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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 12:36 AM
Alright, it has taken me this long to get Already Free. The album itself is great, Derek's playing is transcendent, as usual. However, I just cannot get into the Derek Trucks band all that much. Derek is among my favorite guitarists of all time and one of a handful that is actually alive and I can still hear, which is wonderful. His music on Already Free and all his other albums are amazing, but I can't get into them that much, and I finally realized what it is. I may get blackballed for saying this but I think its the vocals. I think they are just sub-par. Mike Mattison's vocals just don't do anything for me. They are soulful, and maybe they fit somewhere else, but they just don't fit Derek's music, IMO. Of course Derek and his fellow band mates obviously disagree with my opinion or Mattison would not be a vocalist in the DTB. I do feel that if they found a different singer, they would blow away nearly everyone and would be much more accessible and would be a better band. I guess, I just want to hear Derek with those wonderful vocals of Gregg and Warren. Anyway, just an opinion.

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 12:41 AM
Catch them live with Mike and see if you still feel the same way.

"I Like Mike!"

(to hear the current band with a different singer go to archive.org and hear them live Javier Colon from May 2000-April 2002 or about that date range. I'm a Mattison fan, but was also a big Javier fan too...good bit different)

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 12:52 AM
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Catch them live with Mike and see if you still feel the same way.

"I Like Mike!"

(to hear the current band with a different singer go to archive.org and hear them live Javier Colon from May 2000-April 2002 or about that date range. I'm a Mattison fan, but was also a big Javier fan too...good bit different)


I can't imagine anyone else singing "Down Don't Bother Me".....

I too was a Javier fan. He had much sweeter, more pop-oriented voice and when he left and Mike came in it took me a long time to warm up to Mike. But the more I saw him live and dug his vibe, the more I realized he was perfect for this band. Love his gruff stuff.

Now I'm a huge MM fan!

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 01:03 AM
I gotta say, besides ABB, dTb has become my favorite band to see live....and I don't really care for Mike Mattison's voice with dTb on a great deal of the material. I can't explain it, but it just doesn't do it for me. If nothing else, its a testament to the power of the dTb's MUSIC. I dig it so much, that I don't care about the vocals all that much. Same way I feel about the present-day ABB.

I'm not bashing Mike M, here. He seems like a great guy and lots of people really dig his vocals, including his bandmates, which is of course the most important thing.

All this being said, I totally enjoy Scrapomatic. When I heard their stuff on Archive, I was really shocked at how much I loved it. Also I caught the Scrapomatic "duo" opening for Soul Stew last summer and I enjoyed their set as much as SoulStew.

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 01:49 AM
I stated in the Lounge a few weeks ago that I'm not a big fan of Mike's vocals ...i like him & his voice but,it just get's old to me after a few songs...On Already Free,I like Doyles vocals much more than Mike's...I'm seeing the dtb live tonight for the 1st time...so,I'll get to hear Mike in person for the 1st time....guess i'll see if that changes my mind.......

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 01:58 AM
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Catch them live with Mike and see if you still feel the same way.

"I Like Mike!"

(to hear the current band with a different singer go to archive.org and hear them live Javier Colon from May 2000-April 2002 or about that date range. I'm a Mattison fan, but was also a big Javier fan too...good bit different)


I have, I have seen DTB many times over the years. I like them but, Mike's vocals just don't do it for me. I am sure he is a great fellow, but they don't hit the notes that I think most of the songs deserve. I actually would prefer a DTB sans vocals, but that isn't going to happen. My favorite lineup beyond ABB is the Soul Stew Revival. Susan's vocals are sooo amazing. She is one of my favorite singers bar none. I kind of wish that was more of the vocal style that the DTB has. I just don't like Mikes singing, I am sure he is a nice guy, and to be honest I have really not listened to Scrapomatic and maybe he fits better with them, but Dereks searing guitar work needs a vocalist with equal prowess to keep up, and I feel that Mike kind of falls flat on that end.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 02:34 AM
There was a time when I thought Susan was the perfect fit for Derek's band , but I saw Soul Stew and I changed my mind. I liked Soul Stew. Had a great time, but there was very little jamming going on, no major build-ups, no Derek unleashed, just some fine and tasty solos. Nothing wrong with that. Its just not what I've come to love about dTb live. If this is the Derek Trucks Band that we have for some time to come, I'll be just fine with that and prefer it over Soul Stew anyday.
 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 10:13 AM
mikes voice is obvioulsy unique. most folks probably do not
fully appreciate his "vocal styling". i was one of the doubters
early on until the last cd. after that i was "blind, crippled and crazy"!!!

