric in the audience.
If Clapton was boring and overrated Duane wouldn't have played on the Dominos album. Eric Clapton is the most famous guitarist with the highest reputation world wide.
Clapton is also an elder statesman musician who always gives a plattform to younger musicians. He promoted Derek Trucks and made him known to the world.
Whoever considers Clapton boring and overrated has not the slightest idea of guitar playing and the history of guitar playing. There are guitarists who have a better playing technique. But there are very few who deserve that amount of respect for their live time achievement in rock music.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2009 at 08:53 AM
^^^
yeah, that.

 

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