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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 08:30 PM
I bet with all this talk of JaBuMa, we get a long one on Thursday night. It just kinda feels like it's gonna happen now since Butch comes around every now and then.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 10:06 PM
Hope it's gone for good!

Three songs I'd rather hear than JABUMA
1. Can't Take It With You
2. Win, Lose, or Draw
3. Low Down Dirty Mean

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 10:42 PM
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Hope it's gone for good!

Three songs I'd rather hear than JABUMA
1. Can't Take It With You
2. Win, Lose, or Draw
3. Low Down Dirty Mean/quote]

May I add one?
4. Ramblin Man

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 10:54 PM
i like when the dead do it, i like it when panic does it, i like it when mule does it, and i like it when the allmans break it out. the drum sections, theyre sometimes my favorite part of a show and always a highlight. maybe its cuz ima drum nut but i think it would be a shame to lose the tradition. i mean take it away and what does it lead to, stuff like phish and the disco buiscits and umphrys and isnt there too much of that out there as it is.
 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 07:04 AM
I'll add a vote against it. A short drum break in IMOER or Hot Lanta is enough for me. I'll take the extra songs, especially with guests coming out, over a long drum solo. It does lose a good part of the crowd.
 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:05 PM
I have to admit, until I read this thread I didn't know there WAS a formal name (Jabuma) for the extended drum solo. I thought Jabuma was the nickname for the ABB drum section. Guess I need to catch up.

I am a drummer also, and I have to admit, the extended drum solo, (over 5 to 10 minutes) IS tedious. I would rather see a minute or two as in Southbound or IMOER.
That's really all that is needed to showcase the drum section. IMHO

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:22 PM
I know people don't like JaBuMa... I LOVE it. BUT I don't need it every night. And I don't always need a really long one. Between 5-15 minutes is cool depending on how interesting they make.

I think the less they play it, the better they are when they do it. They had a really cool arrangement about 10 years ago with great alternating time signatures (4/4 to 6/8 to 4/4) which I think they kinda brought back last year.

But I think the biggest thing is the drums need to be mixed right. When you can hear the subtleties of what they are doing, it is extremely impressive...

I think the drum mix has been not right in the soundboards since 2006, unfortunately. I don't mean that as a complaint as much as just something I've noticed. I'm more picky about that than most though... It's hard to get right with so many DRUMS! LOL

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:23 PM
Long live JABUMA !

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:26 PM
If the Dead do end up guesting, I would go nuts to hear a JaBuMaOtBiMi. Please flashback, happen then!
 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 01:42 PM
I could live with it or without it. I'm not a real big drum solo fan in the first place. That being said, I do enjoy drums when there are multiple drummers as with the ABB and bands like Santana.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 04:51 PM
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I could live with it or without it. I'm not a real big drum solo fan in the first place. That being said, I do enjoy drums when there are multiple drummers as with the ABB and bands like Santana.


No disrespect to TruQuiJohn, but I mos def could listen to Santana's drummer and percussionists for hours...

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 04:55 PM
Also, and this is JUST an observation, (disclaimer) but I have never been able to hear Jaimoe in the ABB mix.

I have spent many a show specifically watching Jaimoe's hands to see if I could hear what he was playing coming out from the PA. Many nights I actually felt he was mixed out.

Either that or he was mixed down so low I could not hear him at all.

Not sure why, but I have noticed this more than once.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 04:58 PM
And, last but not least, while we are beating the proverbial dead horse into a lather, I would rather hear AllBetHay any day over Bajuma or whatever....

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 10:35 PM
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Also, and this is JUST an observation, (disclaimer) but I have never been able to hear Jaimoe in the ABB mix.

I have spent many a show specifically watching Jaimoe's hands to see if I could hear what he was playing coming out from the PA. Many nights I actually felt he was mixed out.

Either that or he was mixed down so low I could not hear him at all.

Not sure why, but I have noticed this more than once.




You're missing out and I truly believe every great ABB show I've been (yes, they were all great, but I mean the STELLAR ones) is when Jaimoe is on fire and clear in the mix... He just plays off that intensity and is SO unique. Every drummer I work with who is familiar with his style, freaks out just thinking about him.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 11:09 PM
I can do without it or keep it short.

 

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  posted on 3/13/2009 at 03:56 AM
Persoanlly, I love it. gives the guys a chance to let their hair down (or whats left of it!) and show us what they can do. Gives them the spotlight and a bit more freedom.

Its only fair when you think Derek and Warren are going at it all night - which I love btw!

I say keep Jabuma but don't forget to listen to what is going on underneath Warrena and Derek because it is just sensational...