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 10:13 AM
mikes voice is obvioulsy unique. most folks probably do not
fully appreciate his "vocal styling". i was one of the doubters
early on until the last cd. after that i was "blind, crippled and crazy"!!!

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 10:55 AM
I think Mike is the best fit yet as far as singers go with DTB!

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 11:15 AM
Mike is truly unique in his vocal stylings thats for sure. It does tend to wear on me at times. But I think it fits Derek's sound. Derek seems to be schooled in a lot of the old R&B, soul music and Mike's voice does a nice job with that sound.

I saw Derek a few years ago and I remember thinking that Mike had the best gig, because he spent a good portion of the show sitting in the corner when the band played. he seems to be much more a part of the band and the show these days.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 11:22 AM
I have nothing against Mike, although I really dislike the falsetto stuff, e.g., the early verses of Crow Jane. I think his vocals in parts such as the final verse of "I Wish" can be extremely powerful.

That being said . . . when it comes to the DTB for me, the instrumentals are what it's all about.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 11:42 AM
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Warren and Gregg would never be able to sing in Derek's band


Gregg? NO WAY. Warren? The man's got an amazing range. He wouldn't be singing Freddie's Dead, but he could handle any and all blues/soul stuff coming his way. Not that Warren would ever be a candidate to sing in dTb, just saying he's got some serious pipes.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 11:52 AM
Count me in as unsure about the DTB future with me...don't get me wrong, have been a fan of Derek's since I saw him live once or twice at his age 12...but in general I am a fan of rock and roll guitar, you know the kind he plays with the ABB.

We don't get that so much on DTB releases and I understand, but for me...I prefer the shred and go wild stuff he does with the ABB.

Having said that, I do own every DTB release and will continue to buy them, but as another topic asked...where will YOU go after the ABB retires, and for me, I will probably lean towards Gov't Mule, because Warren offers me that type of guitar that I require.

Now Mike's voice...I was NO fan until Already Free. The releases before this one, I could really take or leave his voice, but he seems to have found it with Already Free.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 12:02 PM
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That being said . . . when it comes to the DTB for me, the instrumentals are what it's all about.



exactly.
Mike has a good voice, Susan has a great voice, but I like to hear Derek and the band open things up and go wild.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 12:59 PM
I believe that we have the best of all worlds. ABB for at least a little while longer. Mule will be ever-present touring and new material for as long as Warren wants to. I believe dTb will get better and better. I love what Mike brings to the dTb sound. Initially, I also thought that Derek's solos were a little too subtle in the new release. However, upon futher review I think he actually does tear it up enough and does so in some songs unexpectedly. It will be fun to witness Derek's career as it continues to unfold. I predict that dTb shows may become tougher tickets in the future. On top of everything else, Derek by all accounts is a great person.
 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 01:08 PM
I dig him

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 01:26 PM
Mark me down in the "I like Mike" crowd!

I think that his vocals are great, and they fit in Derek's band perfectly!

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 01:50 PM
This is an early version of DTB with the "other' singer. I can't hardly listen to it. I like mike alot I actually caught them inbetween singers and KOFI did all the vocals! I was kinda surprised when the added Mike, I thougt Kofi did an excellent job.

Good Morning Little School Girl (around 2000)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN5cvrDtv3M

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 02:48 PM
That is Bill McKay singing, Derek's original organ player. He's not the other singer we were discussing in this thread that Mike replaced. Javier Colon is. Javier joined the band summer 2000 when Bill left and was a great singer for the dTb. (from June 2000 through April 2002 or close to that).

Nothing on youtube with him singing with the band band, but there is plenty on archive.org. Hear him on For My Brother, Ain't That Loving You, or Yield Not. Gave the band a motown kind of r&b side as well as spanish vocals on some songs like the original version of Ka-Ma-Lay.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 06:36 PM
I enjoy the tracks Mike lays down and I think he's great live too. But the Already Free track that Susan sings on is perfection. Her and Derek are going to be making some amazing music together for years to come.




 

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  posted on 2/21/2009 at 06:44 PM
Mark another notch on Mike's side, when I got this cd, it was exactly the sound I was looking for at the time, vocals, time signatures, sound, vibe. Still makes me feel good and it's been playning since I got it 3 weeks ago.
Isn't it interesting how some of us can hear something and like it so much and some of us hear the same thing and don't care for it? But it makes for good conversation.

 
 


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