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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 11:30 AM
I am loving every second of Moogis!I remember reading an interview with Butch stating that if Moogis is a success meaning financially it will be an ongoing thing.I hope and pray that it is so we can get these Beacon shows every year!

 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 11:32 AM
Warren, I am with you ... loving Moogis!!!! What a treat this has been for all of us! Really hope that this vision which we are realizing was so right on lives and grows!

 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 11:41 AM
I think Butch said when asked recently the number of subscribers, "not nearly enough."

Please consider supporting this now, if you have not already. The future possibilities of this are incredible. What if next year, you want to have the live streams, and they are not there?

 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 11:55 AM
GET THE WORD OUT THERE ON THIS!

Most fans of a particular age are too busy to follow music on a close basis unlike the fanatics that are here. So the key is getting the gospel out there on other like minded lists.

I've been hyping these shows/links on a Neil Young fan page, and have gotten around 8,9 posts asking me where this footage comes from, and how they can acquire it.

SO GET THE WORD OUT THERE BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

As for the numbers on Moogis, I think its pretty easy to get a ballpark figure. Take the # of subscribers using the chat (1,700) multiply that times an avererage subscription fee (say $115) and the number is...... $200,000. So there it is.

Now obviously if this is NOT making money, Butch and Moogis could re-coup, with Beacon Box sales, individual show sales, and a compilation DVD. So there is more than one way to skin this cat.

But personally, I think the Moogis concept is awesome, we just need to make more folks aware of this, and hopefully Moogis can ride out these tough economic times, find some financial backers, and start to grow. As a music fan, I think it really deserves it, but thats my opinion.

 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 12:01 PM
I would promote the hell out of it with a shirt
 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 12:07 PM
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I would promote the hell out of it with a shirt


The shirts are coming, per the Moogis forums. Red, black and blue, 2 designs, currently undetermined.

Efus, you may be overstating the subscribers by using the 1700 free forum users. Seems there's a good number of people w/o the subscription on there.

 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 01:56 PM
Brock- so I assume your saying you can sign up for the Moogis chat forums w/o actually getting a subscription to the service? hmmm, interesting....
 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 01:59 PM
The forums are free, so anyone can sign up for that.

Butch apparently wants it to be a social networking site as well, but I'm not sure that will work out the way he has it planned.

[Edited on 3/15/2009 by WarEagleRK]

 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 02:40 PM
RK- as with any new venture, they've got to peak and tweak these things as they come up for sure.
But the video and audio both are tremendous. The technical glitches are few. So thats great

Hopefully it'll have a bit of staying power, and they'll keep working on it.

[Edited on 3/15/2009 by Efus]

 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 02:53 PM
Perhaps the band should release a feature song every night to help spread the word. I'm sure several people are skeptical about the quality of the stream, even though all the reviews are overwhelmingly positive. If the band took one highlight per show and put those up for free on the site, maybe that would help get people to subscribe.
 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 04:28 PM
Moogis is awesome. Just hope it gets off the ground b/c all the glitches will go away once it has the proper financial backing. It might require another band too. The Brothers are awesome but not widely followed. Be cool to get a few Dead, Phish, and Black Crows shows on board as teasers for non-ABB fans

 

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  posted on 3/15/2009 at 10:16 PM
I have not subscribed yet, but will in a couple weeks. I know I am missing alot of action now as it is happening, but I will be attending several shows beginning 3/19 and I kind of want those live experiences to be my first tastes of the 2009 shows. Then when I get back I'll probably watch the remaining shows live and the others after that. If I had actually bought and paid for the subscription there is just no way I could have kept from logging on and watching shows. I have pretty strong will power, but not that strong.
 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 07:45 AM
Unfortunately many of us haven't the capacity to appreciate Moogis as we don't have the high speed internet connection necessary to view the content. It's a problem many internet based start ups will continue to face until the country invests the money and time into bringing high speed connections to the masses. I don't k now the exact figures, but the United States lags far behind many other developed countries in the world in this area. It's almost comparable to our national electrical grid. Both are third world compared with other nations. It's a shame that we haven't invested more in our infrastructure, broadband included!
 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 08:23 AM
Chain makes a very valid point about access. I think the other stumbling block may be the "all or nothing" pricing. If they can come up with a "pay as you go" system that might get more people in who may balk at the $125 up front price. A friend sent me the info below...I haven't used iClips myself and from what my friend described the quality might not be as good as what we've been seeing on moogis, but the concept of being able to buy in on a pay-per-show basis, with a price break if you buy them all at once as an incentive to get the entire package, might help get better market penetration. Not saying it should to be exactly like how iClips does it, just that I think the tiered concept is a good idea...

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Tea Leaf Green and iClips.net are excited to announce a 3 show pay-per-view broadcast series beginning March 6th. For $5 per show, fans will be able to stream Tea Leaf Greenís performances live from:

Park West - Chicago, Illinois (3/5)
Due to technical circumstances, the Park West performance will not be broadcast live. Instead it will be available on-Demand Friday (3/6) evening. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Canopy Club - Urbana, Illinois (3/11)
The Blue Note - Columbia, Missouri (3/14)

Fans can save money by purchasing all 3 shows for $12. These shows will be archived shortly after the date of performance and will be available for viewing for 1 month after they are archived with an access code granted upon purchase.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 10:47 AM
i'd be all over it, but cannot get a sufficient connection speed where i live (rural area).

