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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 09:48 AM
Im really into the Betales now..I have loved their music for almost 20 years but now im having this Beatles crazyness again,for the first time in years..I got the "Anthology" dvd box some days ago and i have watched almost 2 discs by now..So amazing..

I wonder what you folks think of Beatles as a live band?As musicians?Singers? etc..
I think they where great live..As early as 62 they where a great live band IMO..
And those harmonies.. (much better than The Dead.)lol

 

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 10:08 AM
I imagine back when they were still playing the Cavern in Liverpool, and in their Hamburg days, they might have been a great live band, but after they got famous and Beatlemania hit, who knows? Screaming fans and inadquate PA systems made sure they you could never really hear the Beatles live, which is one of the big reasons the Beatles quit touring. One story that get's told is that during one Beatle concert, the screaming was so loud, that George Harrison started playing "Wooly Bully" and no one even noticed.

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 10:11 AM
I think they also got freaked out by the intensity of the fans and feared for their safety.

Their live stuff on TV from the latter years is pretty tight.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 10:33 AM
The best evidence of the Beatles' prowess as a live band is the LIVE AT THE STAR CLUB material. Although the sound quality was a little ragged (but listenable), it shows the Beatles playing with an incredible raw intensity. They also had an amazingly eclectic repetoir, performing many old rock n roll and R&B standards, as well as contemporary hits and a few of their own songs. Once the Beatles became popular, they no longer performed many of these songs. By the time they toured USA and the world, they were playing 20 minute sets, much to the annoyance of the Beatles themselves. In his 1970 Rolling Stone interview, John Lennon stated how much he and the others missed the club days, where they played for hours, and performed so many old songs. Luckily, thanks to one man in Germany, a portion of their club days was preserved on tape....

The Star Club recordings were made in December 1962 by the club's sound engineer Adrian Barber. He recorded several night's worth of shows on a portable reel to reel recorder, during the Beatles' final Hamburg stand. Eventually the tapes were given to one of the other performers, Ted Kingsize Taylor, who then gave it to manager Allan Williams, in order to get the material released. Whereas EMI considered the sound quality sub-par, and rejected the tapes for release, a smaller German label (Lingasong) eventually released *some* of the material on a double LP entitled THE BEATLES LIVE AT THE STAR CLUB IN HAMBURG GERMANY 1962 (1977).

The double LP went out of print quickly, but other semi-legitimate record companies continued to release this material in the early 80s and beyond. Eventually, in 2007, more recordings of the Hamburg '62 stand were released to traders. At present, there is a two-disc set of recordings that is making the rounds in traders' circles.

Here is the list of songs now in circulation (this was vined back in '08 by myself):

-DISC ONE-

1 BE BOP A LULA
2 I SAW HER STANDING THERE
3 HALELLUJAH I LOVE HER SO
4 RED HOT
5 SHIELA
6 KANSAS CITY/HEY HEY HEY HEY
7 SHIMMY SHAKE
8 REMINISCING
9 RED SAILS IN THE SUNSET
10 SWEET LITTLE SIXTEEN
11 ROLL OVER BEETHOVEN
12 A TASTE OF HONEY
13 ASK ME WHY
14 LONG TALL SALLY
15 BESAME MUCHO
16 I'M GONNA SIT RIGHT DOWN AND CRY OVER YOU
17 TWIST AND SHOUT
18 MR. MOONLIGHT
19 FALLING IN LOVE AGAIN
20 TALKING ABOUT YOU
21 I REMEMBER YOU

-DISC TWO-

1 NOTHING SHAKING BUT THE LEAVES ON THE TREES
2 I SAW HER STANDING THERE
3 TO KNOW HER IS TO LOVE HER
4 EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO BE MY BABY
5 TILL THERE WAS YOU
6 WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL MY LIFE
7 LEND ME YOUR COMB
8 YOUR FEET'S TOO BIG
9 TALKING ABOUT YOU
10 A TASTE OF HONEY
11 MATCHBOX
12 LITTLE QUEENIE
13 ROLL OVER BEETHOVEN
14 JAM (ROAD RUNNER)
15 HIPPY HIPPY SHAKE
16 A TASTE OF HONEY
17 MONEY (THAT'S WHAT I WANT)
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(Non Beatles tracks on tape source):
18 SPARKLING BROWN EYES (KINGSIZE TAYLOR)
19 LOVESICK BLUES (KINGSIZE TAYLOR)
20 FIRST TASTE OF LOVE (KINGSIZE TAYLOR)
21 DIZZY MISS LIZZIE (KINGSIZE TAYLOR)
22 HULLY GULLY (CLIFF BENNETT)

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 10:44 AM
Also, the Beatles complete BBC recordings are a good document of the eclecticity of their early repetoir. I have ten discs worth of their BBC material mostly recorded in 1963, but other stuff from 62, 64 and 65.

The Apple double CD released in the 90s only reveals a fraction of the recordings.
I am hoping to vine the ten discs at a later date. Someone on this forum PMd me about acquiring copies of the discs but somehow I accidentally deleted his PM message. Therefore I will see about getting the vine going.

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 10:57 AM
Yes, I was going to mention the BBC recordings. Although all of it isn't live (some later BBC performances include overdubs), but the stuff like "I'm Gonna Sit Right Down and Cry (Over You)" are live in studio performances and are really clear documents of how good they were live...

