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Author: Subject: Watching Face The Nation, Bob Schieffer asks Rahm Emanuel about Limbaugh...

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He asked Emanuel who he thought was the spokesman for the Republican party and Emanuel responded Rush Limbaugh.

Honestly? I know this has been debated here before and this is a no win argument...but again...I am a Republican and I don't even listen to Rush, nor Hannity for that matter and furthermore I don't even watch Fox News with any regularity at all.

I simply cannot believe that the Dems think the masses listen to Rush and think everything he says is gospel and formulates their entire opinion of the state of this union.

I hear more about what Rush says from folks on this website that claim they are not Republicans....so maybe that is why he is so popular...the opposition listens so they can make fun of it?

Again, hearing Emanuel say what he said about Limbaugh sounded pathetic and like a talking point that just sounds preposterous....

 

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Perceived by you and apparently Pres. Obama...not perceived by any Republicans that I know.

Talking about Rush Limbaugh and what he says or doesn't say is similar to debating about Rosie O'Donnel or Baba Wa Wa and what they think....ie pointless.

 

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  posted on 3/1/2009 at 11:12 AM
He is the leader of both the Republican party and movement conservatism. Although what he spouts, which also happens to be what every Republican politician and pundit spews, has been proven to be disastrous to the country and the world as a whole, these views are still given media attention and credibility by all who agree with him, even if they never listen to his show. If the drivel he has spewed for so long was actually a winner I could see it. He is the mouthpiece for the Republican party, and hence, very influential, and hence, a leader. Nothing controversial at all about the conclusion that Rush is indeed if not the defacto leader, one of the top leaders of the Republicans.

 

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OK, who is the face and who is the leader of the GOP right now? Who is getting out any kind of message? Bobby Jindal? He was the face that the GOP put forward last week and it didn't go all that well.


And he was advocating the same thing Rush advocates, except maybe not as 'entertaining', LOL.

 

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  posted on 3/1/2009 at 11:17 AM
Why do we or any political party for that matter have to have "a face"

The Repubs are hurting, duh...they are searching for their message and they threw Jindal in there...he was soundly tore apart.

I heard his speech, I didn't think it was all that bad, good message I thought...I had to read others opinions of him to hear how I was supposed to think he was a jerk and looked like a sitcom character on some stupid show I don't even watch.

Here we are...American Idol nation.

Geez, is this an election year? Didn't we just go through that?

If Limbaugh was ignored, he would go away...it is currently Obama and his administration that is keeping him a topic.

 

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No matter who the face of the party is, I won't be interested in what they are selling unless they share some kind of combination of ideas from Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul (the only two R candidates I supported in the Presidential election).

I listen to Rush on occasion from an entertainment perspective, but it doesn't take long to realize that the party he envisions is much different from the one I might support.

I think the party needs drastic change, embrace a classical Republican perspective on trade and become more libertarian on issues like stem cell research, drugs and leave the bible thumping behind. Their campaign motto should be equal treatment for all, special privilages for none. And on foreign policy, no entangling or permanent alliances, no UN, no WTO, no global pacts which put the interests of other nations ahead of our own.

 

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The Limbaugh phenomenon, and the attempt to label him as the "Face of the GOP" or the leader of the party, is clearly a strategy hatched by someone in the Obama administration...Nothing more. There is some desired result in playing this to the hilt, although I'm not sure what that would be.

 

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The Limbaugh phenomenon, and the attempt to label him as the "Face of the GOP" or the leader of the party, is clearly a strategy hatched by someone in the Obama administration...Nothing more. There is some desired result in playing this to the hilt, although I'm not sure what that would be.


Thank you...I am sitting around watching a bunch of Sunday news shows and pretty much all of them are mentioning Limbaugh...you hit it, a strategy for sure.

I think the guy is an idiot and for the record if he ever ran for any office I sure would not vote for him.

 

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The Limbaugh phenomenon, and the attempt to label him as the "Face of the GOP" or the leader of the party, is clearly a strategy hatched by someone in the Obama administration...Nothing more. There is some desired result in playing this to the hilt, although I'm not sure what that would be.


Thank you...I am sitting around watching a bunch of Sunday news shows and pretty much all of them are mentioning Limbaugh...you hit it, a strategy for sure.



Pretty typical of the kind of thing that goes on now. I got a kick out of the big "Fiscal Responsibility Summit", which was nothing more than a PR stunt to show D's and R's "working together" to solve the problems facing us. Then they spend the time talking about helicopters and no-bid contracts.

In the meantime, any "solutions" they managed to formulate will never see the light of day anyway. It was all a big show, and people are supposed to eat it up...Any mention of fixing Social Security would have them running for the exits like scalded dogs!

 

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I simply cannot believe that the Dems think the masses listen to Rush and think everything he says is gospel and formulates their entire opinion of the state of this union.


