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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 10:34 AM
No need for arguing about Dickey this or Dickey that....the band as it exists today is Dickey free - good, bad or indifferent.

Check out the interview w Butch (great one at that) via this link:

http://classicrockrevisited.com/interviewbutchtrucks09.htm

Butch talks about everything Allman related (Duane, Moogis, Dickey, etc.) and quotes the following regarding Dickey:

Jeb: I love the way Dickie plays guitar. It sounds to me like you all grew up but Dickie did not so he had to go. When you go to replace an original member like Dickie Betts then that is a huge gamble with your career and credibility.

Butch: We knew that. At the time, it was either do that or put the whole thing up. I am not going to get into the reasons, or the blames, of why we had to do that. It had gotten to the point where we just could not continue with the way that it was--it just couldn't. It had reached a point to where it was all going to fall apart or he was going to have to change. It wasn't a question of if we were going to have to replace him. He was going to have to change his behavior and he refused to do it-that is what we told him. He talks about being fired but he was never fired. We told him to get some help and to get himself together and then we could get continue doing this. Rather than getting help, he got a lawyer and sued us. Once that was done then that kind of put the last nail in the coffin. It wasn't what we wanted. There was so much there, and so many shared experiences, but it just reached a point to where we couldn't continue on the way it was going. I couldn't continue playing with him. It just got very sick-that is a subject I would just as soon not talk about.

In light of the above, there should be no disappointment that Dickey was not part of last night. Quite frankly, without him the night was surreal - the band was focused, tight and borderline posessed.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 10:38 AM
Well they may have been focused,tight, and borderline possessed as you say. I didnt see it,had to work.
But to not acknowledge him and play his songs was a joke to me.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 10:44 AM
They did a HUGE, out-of-this-world Elizabeth Reed, there's the acknowledgement. But people are responsible for their own behavior, as is Dickey. The consequences are his own.
Also, he was invited and chose not to show. The band is perfect the way it is and TIGHT!!! Just MHO.....

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 10:46 AM
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But to not acknowledge him and play his songs was a joke to me.


One can say they acknowledged him by playing his songs.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 10:49 AM
I love it -- a post titled No More Dickey Talk, which consists of Butch talking about why they fired him -- nah, that's not stirring up the **** , right?

I thought it was going to say, he didn't show up last night so let's put the Dickey talk aside for awhile...obviously not

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 10:51 AM
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Well they may have been focused,tight, and borderline possessed as you say. I didnt see it,had to work.
But to not acknowledge him and play his songs was a joke to me.


What? They played IMOER and Revival. Both written by Dickey.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 10:57 AM
IT IS WHAT IT IS.

Man I am so sick and tired of all the Dickey threads. I love Dickey and see him when he comes around. Love his shows and I have never been to a bad show of his. I would have loved for the magic moment last night but its just not meant to be. We have the ABB and we have DBGS. Is it the way everyone would want it, probably not . But 40 yrs later to still be able to see these guys is just amazing to me. Instead of complaining about who plays what or blaming Butch, or whatever, lets take a step back, realize what we still have and be happy for that. Because at some point, all of this is gonna end. Life is short, be happy, support the ABB and Dickey and see them as much as you can. We are all very passionate fans and we like to discuss all things Allman. But this subject is just on overkill at this point. Nobody knows what all of them were dealing with, we were not there so anything anyone says about what it looks like from the outside is a shallow opinion based on limited facts. These guys lived it and made a decision. Its over, most of us dont like it, it was 9 yrs ago, we need to move on. I wish Dickey all the success, health and happiness the man can have and I wish the same for the ABB. I love them all and will see them both as much as I can.

Because one day they will not be coming around every yr. We are very lucky fans and we need to soak that up a littl emore instead of ranting every chance we get about things we cant control and things 99% of us were not involved in to properly dissect.

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 10:59 AM
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I love it -- a post titled No More Dickey Talk, which consists of Butch talking about why they fired him -- nah, that's not stirring up the **** , right?

