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Obama has decalred that 30, 000 more US troops are being sent to Afganistan. So, where is the outrage from the left? If this were Bush, this would be 'news'.
This is escalation of the highest order and the liberals have nothing to say?
Figures.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 12:11 PM
Not to those who didn't see the value of shifting the focus to Iraq when there clearly was a large amount of unfinished business in Afghanistan. We were told that Bin Laden, AQ and the Taliban were the seeds for the monster that attacked on 9/11, and when some protested that President Bush was taking his eye off the ball, those folks were derided as idiots for not seeing the bigger picture.

BTW, you may want to consider that there are varying levels of opinion when it comes to being anti-war in general.

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 12:20 PM
I don't think the HTW left was ever against sending troops in to Afganny to go after Bin Laden and Tailban, none the less, the sooner US troops come back from Afganistan the better.

Since Kygryztan is closing the US base it makes getting US supply and troops into Afganistan quite a bit more challenging. The Kyrgs must have gotten a really sweet deal from Russia to close the US base even though they are denying it.

 

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Because we are supposed to LEARN from previous mistakes, right? But, as always, the
liberals want it both ways. If it was wrong then, it's wrong now. Further, your president's 'spending' pkg. is just another repeat of what has been tried before, numerous times, by the dems...and has NEVER worked. Only result was astronomical inflation, higher interest rates, and the tax payers footing the bill, again.
This is change? Only change will be worse for the American people than we have today.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 01:15 PM
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Obama has decalred that 30, 000 more US troops are being sent to Afganistan. So, where is the outrage from the left? If this were Bush, this would be 'news'.

Operative word being Afghanistan. Believe much of the 'outrage from the left' you refer to was tied to Bush marching us into Iraq.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 01:19 PM
True, and I was not for that either...and I am conservative. Point being, why was it 'wrong' then, and 'right' now? My reference is to the liberal medias of the US that dont give the criticism to obama as they did bush. If we are going to fight this war, then fight to win. Not this politically correct meat-grinder that we have now.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 01:24 PM
There have been many Democrats all along that wanted the focus to be in Afghanistan, Obama included. Remember he even said he'd strike in Pakistan if necessary. I don't think it is any surprise they are deploying troops there. Problem is their requests for increased troops from foreign countries has fallen on deaf ears.

I hope Iraq doesn't fall to pieces in the process and hope that Afghanistan doesn't become the situation Iraq had been. They are different theaters, but once our focus changes from Iraq to Afghanistan I'm sure the enemy's abroad will as well.

My friends company in Iraq is coming home soon, but they are scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan late 2010 after serving 2 tours in Iraq, my friend is not reenlisting. I know the family of a National Guard member who is on a peace keeping mission in Egypt, speculation is that he may be redeployed to Afghanistan as well.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 01:37 PM
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True, and I was not for that either...and I am conservative. Point being, why was it 'wrong' then, and 'right' now? My reference is to the liberal medias of the US that dont give the criticism to obama as they did bush. If we are going to fight this war, then fight to win. Not this politically correct meat-grinder that we have now.
You're missing the point. No one complained about going into Afghanistan. It was IRAQ.

 

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True, and I was not for that either...and I am conservative. Point being, why was it 'wrong' then, and 'right' now? My reference is to the liberal medias of the US that dont give the criticism to obama as they did bush. If we are going to fight this war, then fight to win. Not this politically correct meat-grinder that we have now.


Criticism of which war? I'm not following, no disrespect. I'm not recalling any reisitance to the operations in Afghanistan post 9/11...?

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 01:39 PM
Brendan and I are suffering from mass confusion...

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 01:41 PM
It's good for a little mid-afternoon entertainment.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 01:52 PM
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Obama has decalred that 30, 000 more US troops are being sent to Afganistan. So, where is the outrage from the left? If this were Bush, this would be 'news'.
This is escalation of the highest order and the liberals have nothing to say?
Figures.
as usual you have your facts mixed up, nobody on the left was against going to afghanistan, I say bush risked losing the war in afganistan by focusing on iraq. and he has the blood of american soldiers on his hands [and iraqi civilians].

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 02:00 PM
Ok, fair enough...and wtf? Iraqi citizens? I take it you are infering we kill citizens?
Bunk and crap and that is an insult to the troops over there dying for you.
If citizens are killed, and they have been in every war since the beginning of time,
it's part of the tragedy of war. Another reason to win this by whatever means necessary
and get out. Still, Bush did not make the decision alone and fighting on two fronts would
be tough.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 02:16 PM
Pretty amazing thread here. Obama must have stated 1000 times during the campaign that Afghanistan was where the real war focus should be and troops needed to be redeployed and sent there. This should be no surprise at all to anyone who even remotely was paying attention.

