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  posted on 2/10/2009 at 10:10 PM
you know she looks pretty good for a woman that just squeezedout 8 puppies

 

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  posted on 2/10/2009 at 10:13 PM
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you know she looks pretty good for a woman that just squeezedout 8 puppies


Make that 14.

I'll take Ann Curry any day.....

 

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  posted on 2/10/2009 at 10:20 PM
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Make that 14.

I know thats scary

 

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  posted on 2/10/2009 at 10:46 PM
how does someone that is single with 14 kids
with no income afford a publicist??

 

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  posted on 2/10/2009 at 10:48 PM
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Anticipated revenue from book/movie deals.....

Gee, think maybe she had the kids for cash? God, that sounds terrible...

 

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  posted on 2/10/2009 at 10:58 PM
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I just saw somewhere that she's getting government assistance

 

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I just saw somewhere that she's getting government assistance


Not if you ask her-she said she didn't consider food stamps "goverment assistance."

Meanwhile her Mom says she wasn't even taking care of the 6 kids she had before dropped these 8.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2009 at 11:23 PM
1 of 6 is autistic with 2 more showing signs of disabilties and she squeezed out 8 more

 

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how does someone that is single with 14 kids
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I just saw somewhere that she's getting government assistance


Not if you ask her-she said she didn't consider food stamps "goverment assistance."

Meanwhile her Mom says she wasn't even taking care of the 6 kids she had before dropped these 8.


oh, my misinterpretation of my assistance.

I'll just go back to the Dickey threads

 

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I just saw somewhere that she's getting government assistance


Not if you ask her-she said she didn't consider food stamps "goverment assistance."

Meanwhile her Mom says she wasn't even taking care of the 6 kids she had before dropped these 8.


oh, my misinterpretation of my assistance.

I'll just go back to the Dickey threads


greatstuff im gonna smoke one on that

 

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  posted on 2/11/2009 at 12:11 PM
This whole situation disgusts me. For one thing this Nadya Suleman has got to be one of the most narcisstic people I've heard speak. I didn't watch Dateline but I've been watching portions of the interviews on Today show and have been struck by the number of times she's referred to HER children and HER embryos and HER own childhood and HER feelings of lonliness at being an only child leading her to make the decision to have a large family. She is so far removed from reality I question her ability to be a proper mother to the 6 children she already had let alone the 8 she's just bore. She makes statements about her plans to 'go back to school' so that she can provide for these children. Who takes care of the children while she's in school? What type of magic job does she have lined up that could possibly meet the needs of 14 children - some who are already known to be special needs and others who will very likely be found to have special needs of their own once they can be fully evaluated. I feel sorry for these children and do not see how their basic nurturing needs will be met by this person let alone any special needs they may have of a medical nature (which, by the way, will likely be life-long). I think Miss Suleman is fooling herself when she makes these statements about not receiving financial aid - the food stamps and the SS payments she is receiving for her special needs children currently are indeed aid. It sounds like her mother has bailed after begging Nadya and her doctors NOT to proceed with the in-vitro but having mom in the house helping to care for the 'original 6' was a form of aid. The money Nadya is expecting to pay for her continued education is aid. Who is paying for the initial hospital bills here? They've got to be in the 3 figures... don't see how an unemployed single mother of 6 - I mean 14 - can be covering those on her own. It's insane.

I think in-vitro is a medical miracle and blessing for anyone that suffers from fertility issues but the Dr. who performed all of these procedures on this particular person should be sanctioned. And maybe have to pay the medical bills for all 14 of these children over the next 20 years.

 

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This whole situation disgusts me. For one thing this Nadya Suleman has got to be one of the most narcisstic people I've heard speak. I didn't watch Dateline but I've been watching portions of the interviews on Today show and have been struck by the number of times she's referred to HER children and HER embryos and HER own childhood and HER feelings of lonliness at being an only child leading her to make the decision to have a large family. She is so far removed from reality I question her ability to be a proper mother to the 6 children she already had let alone the 8 she's just bore. She makes statements about her plans to 'go back to school' so that she can provide for these children. Who takes care of the children while she's in school? What type of magic job does she have lined up that could possibly meet the needs of 14 children - some who are already known to be special needs and others who will very likely be found to have special needs of their own once they can be fully evaluated. I feel sorry for these children and do not see how their basic nurturing needs will be met by this person let alone any special needs they may have of a medical nature (which, by the way, will likely be life-long). I think Miss Suleman is fooling herself when she makes these statements about not receiving financial aid - the food stamps and the SS payments she is receiving for her special needs children currently are indeed aid. It sounds like her mother has bailed after begging Nadya and her doctors NOT to proceed with the in-vitro but having mom in the house helping to care for the 'original 6' was a form of aid. The money Nadya is expecting to pay for her continued education is aid. Who is paying for the initial hospital bills here? They've got to be in the 3 figures... don't see how an unemployed single mother of 6 - I mean 14 - can be covering those on her own. It's insane.

