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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 11:09 AM
...this many people hated Sheryl Crow. Sheesh!

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 11:11 AM
Not hate, just ambivalence here, to the extreme though.
 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 11:12 AM
Like having a pet snake. Unconditional indifference.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 11:17 AM
I'm not really a fan either, wife has most of her CDs, just taken aback a bit by the rancor...que sera sera...

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 11:18 AM
Not a fan, but don't have Moogis, so I don't know whether she was any good last night or not. Most of her songs seem so monotone to me.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 11:19 AM
I am not a hater of Sheryl Crow. Not a huge fan of her music like I am with some other artists (like ABB ) but not a hater (like I am with most RAP). I thought she did a good job last night - especially on Can't Find My Way...

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 12:12 PM
I like Sheryl Crow. She's a good singer. Overplay has hurt her as it has hurt so many. Her songs are mostly very good and her vocal talent is high. We should be happy we have some female singers doing rock music instead of just disco pop.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 12:43 PM
All though I love what bands like the ABB and Grateful Dead and Widespread etc. do , I grew up on The Beatles and Radio of late 60's early 70's so I've always had a place for a good hook or chourus , so I've been a fan of Sheryl's since hearing the infectious hook of "All I Wanna Do" ( from what I recall , I remember Sheryl saying in an interview that this was a throw away song on her debut , no one thought anything of the song and were stunned when it became a hit ) Seems to me some are bashing her because she writes radio friendly songs , ( key to that sentence is "SHE WRITES " ) has a nice voice ( she's performed with Pavrotti ! ) and plays Guitar , Bass & keyboards. In short I think she's done enough over her career to be considered an accomplished musician. I find it unusual that some on this board seem to be questioning her musicianship and or ability. She's a lot more honest musician than too many of today's pop-tarts.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 12:46 PM
She is ok by me........looked a little skinny.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 12:54 PM
OK, I was glad to see this thread because before I saw it, I didn't want to say anything negative about Sheryl Crow. I try to only post positive stuff.

However, I have never been a big fan of her either. She may be very talented, but there is something so "sell out" about her. She seems to show up at every event and festival. It's like, oh no, HER again.



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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 01:42 PM
Just watched the video from last night- she sounds fine to me,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I49UbnIfmZo

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 02:12 PM
not hate, more like .......why???
 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 02:28 PM
I am a fan of her.. and I thought she was fantastic last night


Oh, and she sang good too

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 02:33 PM
no hate here--i like some of her songs,but loathe her lousy band she was ok last nite,but she's not a great guest imho...
 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 02:40 PM
There's nothing wrong with Cheryl Crow at all . I'm a casual fan of her music ... casual in the sense I won't change the station when I hear her , and I've never bought any of her albums . I haven't read any of the anti-Crow posts , but isn't the "She slept her way to the top." card played most of the time when a female in show business is criticized ?

With that said , I'll continue my rant from other discussions . Can't the band just abandon this whole premise of having guests who were somehow connected to Duane Allman ? The Beacon run is now a giant "Warren Haynes & Friends" show .

I believe it's safe to say D.A. would hear none of sharing the stage with the likes of Kid Rock . I know this hasn't taken place yet , but the suggestion of it is bad enough . I almost pulled the trigger and forked out the dough for Moogis , but opted not to . Frankly , the only regret I'll have for not doing so is if Dickey Betts shows up . Be honest , you're all hoping for the same thing no matter how much it's downplayed . THAT would be an Allmans show .

I fully realize I'm in the minority making these types of statements , but that couldn't matter any less to me . If you're into the ABB being watered-down with pop artists joining them , enjoy yourself at the Beacon .




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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 02:50 PM
Just a fun fact: Crow started out as a backup singer for Michael Jackson.
 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 02:56 PM
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OK, I was glad to see this thread because before I saw it, I didn't want to say anything negative about Sheryl Crow. I try to only post positive stuff.

However, I have never been a big fan of her either. She may be very talented, but there is something so "sell out" about her. She seems to show up at every event and festival. It's like, oh no, HER again.



[Edited on 3/18/2009 by peachflower]


I am not a huge fan of Sheryl Crow, but I do think she is extremely talented. I haven't watched last night yet... So I have no opinion (although I've heard her sit in before). I was a little surprised how much negative talk was happening myself.

Peachflower, I quoted your post, which I feel is worded very nicely and upbeat and positive, so I'm not trying to pick on it or anything... But I do have a question aimed at anyone and everyone...

What does it mean to people when they don't like music or musicians because they think they "sell out"?

I ask this because when I was younger I used to use that term all the time. But I realized that it was almost always used to mention a change within an artist that seemed to be due to extreme popularity. BUT the reality is that those artists would've changed anyway...

