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  posted on 3/4/2009 at 11:37 PM
In the Butch interview on AG he talks about Ayn Rand. Its unclear if he supports her or not (he says or current troubles are a result of her philosophy or something to that effect). First, I've never read her. In '64 all the Goldwater fanatics at my school were reading her so I figered she was right wing. On the other hand, isn't Atlas Shrugged about the destrutiveness of the corporate mentality? Has anyone read her? What is she saying?
 
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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 01:32 AM
From what I surmise about you LP, you'd more than likely hate her.

It's been 20 years since I read Atlas Shrugged. But from what I remember, the story was designed to show the destructive nature of collectivist, socialist, and totalitarian approaches to societial organization. Ayn was a pure laissez-faire capitalist, and believed that rational self interest was the best means for the individual and society to maximize their potential.

If you chose to read Atlas, you'll see lots of parallels in her story to the direction we're headed now. If the outcome plays out anything like her story predicts, hopefully those who rebuild afterward will remember her warning.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 06:38 AM
It was an unnerving novel. The only problem I have with drawing parallels to the book and what's happening now is in the book the 'best and brightest' were known and revered. Who's our best and brightest?

Who is John Galt?

 

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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 07:18 AM
Greenspan first met Ayn Rand when he was in his mid-20's - young and easier to influenece.

They became close friends, at least according to what you can read from Greenspan.

Not being the typical WP poster - I'm not going to cut and paste a bunch of info that indicates how Greenspan's policies may have been influenced, nor will I try to connect the dots for you.

Go do your own research and come up with your own conclussions.

 
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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 08:21 AM
Terrible writer, terrible ideas, disastrous philosophy. Needs to be dumped on the trash heap of failed ideology. John Galt is a whiny little sh!t heel and a coward. LOL.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 09:19 AM
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Terrible writer, terrible ideas, disastrous philosophy


I agree. I think a lot of people read them because they were in vogue and it was cool thing to do. I've read bad stuff, but have never had to force myself though something like I did with Atlas Shrugged.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 09:28 AM
I always thought Rand took the significance of the individual too far.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 04:17 PM
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It was an unnerving novel. The only problem I have with drawing parallels to the book and what's happening now is in the book the 'best and brightest' were known and revered. Who's our best and brightest?



Me! I consider all of you my children.


The classic video, of course, if Rand on the Phil Donahue Show many hears ago. It is great and she has an answer for everything, good or bad. Definitely entertaining.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 04:25 PM
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The classic video, of course, if Rand on the Phil Donahue Show many hears ago. It is great and she has an answer for everything, good or bad. Definitely entertaining.


LOL I forgot about that. All on youtube.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 05:39 PM
Ayn Rand's philosophy of "rational self interest" is not a bad philosophy for "corporate America" IF it was actually practiced, but it isn't and hasn't been so for quite some time. Unfortunately, Any Rand did not take into account "human nature", which is by large "self serving" and doesn't look at the "Big Picture", or the "Long Run", just "short term" profits for the "Big Boys". Both management and labor must respect what each does, Unfortunately, to many of those who inhabit "Magohany Row" and their major stockholders in thier quest to generate the "maximum profit", are quck to cut into their labor force, which IS the goose that lays the "golden egg" for them. Sadly, here in America that "golden goose" is just about dead. Hate to say it, but Wall Street don't give a "rat's ass" about America. If the American economy is to be saved is going to have to look at "Main Street", and not "Wall Street". You know "Wall Street" f*cked us, and given the chance they'll continue to do so.
 

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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 06:31 PM
Anthem was a fantastic book she wrote about a society that became totally a tyrannical, dictatorship under the guise of soclalism. It totally demonstrates the dangers when you think in terms of we and 'we' to the extent that society is based on having to do what is best for the masses' to the point of losing the self. The concept of self no longer exists at all. Individuality is gone. The govt. totally rules the people in every aspect of their lives telling people what they will do for a living etc.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2009 at 09:04 PM
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Terrible writer, terrible ideas, disastrous philosophy. Needs to be dumped on the trash heap of failed ideology. John Galt is a whiny little sh!t heel and a coward. LOL.


I love Goliath. Every time I feel like I wanna say something but should be polite, Goliath says it.

It was due to their dedication of the album 2112 to "the genius of Ayn Rand" that, at the age of 13, I decided not to become a Rush fan. Yes I was a lefty since birth, LOL.

But, interestingly, it's kind of a fine line between "Atlas Shrugged" and "1984"... and a thin line between love and hate!