Also as someone who has actually completed the incredibly tedious task of listening to all the Nagra reels from January of 69, I must say after many weeks of mostly horrible musicianship, to hear how the pulled together in the last few days shows what great musicians they truly were...

Listen to the rooftop songs, especially things like "I've Got a Feeling" and "The One After 909"... Those are great later live documents with no repairs.

Lastly, I just want to say that really as far as pop/rock vocals go, the Beatles set the standard. And both John & Paul's lead vocals in the 60's (and beyond) were just amazing. And although many don't like Ringo's voice (my singer says "he's actually a very good singer, he just has an ugly voice"!) he could actually do certain things well and there are times that 4 part harmonies would work well with the band... Or unison singing as well.

But those 3 part harmonies with John on the low, George in the middle and Paul on top are just breath-taking. And SO consistantly good throughout their career. Even live (usually) too. Yes- the 1966 tour could be dreadful at times, but if you've seen the Anthology, you can understand why...

 

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 11:03 AM
As for their harmonies, just listen to the isolated acppella vocal track from Because....

 

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 12:00 PM
The Beatles 1964 at the Indiana State Fair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnbUXdnF40w

Too bad I was born in 1967.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 12:03 PM
They were indeed an excellent live band despite the aforementioned problems of bad sound systems and excessive screaming.

One exception is their 1966 performances in Japan. They were clearly exhausted and jet lagged and it shows. Its a shame because one of the gigs was filmed in color and they were performing more latter day songs like Day Tripper.

allmanfanfromsweden- procure John Lennon's Live Peace in Toronto. Ignore the side with Yoko screaming. Great performance by John despite stage fright.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 12:15 PM
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allmanfanfromsweden- procure John Lennon's Live Peace in Toronto. Ignore the side with Yoko screaming. Great performance by John despite stage fright.


And, little to no rehearsal, as well, except a bit of a run through of songs on the flight from London to Toronto. I think that Live Peace In Toronto performance of "Yer Blues" tops both the White album AND the Dirty Mac's Rock & Roll Circus versions.

 
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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 02:53 PM
hey..great with so many answers on my post..im gonna check out the "Hamburg" days more and the lennon toronto gig..

 

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 03:35 PM
Yes, I was going to mention the BBC recordings. Although all of it isn't live (some later BBC performances include overdubs), but the stuff like "I'm Gonna Sit Right Down and Cry (Over You)" are live in studio performances and are really clear documents of how good they were live...

THANK YOU GIRL FROM THE BBC SESSIONS IS PROBABLY THE BEST RACK FOR HARMONY. WHEN THEY SANG THEY BASICALLY WERE LIKE THE GUITAR SECTION OF THE ABB WITH 3 RATHER THAN 2 PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER. NOT A HUGE BEATLES FAN, BUT RE: 3 PART HARMONY NO ONE IS EVEN IN THE SAME LEAGUE

 

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Yes, I was going to mention the BBC recordings. Although all of it isn't live (some later BBC performances include overdubs), but the stuff like "I'm Gonna Sit Right Down and Cry (Over You)" are live in studio performances and are really clear documents of how good they were live...

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THANK YOU GIRL FROM THE BBC SESSIONS IS PROBABLY THE BEST RACK FOR HARMONY. WHEN THEY SANG THEY BASICALLY WERE LIKE THE GUITAR SECTION OF THE ABB WITH 3 RATHER THAN 2 PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER. NOT A HUGE BEATLES FAN, BUT RE: 3 PART HARMONY NO ONE IS EVEN IN THE SAME LEAGUE
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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 03:41 PM
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As for their harmonies, just listen to the isolated acppella vocal track from Because....
oh yes

 

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 03:43 PM
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Yes, I was going to mention the BBC recordings. Although all of it isn't live (some later BBC performances include overdubs), but the stuff like "I'm Gonna Sit Right Down and Cry (Over You)" are live in studio performances and are really clear documents of how good they were live...

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THANK YOU GIRL FROM THE BBC SESSIONS IS PROBABLY THE BEST RACK FOR HARMONY. WHEN THEY SANG THEY BASICALLY WERE LIKE THE GUITAR SECTION OF THE ABB WITH 3 RATHER THAN 2 PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER. NOT A HUGE BEATLES FAN, BUT RE: 3 PART HARMONY NO ONE IS EVEN IN THE SAME LEAGUE
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What about the Beach Boys-Pet Sounds?

I JUST DON'T VIEW THE BEACH BOYS AS A GROUP OF EQUALS (WITHIN THE GROUP ITSELF). BUT YES, THEIR HARMONY IS A CLOSE SECOND

 

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 04:44 PM
when i saw them,could'nt really hear them that well...but,judging from shows i have on dvd like Tokyo 6/30/66 & The famous Shea Stadium show,they were great.....again,esp. considering no monitor's to speak of....Ringo is just awesome on that Tokyo show....

 

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  posted on 2/6/2009 at 05:18 PM
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hey..great with so many answers on my post..im gonna check out the "Hamburg" days more and the lennon toronto gig..


The Lennon 1969 Toronto gig is available on DVD..I have it..
It's called JOHN LENNON and THE PLASTIC ONO BAND: SWEET TORONTO.
Excellent footage of Lennon, Clapton , White & Voorman

 

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