 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 10:52 AM
MOOOOGIS ... MOOOOOGIS ... MOOOOGIS!
Singing the praises of this wonderful step up in technology that has been taken to allow this series of Beacon shows to be enjoyed from afar. Hope to see it grow and become a standard for music sharing.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 11:07 AM
Lets do the math. The number of users on this website who love the ABB and are computer savy enough to join the message board etc. is approx 15,000.

Lets assume every single one of us signed up for Moogis. Yes I know this is a huge stretch, but lets just see. 15,000 x $125 subscription fee = $1,875,000.

Thats less than $2million if everyone on here signed up. Gotta pay for the technology, cameramen, website etc.

Now lets say 3,000 people signed up. Probably more realistic as it was mentioned earlier that over 2,000 had signed up. Thats revenue of about $375,000.

I just cant see it turning a profit in the near term.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 11:14 AM
You know what they say about assumptions.

I bet they haven't broken even yet.

Anyway, this is what I wrote about Moogis on the Philzone.

Moogis is the best deal in musical history. You still have 2 good weeks of Allman streams coming up. The first week was just a warm up. If I was you I would hunker down and give the money up. You will feel it was totally worth it. After you see the first week at your leasure, you can look at at least another 14 - 16 shows and listen to another 30 more. And that is in addition to the stream live as it is happening show at the Beacon theatre in NYC.

It is totally worth every penny.

I have tickets for a bunch of shows and I still bought the membership. I even spammed the board here at the beginning to tell you guys about it because it was an even bigger deal at 125 the first price. Now it is 150 I believe. Still a great deal. your subscription goes till September. Moogis is totally worth every penny.

 

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You know what they say about assumptions.

I bet they haven't broken even yet.

Anyway, this is what I wrote about Moogis on the Philzone.

Moogis is the best deal in musical history. You still have 2 good weeks of Allman streams coming up. The first week was just a warm up. If I was you I would hunker down and give the money up. You will feel it was totally worth it. After you see the first week at your leasure, you can look at at least another 14 - 16 shows and listen to another 30 more. And that is in addition to the stream live as it is happening show at the Beacon theatre in NYC.

It is totally worth every penny.

I have tickets for a bunch of shows and I still bought the membership. I even spammed the board here at the beginning to tell you guys about it because it was an even bigger deal at 125 the first price. Now it is 150 I believe. Still a great deal. your subscription goes till September. Moogis is totally worth every penny.




i never said it wasnt worth it. Im a happy subscriber and huge advocate, but i just dont see it making money, yet.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 11:45 AM
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Now it is 150 I believe. Still a great deal. your subscription goes till September. Moogis is totally worth every penny.



still $125 as of Sat

 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 12:05 PM
I *think* it was $100 early on and at some point it went to $125 (which is what it still is as I type, and I see no notice that it will be going up again).

Even at $125 it still works out to roughly $8.30 for each of the 15 live feeds of the Beacon shows (still 10 left if you missed the first 5...so call it $12.50 per), plus you get "on demand" access to these and many other ABB shows (between 15 and 20 or so video&audio, lots more audio only) going as far back as 2001 for another six months. As I said above, I do think they could make more money overall if they figured out a tiered way to charge rather than all-or-nothing, but as we say here in Maine it's still a wicked good deal.


[Edited on 3/16/2009 by gondicar]

 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 01:24 PM
I probably shouldn't say this out loud, but what the heck ( this site probably consists of good chunk of Butch's market research anyway ):

I would pay double, even triple the $125.... that's how much joy and pleasure it has brought me thus far

 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 01:32 PM
I have wasted plenty of money on junk throughout my life but the $100 I spent here was absolutely NOT wasted. Moogis has been such a treat this March and I only hope that this is just a taste of what the future holds for live musical performance.



[Edited on 3/16/2009 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 01:37 PM
Deb, I don't think you meant to say your $ was wasted. Edit please!

I'm buying a tshirt because I got in at the $100 level, and I feel guilty!

 

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  posted on 3/16/2009 at 01:58 PM
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I think Butch said when asked recently the number of subscribers, "not nearly enough."

Please consider supporting this now, if you have not already. The future possibilities of this are incredible. What if next year, you want to have the live streams, and they are not there?

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I have a hard time imagining any/many from outside of the website have subscribed to moogis. I think even the name (cute but meaningless to most) is a detriment to people outside of the website since we here get to hear others talking about it both before it happened and now with the rave reviews from everyone. So, I can see more website people picking it up after seeing all the wonderful reviews (I can't believe how good it is) and knowing the subscription is good for 6 months. Maybe a few of the guests who come here during the Beacon run will read and get a sub (if there is any way in the world you can pay the $125 ie go in with partners etc., you would be crazy not to get it), but I still am not 'seeing' how other people will know. I think even full page ads on HTN is preacing to the choir.
So, I hope for Moogis and Butch's sake, we all tell everyone we know who are music fans and tell them exactly how wonderful moogis is and help it grow.

 

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