I think in-vitro is a medical miracle and blessing for anyone that suffers from fertility issues but the Dr. who performed all of these procedures on this particular person should be sanctioned. And maybe have to pay the medical bills for all 14 of these children over the next 20 years.



Ding ding ding Folks we have a WINNAR! this woman creeps me out and i have to question her mental stableness.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2009 at 01:02 PM
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I just saw somewhere that she's getting government assistance


She's waiting for her portion of the 'stimulus' package.

The woman is a psycho. I saw her on TV this morning whining that people should mind their own business and let her raise her kids in peace. This she says on her THIRD DAY of national TV exposure.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2009 at 01:02 PM
She should be charged with neglect and endangering the welfare of a child - times 14.


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  posted on 2/11/2009 at 01:14 PM
In "backwards" countries, like China - the government pretty much mandates that you can't have over a certain number (2, I think) of children. They'd probably take this nutcase in for a complete removal of reproductive organs. To me, right now, in this case - that sounds perfectly sane!

Beyond her own personal financial woes that are going to come with having 14 children - doesn't she feel any remorse for what she is doing to our planet and society? Personally, I find having this many children to be very irresponsible!

What about her doctors? What the hell are they thinking giving fertility drugs to a single mother of 7? How do they think they're going to get paid? Oh! I forgot! Government bail-out!

 

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  posted on 2/11/2009 at 01:33 PM
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Beyond her own personal financial woes that are going to come with having 14 children - doesn't she feel any remorse for what she is doing to our planet and society? Personally, I find having this many children to be very irresponsible!



I'm with you on this one...... I'm 44 & made a choice long time ago that I would not bring kids in this world as long as I could not pay for them......

Plus ....the way I lived when I was in my teens up to 30's.......I always said " Ya'll do not want a little version of me runnin' round " LOl.......

She's a WACKO.........

 

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  posted on 2/11/2009 at 10:39 PM
she was on dr phil today also
i just cant bring myself to watch dr phil

 

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This whole situation disgusts me. For one thing this Nadya Suleman has got to be one of the most narcisstic people I've heard speak. I didn't watch Dateline but I've been watching portions of the interviews on Today show and have been struck by the number of times she's referred to HER children and HER embryos and HER own childhood and HER feelings of lonliness at being an only child leading her to make the decision to have a large family. She is so far removed from reality I question her ability to be a proper mother to the 6 children she already had let alone the 8 she's just bore. She makes statements about her plans to 'go back to school' so that she can provide for these children. Who takes care of the children while she's in school? What type of magic job does she have lined up that could possibly meet the needs of 14 children - some who are already known to be special needs and others who will very likely be found to have special needs of their own once they can be fully evaluated. I feel sorry for these children and do not see how their basic nurturing needs will be met by this person let alone any special needs they may have of a medical nature (which, by the way, will likely be life-long). I think Miss Suleman is fooling herself when she makes these statements about not receiving financial aid - the food stamps and the SS payments she is receiving for her special needs children currently are indeed aid. It sounds like her mother has bailed after begging Nadya and her doctors NOT to proceed with the in-vitro but having mom in the house helping to care for the 'original 6' was a form of aid. The money Nadya is expecting to pay for her continued education is aid. Who is paying for the initial hospital bills here? They've got to be in the 3 figures... don't see how an unemployed single mother of 6 - I mean 14 - can be covering those on her own. It's insane.

I think in-vitro is a medical miracle and blessing for anyone that suffers from fertility issues but the Dr. who performed all of these procedures on this particular person should be sanctioned. And maybe have to pay the medical bills for all 14 of these children over the next 20 years.



Ding ding ding Folks we have a WINNAR! this woman creeps me out and i have to question her mental stableness.


You betcha.

Wanna bet her lips are botoxed so she has that Angelina Jolie look-alike thing going on?

