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Documents: Trainer discusses injecting Bonds
Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:12 PM EST
The Associated Press
By PAUL ELIAS

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) Court documents show Barry Bonds tested positive for three types of steroids, and his personal trainer once told his business manager in the Giants' clubhouse how he injected the slugger with performance-enhancing drugs "all over the place."

Prosecutors plan to use those 2000-2003 test results and other evidence, detailed in documents released Wednesday, at Bonds' trial next month to try to prove he lied when he told a federal grand jury in December 2003 that he never knowingly used steroids.

Bonds' attorneys want that evidence suppressed, and U.S. District Judge Susan Illston is to hear arguments Thursday on what to allow jurors to hear. Bonds' trainer Greg Anderson, who was jailed several times for refusing to answer questions before a grand jury, appears to be at the heart of the government's case. But his lawyer, Mark Geragos, said Anderson will again refuse to discuss Bonds if prosecutors call him to testify.

Also among the evidence made public were a positive test for amphetamines in 2006 in a urine sample Bonds gave to Major League Baseball; doping calendars Anderson maintained with the initials "BB" and a handwritten note seized from his house labeled "Barry" that appears to be a laundry list of steroids and planned blood tests; and a list of current and former major leaguers, including Jason Giambi, who are expected to testify at the March 2 trial.

The documents said that Steve Hoskins, Bonds' childhood friend and personal assistant, secretly tape-recorded a 2003 conversation with Anderson in the Giants' clubhouse because Hoskins wanted to prove to Bonds' father, Bobby Bonds, that his son was using steroids.

Anderson and Hoskins, who were near Bonds' locker, were discussing steroid injections, and at one point, they lowered their voices to avoid being overheard as players, including Benito Santiago, and others walked by, according to the documents.

Anderson: "No, what happens is, they put too much in one area, and ... actually ball up and puddle. And what happens is, it actually will eat away and make an indentation. And it's a cyst. It makes a big (expletive) cyst. And you have to drain it. Oh yeah, it's gnarly. ... Hi Benito. ... Oh it's gnarly."

Hoskins: "... Is that why Barry's didn't do it in one spot, and you didn't just let him do it one time?"

Anderson: "Oh no. I never. I never just go there. I move it all over the place."

Also during that conversation, Anderson told Hoskins that "everything that I've been doing at this point, it's all undetectable," according to the documents.

"See, the stuff that I have ... we created it," he was quoted as saying. "And you can't, you can't buy it anywhere. You can't get it anywhere else."

He added that he was unconcerned about Bonds testing positive because Marion Jones and other athletes using the same drugs had not been caught doping.

"So that's why I know it works. So that's why I'm not even trippin'. So that's cool," Anderson said, according to the transcript.

The San Francisco Chronicle first reported about a tape recording involving Anderson on Oct. 16, 2004, but did not identify the person he was speaking to.

Bonds attorneys argued that none of Anderson's statements outside of court should be admissible.

"If Anderson does not testify for the government, the truth of any statement he may (or may not) have made out of court cannot be so tested," lead Bonds attorney Allen Ruby wrote. "Mr. Bonds will be stripped of the opportunity to confront and cross-examine the most prejudicial but least reliable evidence against him."

Bonds and Hoskins had a nasty falling out after slugger went to the FBI with accusations Hoskins stole from him.

Three of Bonds' test results were seized in a 2003 raid on the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, the headquarters of a massive sports doping ring shut down by federal agents. Agents said they seized numerous results of blood and urine tests by Bonds, which prosecutors argue show that the slugger was intimately involved with BALCO.

Bonds lawyers moved to suppress 24 drug tests from 2000-06; more than two dozen drug calendars; BALCO log sheets; handwritten notes; opinion evidence on steroids, human growth hormone, THG, EPO and Clomid; witness descriptions of Bonds' "physical, behavioral and emotional characteristics" including acne on his back, testicle shrinkage, head size, hat size, hand size, foot size and sexual behavior recorded conversations that didn't include Bonds; and voice mails allegedly left by Bonds on the answering machine of former girlfriend Kimberly Bell.