OK...QUICK!!!...name another talk show host that is perceived as the "Leader" of anything.
The fact that Mr. Limbaugh is on FOX News and people are dissecting his thoughts and words is absolutely horrifying. He is a TALK SHOW HOST

The people on the Far right that the conservative masses "Look up to"....(Limbaugh, Coulter & Hannity) should be enough to show you that the Republican party is in a tailspin and is in dire need of a serious overhaul.

 

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I think the party needs drastic change, embrace a classical Republican perspective on trade and become more libertarian on issues like stem cell research, drugs and leave the bible thumping behind. Their campaign motto should be equal treatment for all, special privilages for none. And on foreign policy, no entangling or permanent alliances, no UN, no WTO, no global pacts which put the interests of other nations ahead of our own.


With some exceptions, I agree. Relevant and workable ideas are needed or the party continues its slide into irrelevancy.

 

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The Limbaugh phenomenon, and the attempt to label him as the "Face of the GOP" or the leader of the party, is clearly a strategy hatched by someone in the Obama administration...Nothing more. There is some desired result in playing this to the hilt, although I'm not sure what that would be.


This grand strategy is what is called stating the obvious. I think terrible ideas and the people who spread them should be called out and challenged. The electorate seems to understand that the ideas that Limbaugh and his ilk (Republicans) advocate are not very good for the American family or America as a whole.

 

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The Limbaugh phenomenon, and the attempt to label him as the "Face of the GOP" or the leader of the party, is clearly a strategy hatched by someone in the Obama administration...Nothing more. There is some desired result in playing this to the hilt, although I'm not sure what that would be.


Thank you...I am sitting around watching a bunch of Sunday news shows and pretty much all of them are mentioning Limbaugh...you hit it, a strategy for sure.

I think the guy is an idiot and for the record if he ever ran for any office I sure would not vote for him.
This is actually out of the Saul Alinsky playbook (Rules For Radicals) to which Obama ascribes. The idea is to directly name the person who has the view you oppose or wish to discredit, and single them out for public inspection and ridicule, thereby putting caution in the minds of others who might speak out in a similar fashion. Just another fear tactic.

Now its one thing when the media reports or comments on elected individuals and their views. That's their role in a free society, and should be expected. Its something else entirely when an elected President and their administration resort to the same tactic. Their job is to serve the people and protect Constitutional tenents (like free speech), and that doesn't include a personalized attack on individuals who disagree with them. Its fine to publicly discuss the idea, quite another to go after the person who expressed it.

In the short month they've been in office, note how many individuals have been singled out by the President or his administration. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs last week called out Rick Santelli of CNBC for his 2-3 minutes of comments opposing the mortgage bailout plan. Will everyone who has a large enough audience get similar treatment? These are elected/appointed officials in the most powerful positions in Washington picking on individual citizens who are exercising their First Amendment privilege.

Is it a not so subtle means of trying to quell free speech, or perfectly ok for a President to attack individual citizens? I guess it depends on your point of view, but it certainly seems to be on the rise with our new administration.

 

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This is actually out of the Saul Alinsky playbook (Rules For Radicals) to which Obama ascribes. The idea is to directly name the person who has the view you oppose or wish to discredit, and single them out for public inspection and ridicule, thereby putting caution in the minds of others who might speak out in a similar fashion. Just another fear tactic.



I'd type more of a response, but I need to go to the eye doctor. My eyes have rolled so far back into my head I think they're stuck. To continue I'd need a braille keyboard.

 

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I don't pay much attention to Limbaugh but yesterday I saw him on CNN making a speech to CPAC. Man he is more obese than ever. Geez Rush push the jelly filled donuts away once in a while why don't you? I thought he had lost some weight a few years ago.

 

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This is actually out of the Saul Alinsky playbook (Rules For Radicals) to which Obama ascribes. The idea is to directly name the person who has the view you oppose or wish to discredit, and single them out for public inspection and ridicule



The four-step process:
1) Identify
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Good luck with it, but what's the old saying in politics? "Constantly calling attention to your political opponents only means they're doing something right."

 

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This is actually out of the Saul Alinsky playbook (Rules For Radicals) to which Obama ascribes. The idea is to directly name the person who has the view you oppose or wish to discredit, and single them out for public inspection and ridicule, thereby putting caution in the minds of others who might speak out in a similar fashion. Just another fear tactic.



I'd type more of a response, but I need to go to the eye doctor. My eyes have rolled so far back into my head I think they're stuck. To continue I'd need a braille keyboard.
This probably won't help your eye problems any, but here you go - straight from Alinsky's "Rules" -

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Rule 5: Ridicule is manís most potent weapon. Itís hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.


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Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Donít try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

If you don't see the alignment of those principles and what this administration is doing, then maybe that eye problem is a permenent issue. I surely hope not.