As far as Bush not making the decision alone to invade Iraq it totally mystifies me how so many people just gloss over the fact that he fabricated the justification for invading Iraq. It's just not that hard to understand that a lot of people went along with it based on the phoney evidence that was presented to them. Yikes

[Edited on 2/12/2009 by Peachypetewi]

 

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Ok, fair enough...and wtf? Iraqi citizens? I take it you are infering we kill citizens?
Bunk and crap and that is an insult to the troops over there dying for you.
If citizens are killed, and they have been in every war since the beginning of time,
it's part of the tragedy of war. Another reason to win this by whatever means necessary
and get out. Still, Bush did not make the decision alone and fighting on two fronts would
be tough.
yeah fair enough, this war did not and should not have been fought. thats my point. I insulted nobody.

 

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Obama has decalred that 30, 000 more US troops are being sent to Afganistan. So, where is the outrage from the left? If this were Bush, this would be 'news'.
This is escalation of the highest order and the liberals have nothing to say?
Figures.

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This post is a total lie. The left did not want to invade Iraq, but like everyone else, wanted the perpetrators of 9/11 who were holed up in Afghanistan found and held responsible. You wont find anything anywhere to support your post.

 

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Because we are supposed to LEARN from previous mistakes, right? But, as always, the
liberals want it both ways. If it was wrong then, it's wrong now. Further, your president's 'spending' pkg. is just another repeat of what has been tried before, numerous times, by the dems...and has NEVER worked. Only result was astronomical inflation, higher interest rates, and the tax payers footing the bill, again.
This is change? Only change will be worse for the American people than we have today.

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It was wrong to invade Iraq. Quit showing your brainwashed by believing the 2 places are connected-that was a Bush lie. Period.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 03:28 PM
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Ok, fair enough...and wtf? Iraqi citizens? I take it you are infering we kill citizens?
Bunk and crap and that is an insult to the troops over there dying for you.
If citizens are killed, and they have been in every war since the beginning of time,
it's part of the tragedy of war. Another reason to win this by whatever means necessary
and get out. Still, Bush did not make the decision alone and fighting on two fronts would
be tough.

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There was no reason to invade Iraq so all the citizen deaths are on us. Bush made the decision based on lies his group put together-this will always be true. Confusing the 2 fronts is what he wanted to do, but it is amazing to me that you still can't seperate the 2 fronts and reasons and see they were/are different. Or is this just an excuse to left bash by you, Brent?

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 03:59 PM
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Bunk and crap and that is an insult to the troops over there dying for you.



They're actually dying in order to create an Islamic Republic. You good with that?

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 04:29 PM
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Obama has decalred that 30, 000 more US troops are being sent to Afganistan. So, where is the outrage from the left? If this were Bush, this would be 'news'.
This is escalation of the highest order and the liberals have nothing to say?
Figures.


...sigh... folks like you have never, ever understood the issue. Iraq was NEVER needed. Afghanistan was. Since day one. I dont know one person who is against the Iraq war thats also against the Afghanistan war. Im all for it as we should have had our focus there all along instead of wasting lives and a trillion dollars in Iraq over establishing an Islamic Republic. This escalation is long overdue. If you think Im just kissing Obamas ass, please do a search for my previous posts on this issue.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 04:31 PM
Notice the lack of fresh material these days, ST?

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 04:33 PM
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Because we are supposed to LEARN from previous mistakes, right?


Since you dont seem to understand the very basic, elementary difference between the Iraq war and Afganistan, you probably shouldnt even be commenting.

The mistake we are supposed to learn from is not to trust a warmongering, lying President.

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But, as always, the liberals want it both ways. If it was wrong then, it's wrong now.


LOL...wow. What was wrong then was Iraq, the lies, the scary WMD that werent there etc. Afghanistan is a vastly different issue and has been since the very beginning.

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Further, your president's 'spending' pkg. is just another repeat of what has been tried before, numerous times, by the dems...and has NEVER worked. Only result was astronomical inflation, higher interest rates, and the tax payers footing the bill, again.
This is change? Only change will be worse for the American people than we have today.


I dont know how you can say this when the Republicans are getting everything they want and then some. Then again, if your understanding of all this is like your understanding of Iraq/Afghanistan, then I fully understand your confusion.

 

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Notice the lack of fresh material these days, ST?


Absolutely. Its sad that theres not more creativity.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 05:43 PM
Y'all covered it pretty well, as even Brent seems to be getting it now.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 05:52 PM
Out of Iraq now. Could there be a bigger measure of success than that of a fledgling Democracy flourishing, without our presence...because the Iraqis wanted to remain free?

Now, go after Bin Laden, find him, have his trial on PBS, and them Hang the S.O.B. on live Public TV. Show the world that this is what happens when you F with the USA.

War is dirty business.

 

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