Bonds' lawyers also want to prevent the jury from hearing evidence of at least four positive steroid tests they argue can't be conclusively linked to Bonds because of how they were processed.

According to records prosecutors took from BALCO, Bonds tested positive on three separate occasions in 2000 and 2001 for the steroid methenelone in urine samples; he also tested positive two of those three times for the steroid nandrolone.

A government-retained scientist, Dr. Don Catlin, also said he found evidence that Bonds used the designer steroid THG upon retesting a urine sample Bonds supplied as part of baseball's anonymous survey drug testing in 2003, when the designer drug was not yet detectable. Federal investigators seized them in 2004 from the private laboratory used by Major League Baseball before they could be destroyed, which the players were promised.

Catlin said the sample also tested positive for Clomid, a female fertility drug, and foreign testosterone.

Included in the evidence was a letter from baseball independent drug administrator Bryan Smith that Bonds tested positive for an amphetamine during a drug test on July 7, 2006, when Bonds hit a three-run homer at Dodger Stadium. There also was a letter from baseball commissioner Bud Selig to Bonds that Aug. 1 informing him of the positive test and telling him that he will be subject to six more tests over a one-year period.

The New York Daily News reported on that test on Jan. 11, 2007, saying Bonds attributed the positive test to a substance he had taken from teammate Mark Sweeney's locker.

The court documents also show that prosecutors plan to call to the witness stand Giambi, along with his brother and former major leaguer Jeremy Giambi. The government also plans to call Bobby Estalella, Marvin Benard and Santiago, all former teammates of Bonds and clients of Anderson.




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I am shocked! Barry cheated

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 11:25 PM
Well he does hold the record for the most *******HOME RUNS******

Of course people care. They care to see an asterisk next to his name in the record books.

 

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Well he does hold the record for the most *******HOME RUNS******

Of course people care. They care to see an asterisk next to his name in the record books.


I don't

 

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Well he does hold the record for the most *******HOME RUNS******

Of course people care. They care to see an asterisk next to his name in the record books.


That's the crux to the issue, at least for me. Now that his cheating has been proven, his records should be stricken and he should be ineligible for the HOF. I know others cheated, including some pitchers he faced, but it devalues the achievements of Aaron, Ruth, Mays, Mantle, Maris etc. to have his name ahead of theirs.

 

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Hey, I'm all for Barry taking whatever he has to take for this. However, to restore any faith in MLB whatsoever, they need to come completely clean about their complicity in all of it the entire time, and that includes McGwire, Sosa and everyone else. They knew about it, encouraged it and even marketed it ("Chicks dig the long ball"). Everyone needs to come clean, from Selig on down.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 10:09 AM
Barry is a bum !!!!!

We knew what he was when he played in Pittsburgh.
For all his stats........he was never a clutch player.
Could never depend on him when you needed the hit !

I`d like to see *** next to all the newbees

Then my Maris autograph, that I obtained from him in `67, would again be what it should be.

R.K.

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Hey, I'm all for Barry taking whatever he has to take for this.


The evidence would say he's already taken enough

 

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Hey, I'm all for Barry taking whatever he has to take for this.


The evidence would say he's already taken enough


True. I'm not sticking up for him. But for him to be the only fall guy is ridiculous.

 

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Hey, I'm all for Barry taking whatever he has to take for this. However, to restore any faith in MLB whatsoever, they need to come completely clean about their complicity in all of it the entire time, and that includes McGwire, Sosa and everyone else. They knew about it, encouraged it and even marketed it ("Chicks dig the long ball"). Everyone needs to come clean, from Selig on down.


Amen

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Hey, I'm all for Barry taking whatever he has to take for this.


The evidence would say he's already taken enough


True. I'm not sticking up for him. But for him to be the only fall guy is ridiculous.


I know, it was just an interesting choice of words..."taking whatever he has to take"

 

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Hey, I'm all for Barry taking whatever he has to take for this. However, to restore any faith in MLB whatsoever, they need to come completely clean about their complicity in all of it the entire time, and that includes McGwire, Sosa and everyone else. They knew about it, encouraged it and even marketed it ("Chicks dig the long ball"). Everyone needs to come clean, from Selig on down.


