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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 11:56 AM
by luck and chance, i got to see last nights show from 17th row orchestra. my review:

i loved opening night.

however, opening night jitters/sea legs were saved for night number 2.

gregg looks and sounds fantastic! but man, he messed up on almost every song he song. he came in too early on the first song, AWTNM, and the giggles on stage started. oteil was smilin with derek and they probably thought that was it for the night. gregg then botched Done Somebody Wrong intro and the whole band was confused.

DKMW was strange with Los Lobos. The vocals were messed up by their singer who missed his first verse and Gregg had to help him out. their tone also did not cut through the rest of the band. and there was no need to bring them out again for OWO.

there were some really tight jams as well and overall, a decent show. i'd give it a 6.5 out of 10, but i'm used to 9s and 10s from them at the beacon.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 12:10 PM
Sadly, I agree. You don't get too many turds at the Beacon....but this was one of 'em.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 12:15 PM
What up sully!

I can look past the vocal miscues. They weren't egregious and those things are bound to happen to a band just getting back on stage. "Ain't Wasting Time" I barely noticed, I was way too happy to hear the tune. On "Done Somebody Wrong" it looked like Gregg was planning to start playing a different song as he had turned around to the B3 when the band launched into it, so it's not like he forgot the lyrics. Gregg may have missed one or two cues, but I have rarely heard him sound so good.

A lot of great magic can happen when guests show up at the Beacon, it's what's so unique and wonderful about it. Occasionally something will go slightly wrong when musical strangers meet, even seasoned professionals, so I was able to look past Gregg graciously giving up the mike, even if it wasn't a smooth hand off. You've got to accept the happy accidents with the ones that don't go so right. I thought the mixed up tempo on "Highway 61" was much the big miscue of the night - Johnny plays that one fast and dirty and had to slow down a bit for the Allmans' slinky tempo. It didn't go well.

I didn't think the show was great, they never took it into the next gear, but it was still a fine show. For me, it never topped the opening number.

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 12:35 PM
I appreciate the honest reviews. No band is on every night and get bored with fans who think their idles are nothing less than perfect.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 12:36 PM
I would have to agree that last night was not their best performance. 1st set was not good. It seemed Johnny Winter guitar's sound was not good and he always seems to take control of the guitar parts. I felt Warren and Derek were just spectators. 2nd set was better. I thought the Les Bres in a Minor was great and Warren's solo on Melissa was fabulous. I enjoyed the Los Lobos guys. I wish David Hidaglo would have sang more. The verse he did sing of Don't Keep Me Wondering was very good. The other guy from Los Lobos guitar was off during his solo but I thought he was very good during the encore of the Jam/One way out. First night I would give an A- and last night a B-.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 12:47 PM
I have to disagree. I was there and thought the show smoked. Yes Gregg messed up a number of cues, particularly on One Way Out when he zoned out and started singing like 3 minutes too early. But overall the show totally delivered. I particularly thought Warren was on fire and from my seat I could really hear Gregg's organ playing for like the first time. It is true that the band never got it together on Highway 61. I think part of the problem is that Johnny was sitting facing forward and can't see anyway so it is not really possible for him to take visual cues. The band had obviously not rehearsed it and the way the ABB has played it is slightly different than the way Johnny typically plays it. I could see that the tempo was completely messed up on the first verse. But I could also see Warren directing the entire band to get them back into line with what Johnny was doing.

I thought AWTNM was unreal. It was the best Wasted Words I have ever heard. I liked the guys from Los Lobos. They are great players and those are the kinds of guests I like and I like it when they sit in on ABB jams.

In any event while there were some mess ups these guys play without a net and I think you just have to laugh and move on. In my opinion this was a smokin show, one of my favorite Beacon shows of the past 3 or 4 years.

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 12:54 PM
Gregg is getting older, is what it is, I like to focus on the jams

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 12:54 PM
I agree with you on most counts... the show was very good, but lots of rough spots. To me the energy started high, then got higher during Red House, but then something happened during Highway 61. I have seen the Allmans do their version (loved it) and have seen Johnny do his recently- I watched him in awe.

I don't know about Johnny's hearing, but he is almost blind, so it's impossible for hime to get cues from Derek or Warren while he is on stage- at one point, Derek went over to tap him on the shoulder to let him know to take a solo. There's not much to do about that.

That said, Derek and Warren have been in top form on both nights. I have not seen either play with such fire in a very long time.

I set the bar pretty high when I judge Allman shows, so I don;t mean to imply this was not a rocking show and a better one than almost any other band could put on. But not as good as they can play. This is early in the run, and I don't anticipate anything less than a steamroller by the time 3/28 rolls around.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 01:02 PM
The mess up in One Way Out was the one that really jumped out at me. Other than that I think the show was a really good show. Nowhere near their best, but still far better than what 95% of other bands can do on their best night.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 01:21 PM
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by luck and chance, i got to see last nights show from 17th row orchestra. my review:

i loved opening night.


there were some really tight jams as well and overall, a decent show. i'd give it a 6.5 out of 10, but i'm used to 9s and 10s from them at the beacon.


I wasnt there last night, but i loved opening night. Just curious-- what score would you give opening night?