Here is the other thing that confuses me about why this term is always associated so negatively... The financial side of things. People will say "they did that just to make money". Well, as a musician myself who is releasing an album this month, I want to be paid something! Not because I'm greedy, but it cost me A LOT of money to do that album. And because if I want to keep making music I need more money. I need support from my fans, or I need someone to lisence one of my songs and put it in something that will not only reach people who will enjoy the song, but also pay me to do more songs! LOL.

The industry has changed A LOT and this alone makes me want to judge personalities less and just listen to a song and judge it on how it makes me feel.

So what about everyone else? What constitutes "selling out"? Why does it bother you? What should those artists do instead?

Thanks,
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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 02:59 PM
I have a 1996 interview with the ABB (Rockline with Bob Coburn) on tape and during
the interview they express their admiration for Sheryl Crow.

The Very Best of Sheryl Crow CD/DVD is a fine overview of her career.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 03:07 PM
OK, as a guy, I think she is babelicious. As a bass player, she is totally hot wearing and playing a bass. I like her. SCHWING!

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 03:22 PM
BDOB, as usual hit it on the HEAD. God, I'm a sexist pig sometimes FWIW, I think she's talented.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 03:24 PM
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...this many people hated Sheryl Crow. Sheesh!


agreed,I mentioned this in another thread earlier today.I was surprised by that last night.I like her music,myself.She's from a sm. town in Mo. about an hr. away from me...We're very proud of her & what she's accomplished around here.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 03:31 PM
Not a big fan. But it was alright.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 03:39 PM
There is NOTHING wrong with having talent AND having sex appeal. Men and women, both, have used their God given talents that way for eons.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2009 at 03:49 PM
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OK, I was glad to see this thread because before I saw it, I didn't want to say anything negative about Sheryl Crow. I try to only post positive stuff.

However, I have never been a big fan of her either. She may be very talented, but there is something so "sell out" about her. She seems to show up at every event and festival. It's like, oh no, HER again.



[Edited on 3/18/2009 by peachflower]


I am not a huge fan of Sheryl Crow, but I do think she is extremely talented. I haven't watched last night yet... So I have no opinion (although I've heard her sit in before). I was a little surprised how much negative talk was happening myself.

Peachflower, I quoted your post, which I feel is worded very nicely and upbeat and positive, so I'm not trying to pick on it or anything... But I do have a question aimed at anyone and everyone...

What does it mean to people when they don't like music or musicians because they think they "sell out"?

I ask this because when I was younger I used to use that term all the time. But I realized that it was almost always used to mention a change within an artist that seemed to be due to extreme popularity. BUT the reality is that those artists would've changed anyway...

Here is the other thing that confuses me about why this term is always associated so negatively... The financial side of things. People will say "they did that just to make money". Well, as a musician myself who is releasing an album this month, I want to be paid something! Not because I'm greedy, but it cost me A LOT of money to do that album. And because if I want to keep making music I need more money. I need support from my fans, or I need someone to lisence one of my songs and put it in something that will not only reach people who will enjoy the song, but also pay me to do more songs! LOL.

The industry has changed A LOT and this alone makes me want to judge personalities less and just listen to a song and judge it on how it makes me feel.

So what about everyone else? What constitutes "selling out"? Why does it bother you? What should those artists do instead?

Thanks,
Paul.




Like I said, she is very talented, and I don’t hate her at all – I’m just sick of her I guess. She does work very hard, much to her credit, and she does a big variety of stuff – a hard worker – from jingles for commercials to backup singing, whatever.

But 2 of her Grammy-winning songs were both rip-offs. I mean, how do you win a Grammy for a cover song? (Cat Stevens cover of "First Cut is the Deepest") And then there is this, which I had to search for online to find the poet's name, so I just cut & pasted it:

"Looking for inspiration, her producer went across the street to a bookstore. He randomly selected ten books of poetry and bought them for Crow, who holed up in the bathroom with the books. She was drawn to Wyn Cooper’s poem “Fun” in his collection, The Country of Here Below, which was published by Ahsahta Press in 1987. Crow changed some phrases, deleted a few lines, and added a refrain, and a song was born. “All I Wanna Do” became a number-one single, Crow’s album went platinum, and Cooper began receiving royalty checks—unimaginable rewards for a poem he wrote ten years ago."

So, songwriter, you say? OK, but not all her songs are original. Still, a great talent, and I don't want to be a basher. No time to hate.

Edited to say, P.S. I also am jealous because the guys think she's so pretty. Would she be a big star if she was a dog? just sayin'....

[Edited on 3/18/2009 by peachflower]

 

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Edited to say, P.S. I also am jealous because the guys think she's so pretty. Would she be a big star if she was a dog? just sayin'....



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