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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:05 AM
It's always a letdown to me when I find out that a classic live album was actually doctored in the recording studio. You think that everything was recorded from the concert stage but it turns out that guitar parts were re-recorded, vocals were added, synthesizers that were not present at the concert were added on later.

Also other problems: heavily edited songs and several versions of a song from different dates strung together (such as "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" from Fillmore East).

I am trying to complile a list of the notoriously overdubbed live albums that are actually products of the studio. Also some comments about how much of the album was doctored and how much was genuine?

[Edited on 3/12/2009 by BarrySmith]

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:09 AM
Little Feat's Waiting For Columbus live album has overdubs according to the liner notes, Ritchie overdubbed his drumming on a track and Lowell overdubbed his leads on some.

And one other I just though of that bugs me, Bill Withers' live album had the strings all added in the studio, as good as that album is, it would have sounded so much better without the strings.

[Edited on 3/12/2009 by Wayne]

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:29 AM
Thin Lizzy's "Live and Dangerous"
Judas Priest "Unleashed in the East"
Led Zeppelin "The Song Remains the Same" (lots of tampering but using live material)
Led Zeppelin "How the West Was Won" (as above)
Aerosmith "A Little South of Sanity"
Genesis "Archive: 1967 - 1975" (The Lamb show has redone vocals and guitar work)

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:31 AM
Frampton's was one of the most notorious. Europe72 by the Dead had some shenanigans.....

I heard ABB's Fillmore East was really done in a barn with a bunch of Reddogs friends as the audience....

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:32 AM
It might be harder to find a live album that has NOT had work done, honestly.

I have been told that two of the 1970s most popular live albums, Frampton Comes Alive and Kiss Alive, had a ton of overdubs.

The Genesis Archive 1967-1975 overdubbing is really horrible. The problem is that you get Peter Gabriel with his much older voice and Steve Hackett with what sounds like a very different guitar set-up just dropped into the mix of a 1973-1975 recording. It is a blatant mis-match. Not cool. I would add that I think it is unnecessary also; they sounded FINE live back then, as the boots show....

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:33 AM
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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:34 AM
Stevie Ray Vaughans "Soul to Soul" had lots of overdubs too, according to Stevie....

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:35 AM
I've read that Robbie Robertson overdubbed his parts on the Last Waltz.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:40 AM
Yeah, far too many have been boogered with. Neil Young has some really obvious ones.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:41 AM
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Stevie Ray Vaughans "Soul to Soul" had lots of overdubs too, according to Stevie....


Soul to Soul wasn't a live album.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 10:07 AM
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Stevie Ray Vaughans "Soul to Soul" had lots of overdubs too, according to Stevie....


Soul to Soul wasn't a live album.


They probably meant to say "Live Alive," which was also heavily overdubbed.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 10:23 AM
I've heard that Skynyrd's "One More From the Road" was over-dubbed. At least Allen Collins' guitar solos.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 10:41 AM
There's an old saying with live albums before the Allmans' Fillmore Album: "the only thing live is the crowd".

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I've read that Robbie Robertson overdubbed his parts on the Last Waltz.


I read that, too. Levon Helm mentions that in his book, but with all of the guests and the band scattering after the concert, I can't imagine there were too many additional overdubs other than Robbie. Didn't I read that Dickey's RnR Hall of Fame show was heavily overdubbed?

To be fair, sometimes things just don't get picked up, or get picked up unevenly, in the concert and you have to in order to make it a decent release. Just listen to the varying quality of the instant live albums, which are usually very good, but occasionally lose the fidelity of a track or visa versa.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 10:47 AM
If you listen closely to Grand Funk - Live Album, you hear the same audience noise in nearly every track. I don't know how much dubbing was done to the music, but the audience was definitely dubbed!

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 10:56 AM
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There's an old saying with live albums before the Allmans' Fillmore Album: "the only thing live is the crowd".

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I've read that Robbie Robertson overdubbed his parts on the Last Waltz.


I read that, too. Levon Helm mentions that in his book, but with all of the guests and the band scattering after the concert, I can't imagine there were too many additional overdubs other than Robbie. Didn't I read that Dickey's RnR Hall of Fame show was heavily overdubbed?

To be fair, sometimes things just don't get picked up, or get picked up unevenly, in the concert and you have to in order to make it a decent release. Just listen to the varying quality of the instant live albums, which are usually very good, but occasionally lose the fidelity of a track or visa versa.


Both Levon and producer John Simon said only the drums for the Band were live.
Everyone else overdubbed their instruments and vocals.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 11:06 AM
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If you listen closely to Grand Funk - Live Album, you hear the same audience noise in nearly every track. I don't know how much dubbing was done to the music, but the audience was definitely dubbed!


Iím envisioning a studio album with a music version of a sitcom laugh track. As for SRVís Live Alive, that is one of the most disappointing live commercial releases I have ever heard of a band that I really like. I have at least a dozen soundboards or FM broadcast shows of Stevie Ray that are much better than that train wreck. I finally picked it up in a used CD bin a few years ago for two dollars. I had not heard it since it first came out on vinyl way back when. Over dubbed and hurried to get out. That was too bad.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 11:11 AM
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It's always a letdown to me when I find out that a classic live album was actually doctored in the recording studio. You think that everything was recorded from the concert stage but it turns out that guitar parts were re-recorded, vocals were added, synthesizers that were not present at the concert were added on later.

Also other problems: heavily edited songs and several versions of a song from different dates strung together (such as "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" from Fillmore East).

I am trying to complile a list of the notoriously overdubbed live albums that are actually products of the studio. Also some comments about how much of the album was doctored and how much was genuine?

[Edited on 3/12/2009 by BarrySmith]


Almost any live album (or video release) by anyone that isn't some sortof archival release. Seriously. I think it would be easier to say which one's have very little studio tampering.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 11:11 AM
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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:16 PM
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I've read that Robbie Robertson overdubbed his parts on the Last Waltz.



The untampered tapes of that night reveal more Robbie clams than seafood night at Ivor's....

Crosby Steals the Cash's "4 Way Street" too is an overdub fest...

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:25 PM
Get Yer Ya Ya's Out is another one!

Supposedly Made in Japan has no overdubs?

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:35 PM
That's what's so great about Mule Tracks. No overdubbing. Just the real thing. Instant Live too obviously. The days of working with a net may be over.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:36 PM
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Say it aint so Neil!

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:40 PM
Stormy Monday alwyas comes to mind, one with a harmonica one without

The worst in history - Hank Williams jR. Live even the crowd is added, there is some one whistling the same whistle in between songs about every 5-7 seconds once you hear it you will not listen to the cd anymore, it is all you hear - Some made a good descision and never listened.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:44 PM
I am going to say that this was dubbed:

Cheap Trick - Live at Budokan

I love Aint that a Shame from this album though. Bun E Carlos rocks.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 01:14 PM
Van Halen's "Live Right Here Right Now" CD-set features a supposedly live version of "Won't Get Fooled Again" by the Who - a song that never appeared on any VH setlist, and 2 studio versions have been leaked on bootlegs, one of which is identical to the version on the live record, sans the crowd noise. Hmmm.

 

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