I thought it was going to say, he didn't show up last night so let's put the Dickey talk aside for awhile...obviously not

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When I read the title to this thread, my reaction was “why would this poster think that they are the be-all and end-all on the subject of “Dickey Talk”. The subject has been beaten into the ground, and will continue to be. I don’t read most of it because it is all really pretty repetitive. That said, there is a little thing known as “Free Speech”, so if people want to post about it, that’s their right. Doesn’t mean you have to read it.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 11:00 AM
Well said peachhead

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 11:05 AM
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They did a HUGE, out-of-this-world Elizabeth Reed, there's the acknowledgement. But people are responsible for their own behavior, as is Dickey. The consequences are his own.
Also, he was invited and chose not to show. The band is perfect the way it is and TIGHT!!! Just MHO.....


Just more condescending BS intended to bring out nastiness, passing negative judgement on others, seemingly in the know (which btw you aren't) about the invitation thing -- weird -- on a different note the show must have been tremendous -- the MUSIC -- we all love the ABB --

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 11:16 AM
Nice read, thanks.

I noticed that someone erred in the spelling of Lamar Williams' name.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 11:25 AM
here, here, peachhead

looking forward to sat night AND looking forward to 5/11 in NYC

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 11:28 AM
This was to pay tribute to Duane and the 40th Aniversary. Dickey should have tended for those reasons alone. Don't have to like each other, but just play together for Duane. It just looks really bad on him for not showing up.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 11:45 AM
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This was to pay tribute to Duane and the 40th Aniversary. Dickey should have tended for those reasons alone. Don't have to like each other, but just play together for Duane. It just looks really bad on him for not showing up.


Total BS --
sorry for responding & keeping it alive -- yeah all on Dickey right? Especially after all those nice things Gregg & Butch have said about him over the years, right? -- but I understand -- a die hard loyal ABB fan agreeing by rote all that they say & keeping it rolling in the mud...
I'm a die hard loyal fan too -- of their Music -- not of all the mindless negativism -- I respond to it though, bad on my part...

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 12:02 PM
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In light of the above, there should be no disappointment that Dickey was not part of last night. Quite frankly, without him the night was surreal - the band was focused, tight and borderline posessed.



...as they play Dickey's songs all week long.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 12:20 PM
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This was to pay tribute to Duane and the 40th Aniversary. Dickey should have tended for those reasons alone. Don't have to like each other, but just play together for Duane. It just looks really bad on him for not showing up.


It was for the 7 current Allman Brothers Band members paying tribute. I don't really see why anyone would think Dickey would have shown up - unless it was truly to bury the hatchet and the stage isn't where 10 years of discord is going to be suddenly forgotten.

I'm fine with both bands as they are, it is up to those players to decide with whom they want to play, not fans, but what would Dickey have gained by flying into town to play with the band for one night? He's got his own band and I'm sure Duane is in his thoughts just as much as he is with the rest of the original members. Plus, the current members know just how much Dickey meant to the band and to them or else they would not still play his songs. These are personal issues between adults, and just because it happens to be an anniversary year for the band doesn't mean their feelings for each other are going to magically change.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 12:37 PM
Wow Thibs, thanks for the great read!
 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 12:40 PM
How about this Dickie(s). (Actually saw them a couple of times way back when and their shows were fun.)



They did a pretty good version of this. I'll bet they'd do a great Liz Reed. Probably Ramblin' Man too!



Rock On gang! The Road Goes On Forever! Time to go play my Strat.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 12:45 PM
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In light of the above, there should be no disappointment that Dickey was not part of last night. Quite frankly, without him the night was surreal - the band was focused, tight and borderline posessed.



Thibs... just to clarify are the above words yours or Butch's?

Some other points... Duane Betts has stated that his father never recieved an invitation. period. Is Butch under the impression that posting something on the web is an invite... come on!!!!

I made the decision to purchase the Moogis Subscription after reading Butch's words that an invitation was made... people purchased tickets to shows that had Dickey listed as a special guest... I think we got screwed....

Yes they played some of his songs but failed to mention his name a single time... how hard would it be for Gregg or Warren to simply say this next tune was written by a former Brother etc... I read alot of posts in the past few days saying "man Warren or Derek really own that song" NO Dickey owns them Literally & Figuratively... he wrote them...