 

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  posted on 3/6/2009 at 12:54 PM
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Ayn Rand's philosophy of "rational self interest" is not a bad philosophy for "corporate America" IF it was actually practiced, but it isn't and hasn't been so for quite some time. Unfortunately, Any Rand did not take into account "human nature", which is by large "self serving" and doesn't look at the "Big Picture", or the "Long Run", just "short term" profits for the "Big Boys". Both management and labor must respect what each does, Unfortunately, to many of those who inhabit "Magohany Row" and their major stockholders in thier quest to generate the "maximum profit", are quck to cut into their labor force, which IS the goose that lays the "golden egg" for them. Sadly, here in America that "golden goose" is just about dead. Hate to say it, but Wall Street don't give a "rat's ass" about America. If the American economy is to be saved is going to have to look at "Main Street", and not "Wall Street". You know "Wall Street" f*cked us, and given the chance they'll continue to do so.


No ideology ever takes into account human nature. That's why all "isms" are bad except for classical liberalism which is more a philosophy than an ideology.

 

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Ayn Rand's philosophy of "rational self interest" is not a bad philosophy for "corporate America" IF it was actually practiced, but it isn't and hasn't been so for quite some time. Unfortunately, Any Rand did not take into account "human nature", which is by large "self serving" and doesn't look at the "Big Picture", or the "Long Run", just "short term" profits for the "Big Boys". Both management and labor must respect what each does, Unfortunately, to many of those who inhabit "Magohany Row" and their major stockholders in thier quest to generate the "maximum profit", are quck to cut into their labor force, which IS the goose that lays the "golden egg" for them. Sadly, here in America that "golden goose" is just about dead. Hate to say it, but Wall Street don't give a "rat's ass" about America. If the American economy is to be saved is going to have to look at "Main Street", and not "Wall Street". You know "Wall Street" f*cked us, and given the chance they'll continue to do so.


No ideology ever takes into account human nature. That's why all "isms" are bad except for classical liberalism which is more a philosophy than an ideology.


What about the "ism" that starts with a "J" ? Seems that's been put to use propagating if not propagandizing.

 

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Ayn Rand's philosophy of "rational self interest" is not a bad philosophy for "corporate America" IF it was actually practiced, but it isn't and hasn't been so for quite some time. Unfortunately, Any Rand did not take into account "human nature", which is by large "self serving" and doesn't look at the "Big Picture", or the "Long Run", just "short term" profits for the "Big Boys". Both management and labor must respect what each does, Unfortunately, to many of those who inhabit "Magohany Row" and their major stockholders in thier quest to generate the "maximum profit", are quck to cut into their labor force, which IS the goose that lays the "golden egg" for them. Sadly, here in America that "golden goose" is just about dead. Hate to say it, but Wall Street don't give a "rat's ass" about America. If the American economy is to be saved is going to have to look at "Main Street", and not "Wall Street". You know "Wall Street" f*cked us, and given the chance they'll continue to do so.


No ideology ever takes into account human nature. That's why all "isms" are bad except for classical liberalism which is more a philosophy than an ideology.


What about the "ism" that starts with a "J" ? Seems that's been put to use propagating if not propagandizing.



OMG! LMAO!

 

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Ayn Rand's philosophy of "rational self interest" is not a bad philosophy for "corporate America" IF it was actually practiced, but it isn't and hasn't been so for quite some time. Unfortunately, Any Rand did not take into account "human nature", which is by large "self serving" and doesn't look at the "Big Picture", or the "Long Run", just "short term" profits for the "Big Boys". Both management and labor must respect what each does, Unfortunately, to many of those who inhabit "Magohany Row" and their major stockholders in thier quest to generate the "maximum profit", are quck to cut into their labor force, which IS the goose that lays the "golden egg" for them. Sadly, here in America that "golden goose" is just about dead. Hate to say it, but Wall Street don't give a "rat's ass" about America. If the American economy is to be saved is going to have to look at "Main Street", and not "Wall Street". You know "Wall Street" f*cked us, and given the chance they'll continue to do so.


No ideology ever takes into account human nature. That's why all "isms" are bad except for classical liberalism which is more a philosophy than an ideology.


What about the "ism" that starts with a "J" ? Seems that's been put to use propagating if not propagandizing.



OMG! LMAO!


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  posted on 3/6/2009 at 03:35 PM
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I love Goliath. Every time I feel like I wanna say something but should be polite, Goliath says it.


Thanks Pete. Add to the trash bin her contribution to literature as well. I will be nice, though, and say she was a strong person and furthered the idea that a woman could be formidable, intellectual, and free.