 

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  posted on 3/13/2009 at 06:24 AM
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I have to admit, until I read this thread I didn't know there WAS a formal name (Jabuma) for the extended drum solo. I thought Jabuma was the nickname for the ABB drum section. Guess I need to catch up.

I am a drummer also, and I have to admit, the extended drum solo, (over 5 to 10 minutes) IS tedious. I would rather see a minute or two as in Southbound or IMOER.
That's really all that is needed to showcase the drum section. IMHO


Kinda both
Ja- Jaimoe
Bu- Butvh
Ma- Marc

 

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  posted on 3/13/2009 at 08:30 AM
I think Josh Chasin who posts regularly on the listserv and here sometimes came up with the name for the drum trio part of the show. I understand Josh also wrote an article for the playbill they are giving out at the show. Nice.

 

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I have to admit, until I read this thread I didn't know there WAS a formal name (Jabuma) for the extended drum solo. I thought Jabuma was the nickname for the ABB drum section. Guess I need to catch up.


Kinda both
Ja- Jaimoe
Bu- Butvh
Ma- Marc


Yeah, I figured that part out.

I like TruQuiJohn better....

Or how 'bout JohnTruQui? LOL

 

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Also, and this is JUST an observation, (disclaimer) but I have never been able to hear Jaimoe in the ABB mix.

I have spent many a show specifically watching Jaimoe's hands to see if I could hear what he was playing coming out from the PA. Many nights I actually felt he was mixed out.

Either that or he was mixed down so low I could not hear him at all.

Not sure why, but I have noticed this more than once.




You're missing out and I truly believe every great ABB show I've been (yes, they were all great, but I mean the STELLAR ones) is when Jaimoe is on fire and clear in the mix... He just plays off that intensity and is SO unique. Every drummer I work with who is familiar with his style, freaks out just thinking about him.


Yes, I know I am missing out. That was my point. I just wondered WHY?
I personally never thought Jaimoe was all that great. I have heard his solo stuff and was not impressed. He just seems to play fills off whatever Butch is playing. I like Butch and Frankie better.
(Now I will climb behind the chicken wire before the rotten tomatos start flying.)

 

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  posted on 3/13/2009 at 08:44 AM
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Also, and this is JUST an observation, (disclaimer) but I have never been able to hear Jaimoe in the ABB mix.

I have spent many a show specifically watching Jaimoe's hands to see if I could hear what he was playing coming out from the PA. Many nights I actually felt he was mixed out.

Either that or he was mixed down so low I could not hear him at all.

Not sure why, but I have noticed this more than once.


As a drummer, I too spend lots of time listening closely to drum mix and will admit that Moogis helps as the visual and the great audio definitely show Jaimoe palying. He hits so soft to get the sound his mix must be cranked. In 2007, in Darien Lake he was highlighted in JaBuMa and got a standing ovation from the crowd, BuMa and the entire band. The man can still play, just not as long as he used to.

By the way, who was the drummer that sat in with the boys last night in the first set when the Phish boys were up there???

 

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  posted on 3/13/2009 at 08:55 AM
Only 4 min worth, but Butch heard my plea! Nice.
 

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Also, and this is JUST an observation, (disclaimer) but I have never been able to hear Jaimoe in the ABB mix.

I have spent many a show specifically watching Jaimoe's hands to see if I could hear what he was playing coming out from the PA. Many nights I actually felt he was mixed out.

Either that or he was mixed down so low I could not hear him at all.

Not sure why, but I have noticed this more than once.




You're missing out and I truly believe every great ABB show I've been (yes, they were all great, but I mean the STELLAR ones) is when Jaimoe is on fire and clear in the mix... He just plays off that intensity and is SO unique. Every drummer I work with who is familiar with his style, freaks out just thinking about him.


Yes, I know I am missing out. That was my point. I just wondered WHY?
I personally never thought Jaimoe was all that great. I have heard his solo stuff and was not impressed. He just seems to play fills off whatever Butch is playing. I like Butch and Frankie better.
(Now I will climb behind the chicken wire before the rotten tomatos start flying.)


No reason to hide behnd chicken wire on a matter of opinion. To each his own.

There is no right or wrong...

If you like prefer the Butch & Frankie style, you probably won't appreciate what Jaimoe does as much. I'm a guitar player, but I'm a decent drummer and I play more in the Butch style (which I love as well) so I'm flabbergasted by Jaimoe's whole approach, it is not natural to me, but it's great, funky and soulful. Listening to the Sea Level, We3 stuff. But I have a jam from 05 with just Oteil & Jaimoe that I think sums up his playing. Oh yeah that and the studio version of "Stand Back"...

 
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