I honestly think this run at the Beacon was more about them & making a buck than honoring Duane & the 40 years of history.... I don't think anyone of the seven on stage even utterred Duane's name, or Berry's/Lamar/Woody's... Chuck Leavall/Toler Brothers/Jack Pearson etc... all of those guys made significant contributions to this band over the past 4 decades....

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 12:53 PM
"I made the decision to purchase the Moogis Subscription after reading Butch's words that an invitation was made... people purchased tickets to shows that had Dickey listed as a special guest... I think we got screwed...."




An invitation might have been made, who knows? You made your purchase on the assumption that someone who wasn't advertised to be there would be there. That's a risk you took on your own and should have nobody to blame but yourself for that decision.

Tickets went on sale long before a list was circulated. Plus, the band or anyone from the bands management never released a list or names.

The tickets nor where you purchased the tickets from had Dickey's name on there.

Nobody who purchased a ticket or Moogis got screwed, all either promised was to see the Allman Brothers Band perform, nothing more, nothing less.

I'm a fan of Dickey's and would have loved to see him on stage with everyone else again, but it didn't happen. Nobody knows the true story as to why it didn't happen, but the pro-Betts side says he wasn't invited, the pro-ABB said says he was. Nobody knows for sure what happened, but to say you were screwed by assumptions you made would only mean you screwed yourself by making the assumptions.

[Edited on 3/27/2009 by WarEagleRK]

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 12:56 PM
"people purchased tickets to shows that had Dickey listed as a special guest... I think we got screwed...."

And I think you're living in cuckoo land.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 01:00 PM
those were my words about how great they were last night.

to clarify/expand - I do not take any of it personally because it doesn't involve me - I am a fan of the current lineup, a fan of dickey and of the music they have put out for 40 years.

by saying "no more dickey talk" i am not referring to threads about dickey but of the constant bickering or mentioining of the subject on the play-by-play threads. my point is - lets celebrate the magic that is taking place at the beacon this month without getting letting a split of 8 years ago get in the way.

i thought the interview with butch was a fantastic read so I wanted to share that with you all....the pasting of butch's comments about dickey was just to illustrate that it ain't gonna happen (reunion) anytime soon

good/bad/indifferent - it is what it is and we are being downright spoiled by an incredible run of music.

in answer to a question in the song Revival - yes, I feel it.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 01:13 PM
C'mon now children. When will you learn to leave your Dickey alone? You're going to grow hair on your palms with all of this Dickey beating you are doing. Give it a rest!

Let me see- what other worn out cliche'd response can I insert here? I can't think of one off of the top of my head. So let me go back through the hundreds (thousands?) of previous Dickey threads and posts to find some. I'm sure you all will be talking about the same bull$hit when I come back. Funny thing is there are about ten other threads with the same exact discussion on page one throughout the forum. Thanks for that.



 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 01:23 PM
A thousand pardons, oh almighty and all-knowing Stephen. I'm not trying to start anything negative nor be mean....just said that we're all responsible for the consequences of our behavior. Maybe I know, maybe not...you wouldn't know that about me. Just because I'm not a Supreme Peachhead only means that I don't spend a lot of time on my computer. I've been a "peachhead" since 1970, that's long enough to know a little.
get over yourself.

 

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  posted on 3/27/2009 at 01:30 PM

Nobody but the band and Dickey knows what REALLY caused the
Dickey fallout from the band. But if I had to quess........It must have
been some real Heavy S**t.
Gregg, Dickey, Butch and Jaimoe had a long and legendary relationship.
For those 3 to turn there back on Dickey.............must mean some
Heavy S**t.
Even Warren had a history with Dickey. Playing in the Dickey Betts Band.
And obviously Warren didn't want him back either.
Before I really start to ramble on...........Let me say that I love Dickey's music.
Would love to hear the ABB play "Seven Turns", "Blue Sky" etc. with Dickey singing.
But I think last night proved...........That it's really over! And I'm sure that Duane is
looking down and not smilin' about it.
Anyway, Maybe this thread should be titled No More Dickey Playin With The ABB Talk.
Just My Opinion.

 

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