 

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Ayn Rand's philosophy of "rational self interest" is not a bad philosophy for "corporate America" IF it was actually practiced, but it isn't and hasn't been so for quite some time. Unfortunately, Any Rand did not take into account "human nature", which is by large "self serving" and doesn't look at the "Big Picture", or the "Long Run", just "short term" profits for the "Big Boys". Both management and labor must respect what each does, Unfortunately, to many of those who inhabit "Magohany Row" and their major stockholders in thier quest to generate the "maximum profit", are quck to cut into their labor force, which IS the goose that lays the "golden egg" for them. Sadly, here in America that "golden goose" is just about dead. Hate to say it, but Wall Street don't give a "rat's ass" about America. If the American economy is to be saved is going to have to look at "Main Street", and not "Wall Street". You know "Wall Street" f*cked us, and given the chance they'll continue to do so.


No ideology ever takes into account human nature. That's why all "isms" are bad except for classical liberalism which is more a philosophy than an ideology.


What about the "ism" that starts with a "J" ? Seems that's been put to use propagating if not propagandizing.

Really missed you around these parts, Pete.

 

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Ayn Rand's philosophy of "rational self interest" is not a bad philosophy for "corporate America" IF it was actually practiced, but it isn't and hasn't been so for quite some time. Unfortunately, Any Rand did not take into account "human nature", which is by large "self serving" and doesn't look at the "Big Picture", or the "Long Run", just "short term" profits for the "Big Boys". Both management and labor must respect what each does, Unfortunately, to many of those who inhabit "Magohany Row" and their major stockholders in thier quest to generate the "maximum profit", are quck to cut into their labor force, which IS the goose that lays the "golden egg" for them. Sadly, here in America that "golden goose" is just about dead. Hate to say it, but Wall Street don't give a "rat's ass" about America. If the American economy is to be saved is going to have to look at "Main Street", and not "Wall Street". You know "Wall Street" f*cked us, and given the chance they'll continue to do so.


No ideology ever takes into account human nature. That's why all "isms" are bad except for classical liberalism which is more a philosophy than an ideology.


What about the "ism" that starts with a "J" ? Seems that's been put to use propagating if not propagandizing.

Really missed you around these parts, Pete.
seconding this!

 

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Ayn Rand's philosophy of "rational self interest" is not a bad philosophy for "corporate America" IF it was actually practiced, but it isn't and hasn't been so for quite some time. Unfortunately, Any Rand did not take into account "human nature", which is by large "self serving" and doesn't look at the "Big Picture", or the "Long Run", just "short term" profits for the "Big Boys". Both management and labor must respect what each does, Unfortunately, to many of those who inhabit "Magohany Row" and their major stockholders in thier quest to generate the "maximum profit", are quck to cut into their labor force, which IS the goose that lays the "golden egg" for them. Sadly, here in America that "golden goose" is just about dead. Hate to say it, but Wall Street don't give a "rat's ass" about America. If the American economy is to be saved is going to have to look at "Main Street", and not "Wall Street". You know "Wall Street" f*cked us, and given the chance they'll continue to do so.


No ideology ever takes into account human nature. That's why all "isms" are bad except for classical liberalism which is more a philosophy than an ideology.


What about the "ism" that starts with a "J" ? Seems that's been put to use propagating if not propagandizing.

Really missed you around these parts, Pete.
seconding this!


Thanks guys. Feeling's mutual. I guess this thread got me feeling a bit Ayn-RANDY

 

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  posted on 3/7/2009 at 04:27 PM
You know, Ayn really put the HEAD in The Fountainhead...

 

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  posted on 3/7/2009 at 04:33 PM
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I love Goliath. Every time I feel like I wanna say something but should be polite, Goliath says it.


Thanks Pete. Add to the trash bin her contribution to literature as well. I will be nice, though, and say she was a strong person and furthered the idea that a woman could be formidable, intellectual, and free.


This is true, although she was not uncontroversial here. From the Wikipedia entry about her:

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In a McCall's magazine interview, Rand stated that while women are competent to be President of the United States, as a matter of psychology, no rational woman would enjoy being in that position (as a woman in charge of men); she later explained that it would be psychologically damaging to the woman.[46] She strongly opposed the modern feminist movement, despite supporting women needing careers and being the intellectual equals of men.[47] Feminist author Susan Brownmiller called Rand "a traitor to her own sex," while others, including Camille Paglia and the contributors to 1999's Feminist Interpretations of Ayn Rand, have noted Rand's "fiercely independent—and unapologetically sexual" heroines who are unbound by "tradition's chains ... [and] who had sex because they wanted to."[48]


Interesting stuff.

 

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