Amen

selective and racist punishing.


No, it's not racist or selective, at least on my part. First of all, the other cheaters don't hold records sacred to the sport. But, I want their names stricken as well. If Clemens is proven to have cheated, strip his Cy Youngs, every damn one, even the ones in Boston. Erase the stats of every player with any reasonable SUSPICION. I'd rather damn an innocent player than allow one actual cheater to have his name in the books.

Second, none of them has been as arrogant about their cheating as Bonds. In fact, none of them are as arrogant PERIOD and that's why it's so distasteful that this cheater should displace Hank Aaron - who, I would point out, is also African American and endured racial threats as he chased Ruth, making his achievement more impressive.

I agree that the sport itself turned a blind eye, even encouraged the players. Certainly the money and the attention did. But just because others are complicit and guilty in the situation doesn't make the players innocent and it doesn't justify their taking a place in the record books that rightfully belongs to another.

 

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Hey, I'm all for Barry taking whatever he has to take for this.


The evidence would say he's already taken enough


True. I'm not sticking up for him. But for him to be the only fall guy is ridiculous.


I know, it was just an interesting choice of words..."taking whatever he has to take"


Agreed.

 

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Hey, I'm all for Barry taking whatever he has to take for this. However, to restore any faith in MLB whatsoever, they need to come completely clean about their complicity in all of it the entire time, and that includes McGwire, Sosa and everyone else. They knew about it, encouraged it and even marketed it ("Chicks dig the long ball"). Everyone needs to come clean, from Selig on down.


Amen

selective and racist punishing.


No, it's not racist or selective, at least on my part. First of all, the other cheaters don't hold records sacred to the sport. But, I want their names stricken as well. If Clemens is proven to have cheated, strip his Cy Youngs, every damn one, even the ones in Boston. Erase the stats of every player with any reasonable SUSPICION. I'd rather damn an innocent player than allow one actual cheater to have his name in the books.

Second, none of them has been as arrogant about their cheating as Bonds. In fact, none of them are as arrogant PERIOD and that's why it's so distasteful that this cheater should displace Hank Aaron - who, I would point out, is also African American and endured racial threats as he chased Ruth, making his achievement more impressive.

I agree that the sport itself turned a blind eye, even encouraged the players. Certainly the money and the attention did. But just because others are complicit and guilty in the situation doesn't make the players innocent and it doesn't justify their taking a place in the record books that rightfully belongs to another.


when McGuire broke Marris record, no one complained.

But bonds?

not racist?

 

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Recently McGwire's brother came out and skewered him over steroid use. The reaction was insane - the brother is a bum, who would do that for money, what does the brother know, etc...

If the janitor in the Giants clubhouse came out and said that Bonds worshipped a stapler before every game, it would be sports-front page news accepted as fact immediately.

I'll admit it. I detest McGwire more. Bonds was always an a*****e. He was the one of the greatest ever before he took the juice and didn't have to cheat, but he did, which makes him one of the biggest idiots ever. It certainly didn't help that he hated the media and they hated him his entire career before that, but so it goes. However, McGwire always took the "high road" and had his teary-eyed moments with his son and the Maris family and everyone ate it up like apple pie. It was all horses**t, but, he gets no scorn.

 

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complaining about legitimacy of records is ludicrous

the balls get juiced
the players get juiced
the bats are juiced
fences get moved in in parks.

not all of this is recent history.

Everything about baseball records is bogus. put an asterisk on all of them.

That's why I rarely watch MLB they only care about what sells tickets.
that's why they turned a blind eye to the Bash Brothers.

but Barry joins the juicer club and now we have a problem, even congress gets involved.

Tell me how this is not racist?

 

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I'll bet Coot* is surprised too.


Shocked doesn't sum it up! These revelations are stunning! I don't believe them for a minute!