Maybe I'm wrong, but have you seen an administration go after people who oppose them, by name, with the frequency and speed these guys have?

 

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I say the Obama administration wants Limbaugh to be the spokesman...It's a great way to guide people away from a idiology by showing them the ghetto of it's extreme thinking. It almost like reverse fear tactics.

 

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If you don't see the alignment of those principles and what this administration is doing, then maybe that eye problem is a permenent issue. I surely hope not.


No, I don't.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but have you seen an administration go after people who oppose them, by name, with the frequency and speed these guys have?



Oh dear! THEY'RE GOING AFTER PEOPLE!

WTF does that even mean?

President Bush - Karl Rove - disagree with us and you are traitors. That's not "going after people?"

Rick Santelli calls millions of Americans losers and someone responds. Being that you agree with Santelli, someone responds to that so they are evil? Who are the ones that don't want any opposition to what they say?



 

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BHawk - I think you know what Santelli meant by "winners and losers" in talking about the housing bailout. Besides, did he mention anybody by name?

Eric Holder just called the American people "cowards", but didn't mention me by name so I guess he was talking about somebody else.

Did Rove or Bush ever call you out individually?

 

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I know this has been debated here before and this is a no win argument...but again...I am a Democrat and I don't even listen to Air America, visit moveon.org for that matter and furthermore I don't even read the New York Times with any regularity at all.

I simply cannot believe that the Republicans think the masses get their ideology from these sources and think everything said is gospel and formulates their entire opinion of the state of this union.

I hear more about what these sources says from folks on this website that claim they are not Democrats....so maybe that is why they are so popular...the opposition listens so they can make fun of it?

Again, hearing conservatives say what they've said for the last fifteen years about all of these "ideological talking point" sources sounded pathetic and like a talking point that just sounds preposterous....

 

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I think you know what Santelli meant by "winners and losers" in talking about the housing bailout.


No, I don't, actually.

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Besides, did he mention anybody by name?


What's the difference?

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Eric Holder just called the American people "cowards", but didn't mention me by name so I guess he was talking about somebody else.



He specifically said "cowards about race." He's right. I see it every day.

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Yup. I disagreed with them. Guess I'm a traitor.

 

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I know this has been debated here before and this is a no win argument...but again...I am a Democrat and I don't even listen to Air America, visit moveon.org for that matter and furthermore I don't even read the New York Times with any regularity at all.

I simply cannot believe that the Republicans think the masses get their ideology from these sources and think everything said is gospel and formulates their entire opinion of the state of this union.

I hear more about what these sources says from folks on this website that claim they are not Democrats....so maybe that is why they are so popular...the opposition listens so they can make fun of it?

Again, hearing conservatives say what they've said for the last fifteen years about all of these "ideological talking point" sources sounded pathetic and like a talking point that just sounds preposterous....


You are comparing the NY Times to Rush Limbaugh?

Anyhow, thanks, it is all clear to me now....

 

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What's the difference?
The difference is gigantic.

You and I have different opinions about something, we debate, we end up not agreeing, so what? But when an elected official personalizes it - especially from the highest office in the land - it should sound an alarm for everyone no matter what side of the political spectrum you are on.

In a debate between two average citizens, does either have the power to investigate the other? Could either use results of such investigations to prosecute? Could either have the other's tax records examined? Could either have the other's phone tapped? Does either have the power to call armed agencies out against the other? Could either sieze property and assets of the other? Could either imprision the other?

I'm sure you're rolling your eyes back again, saying that would never happen. Really? Its happened throught all of history, who's to say it can't happen here. This is about protecting everyone's freedom to speak their mind without fear of the powerful using the tools of government against them. I agree that the Bush/Cheney tactics, as well as the Patriot Act, were threats on liberty and instigations of fear. This is just another tactic down that same general path.




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I know this has been debated here before and this is a no win argument...but again...I am a Democrat and I don't even listen to Air America, visit moveon.org for that matter and furthermore I don't even read the New York Times with any regularity at all.

I simply cannot believe that the Republicans think the masses get their ideology from these sources and think everything said is gospel and formulates their entire opinion of the state of this union.

I hear more about what these sources says from folks on this website that claim they are not Democrats....so maybe that is why they are so popular...the opposition listens so they can make fun of it?

Again, hearing conservatives say what they've said for the last fifteen years about all of these "ideological talking point" sources sounded pathetic and like a talking point that just sounds preposterous....


You are comparing the NY Times to Rush Limbaugh?



If you read it that way, sure. I have no control over the assumptions you make.

You make assumptions, the other side makes assumptions, yet you only want to demonize one side for doing it.

Crystal clear, I'd say.

So, I'm curious, what did you think of Rep. Gingrey's on air apology to Limbaugh?

 

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