I think the Dr. should pay child support for all those kids.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 02:03 AM
She is a selfish human being who doesn't seem fit to be a mother to one child much less fourteen. She has a past with post pardon as well as depression. How can she possibly care for all of these special needs kids???

 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 09:00 AM
This woman is the perfect example of why indiscriminate reproduction is not good for society. It's almost criminal bringing more children into the world when you're ill-equipped and unable to provide for the ones you already have. Meanwhile, the rest of society will be providing for these children the rest of their lives. And the doctors at this fertility clinic also should be held accountable for their actions. Why is unlimited reproduction considered some sort of right to be abused by anyone who wishes?
 

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  posted on 2/12/2009 at 10:21 AM
if that was a middle aged blue collar man that had seven one night stands and it breed 14 kids, you bet youre @ss, he would either pay or be lockedup in county

 

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  posted on 2/13/2009 at 08:19 PM
It brings up many issues. If society wants to stop Dr.'s from helping indigent women have ivf treatments leading to pregnancy, then write a law which says that the Dr. who assists in the ivf is assisting in the the creation of the child and will therefore be held financially liable for supporting the child if and until the woman becomes solvent. Then you would see how few Dr.'s would engage in this practice.

One of the issues of course would be who is allowed to have children only financially solvent people? Then defining financial solvency.

The practice of ivf, and other fertility procedures is in my opinion unethical, unnatural, selfish and self serving with the providers of these services profiteering on the obsession of the childless people and/or couples. It is a rejection of God's will, which is that children be planned for in advance and are the outcome of a traditional marriage.

The traditional marriage concept would be problematic for society who does not even want to define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Society has deemed there are different types of relationsips and unions that are acceptable to it; so how then could society then regulate or legislate childbirth?

It all has to come back to beliefs, which are either religion inspired and defined or other wise defined (state).

My own opinion in this case is that if this woman had such maternal instincts and could not find a suitable husband, she could have applied for govt. grants and opened a day care center or boarding school for children, applied to become a foster parent once she got her own finances together or even considered adopting children who are already here and homeless (there are plenty in Gaza right now!).

 

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Won't address everything in your post, Gina, but there are many people out there who are more than able to care for children emotionally and financially for whom IVF is a blessing. I do not feel they should be deprived of this medical miracle. Transplanting 6 embryos at a time because you have a nut-case patient who wants you to is very irresponsible, though. Accounts I've read indicate that this is not an excepted practice amongst the IVF experts - especially when the split that produced 8 children from 6 eggs is not uncommon. I do not think this Dr. should be allowed to practice IVF. Period. Sounds like this incident has uncovered many other suspicous and/or unethical practices by this guy. It would also appear that Miss Suleman is unhinged. I would be all for NOT having Medicaid pay to impregnate looney-tunes, too. IVF is a blessing for many but I think this particular case points out some holes in the practice - both with physician accountability and with screening the people who are being treated.

[Edited on 2/14/2009 by lolasdeb]

 

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I understand what you are saying that many couples are financially and emotionally able to provide for children they create thru ivf, but I don't regard the practice as a blessing. I think of it as manipulating what should be God's creation. These childless couples could adopt a child already here and be parents if parenting is such a burning desire. It's more psychological than anything else to feel that they need to have one with their own genes or even half their genes. God grants children to couples when he wants to, but since Dr.'s have figured out the science of it (fertile time in a woman 14-17 day in their cycle) and that sperm can survive for 3 days in the tissue folds of a woman, and that acidic and alkaline environments as well as mucus viscosity effect the ability of the sperm to survive long enough to reach the egg, and that defects in the 3 parts of the sperm as well as their head shape effect motility (ability to swim; some are faster than others it's like the olympics in there), ever since they figured all that out, they have wanted to be able to create life; yet still knowing all this, knowing how the hormones can be manipulated to help the pregnancy occur, God is still the one who says yes or no, which is why all these ivf programs don't have better than 17-22% success rate. It is only with Gods nod of approval that it happens. With the low success rate one can figure out God is not in total agreement with, he only makes exceptions in certain cases. i wouldn't call it a blessing, I would call it a mercy from him in these cases. If he was in favor of it, success rate would be more in the 90% range.

 

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  posted on 2/14/2009 at 01:53 PM
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This will need to remain one of those areas where we agree to disagree, Gina. I don't see it as a manipulation of God's creation any more than I do much of other modern medicine ... I view all the healing that is available today through medicine to be a blessing.

 

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