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 01:25 PM
I liked Wasted Words, Gregg is playing the B3 riff that he played on Goodtime Feeling, on the new arrangement. Listened to AWTNM this morning, Gregg does come in early on the vocals, but it's a very solid version.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 01:27 PM
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I liked Wasted Words, Gregg is playing the B3 riff that he played on Goodtime Feeling, on the new arrangement. Listened to AWTNM this morning, Gregg does come in early on the vocals, but it's a very solid version.


Isn't " Goodtime Feeling" an old Dickey Betts & GS song?

 

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I liked Wasted Words, Gregg is playing the B3 riff that he played on Goodtime Feeling, on the new arrangement. Listened to AWTNM this morning, Gregg does come in early on the vocals, but it's a very solid version.


Isn't " Goodtime Feeling" an old Dickey Betts & GS song?


I think he means "Sweet Feeling". I noticed that riff too. Gregg looked like he thought Johnny was going to take a verse in YDLM. He was laughing when he messed up OWO. It's all in good fun anyway, take it for what it is.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 01:40 PM
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I have to disagree. I was there and thought the show smoked. Yes Gregg messed up a number of cues, particularly on One Way Out when he zoned out and started singing like 3 minutes too early. But overall the show totally delivered. I particularly thought Warren was on fire and from my seat I could really hear Gregg's organ playing for like the first time. It is true that the band never got it together on Highway 61. I think part of the problem is that Johnny was sitting facing forward and can't see anyway so it is not really possible for him to take visual cues. The band had obviously not rehearsed it and the way the ABB has played it is slightly different than the way Johnny typically plays it. I could see that the tempo was completely messed up on the first verse. But I could also see Warren directing the entire band to get them back into line with what Johnny was doing.

I thought AWTNM was unreal. It was the best Wasted Words I have ever heard. I liked the guys from Los Lobos. They are great players and those are the kinds of guests I like and I like it when they sit in on ABB jams.

In any event while there were some mess ups these guys play without a net and I think you just have to laugh and move on. In my opinion this was a smokin show, one of my favorite Beacon shows of the past 3 or 4 years.

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I totally agree with Doug. I was not there, but watched on Moogis, so I was wondering if the show was that different in person. I thought the cue mishaps were a good, human element to let you know it was a live show. I also think that Gregg was watching Johhny Winter and expected him to start off and when he didn't, Gregg grabbed his mike and filled in. I love Los Lobos, but thought David Hildago was a step behind sometimes.
So, I don't know if the at home experience is that different, but I have enjoyed both shows and think the whole band sounds in top form. Gregg is so clear (and I said this after Red Rocks also) that I am hearing lyrics from him I had not heard in years.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 01:43 PM
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they never took it into the next gear


you nailed it PCB.

my last beacon show was the last night of the 2007 run. they had many, many moments during that show where the roof was torn off. just didn't happen last night. i think the set list had something to do with it.

i watched the first night on moogis and thought it was a solid 8.5. if i was there, i probably would rank it higher since i would have been in the live element. plus, that night had two great instrumentals that allowed for the next gear to take place. LBIAM is a great instrumental, but very structured so that it contains the guitarists. whereby the new instrumental and Mtn Jam allow them to go into the stratosphere.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 01:44 PM
also, i thought there were going to go the stratosphere on NOTRW, but Derek didn't go that way and it was more noodling than a build up to a tremendous climax.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 02:12 PM
I thought they were great last night. Definitely a few mess ups from Gregg, but this is live music, it's bound to happen.
 

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you nailed it PCB.

my last beacon show was the last night of the 2007 run. they had many, many moments during that show where the roof was torn off. just didn't happen last night. i think the set list had something to do with it.

i watched the first night on moogis and thought it was a solid 8.5. if i was there, i probably would rank it higher since i would have been in the live element. plus, that night had two great instrumentals that allowed for the next gear to take place. LBIAM is a great instrumental, but very structured so that it contains the guitarists. whereby the new instrumental and Mtn Jam allow them to go into the stratosphere.


It felt more like an excellent summer show to me, but like someone already said, they play without a net. I wasn't blown away last night by any means but enjoyed myself, I try not to nit pick as much as I used to and just enjoy it. I remember when I didn't live in NYC and never made it to Beacon shows at all (or when I first moved here and could only afford a single night) and would read people complain about one show not being as good as the next and want to strangle them. Now I do that haha. It's all completely relative, I guess, depending on expectations and the bar that the Allmans set for themselves.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 03:06 PM
give me a band that gambles ANY day vs. one that plays the same show night after night

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 03:21 PM
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I thought they were great last night. Definitely a few mess ups from Gregg, but this is live music, it's bound to happen.


I'll second that. They can't be on the mark every night.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 03:23 PM
This would never happen if so and so were still in the band









 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 03:24 PM
It was more than missed cues, the band just did not play to their normal stellar level.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 03:24 PM
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Agreed. BRING BACK LAWLER!!!


 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 03:28 PM
All I can say is anytime Derek and/or Warren can make my jaw drop at least 3 or 4 times, it's a good enough show for me.......


Les Brers and Wasted Words were killer......

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 03:28 PM
Hopefully Mitzi didn't see Gregg's low cut shirt.....

 

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