 

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Hey, I'm all for Barry taking whatever he has to take for this. However, to restore any faith in MLB whatsoever, they need to come completely clean about their complicity in all of it the entire time, and that includes McGwire, Sosa and everyone else. They knew about it, encouraged it and even marketed it ("Chicks dig the long ball"). Everyone needs to come clean, from Selig on down.


Amen

selective and racist punishing.


No, it's not racist or selective, at least on my part. First of all, the other cheaters don't hold records sacred to the sport. But, I want their names stricken as well. If Clemens is proven to have cheated, strip his Cy Youngs, every damn one, even the ones in Boston. Erase the stats of every player with any reasonable SUSPICION. I'd rather damn an innocent player than allow one actual cheater to have his name in the books.

Second, none of them has been as arrogant about their cheating as Bonds. In fact, none of them are as arrogant PERIOD and that's why it's so distasteful that this cheater should displace Hank Aaron - who, I would point out, is also African American and endured racial threats as he chased Ruth, making his achievement more impressive.

I agree that the sport itself turned a blind eye, even encouraged the players. Certainly the money and the attention did. But just because others are complicit and guilty in the situation doesn't make the players innocent and it doesn't justify their taking a place in the record books that rightfully belongs to another.


when McGuire broke Marris record, no one complained.

But bonds?

not racist?


I hated McGwire and Sosa too. I complained. I argued he should have been stripped for using Andro, just because baseball hadn't banned it, other sports had. I don't expect anyone here to know that I've been on this soapbox forever, but I have.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 02:32 PM
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complaining about legitimacy of records is ludicrous

the balls get juiced
the players get juiced
the bats are juiced
fences get moved in in parks.

not all of this is recent history.

Everything about baseball records is bogus. put an asterisk on all of them.

That's why I rarely watch MLB they only care about what sells tickets.
that's why they turned a blind eye to the Bash Brothers.

but Barry joins the juicer club and now we have a problem, even congress gets involved.

Tell me how this is not racist?


Because the other factors you cite represent an evolution over time and to state the obvious, they are LEGAL. Steroids are NOT. There is nothing racist about wanting Bonds to be publicly disgraced and taken out of the record books. He cheated, that's it.

I don't disagree that MLB, the media, the fans - all of it - enjoyed the excitement the HR chases brought. Certainly the ball, parks, strike zone, lack of inside pitching etc., are all geared toward more offense to stimulate a sport. But there is a big difference between institutional factors that help EVERY hitter and cheating which only helps the individual.

It's frankly offensive that you consider people that criticize Bonds to be racist. Those that know me know I am anything but and I don't appreciate you dismissing legitimate points as "racist".

 

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If Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro or any of these other cheaters are ever enshrined in the Baseball Hall of Fame the Hall will lose all credibility and I will never step foot in there again. If Pete Rose is kept out for gambling on his own team and denying it as a manager then the roid players who cheated during their playing careers shouldn't even be on any Hall of Fame ballot IMO.

 

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complaining about legitimacy of records is ludicrous

the balls get juiced
the players get juiced
the bats are juiced
fences get moved in in parks.

not all of this is recent history.

Everything about baseball records is bogus. put an asterisk on all of them.

That's why I rarely watch MLB they only care about what sells tickets.
that's why they turned a blind eye to the Bash Brothers.

but Barry joins the juicer club and now we have a problem, even congress gets involved.

Tell me how this is not racist?


Because the other factors you cite represent an evolution over time and to state the obvious, they are LEGAL. Steroids are NOT. There is nothing racist about wanting Bonds to be publicly disgraced and taken out of the record books. He cheated, that's it.

I don't disagree that MLB, the media, the fans - all of it - enjoyed the excitement the HR chases brought. Certainly the ball, parks, strike zone, lack of inside pitching etc., are all geared toward more offense to stimulate a sport. But there is a big difference between institutional factors that help EVERY hitter and cheating which only helps the individual.

It's frankly offensive that you consider people that criticize Bonds to be racist. Those that know me know I am anything but and I don't appreciate you dismissing legitimate points as "racist".


It's not racist if you have the same scorn for McGuire and Conseco as you do for Barry.

I am referring to MLB, and the Media as racist for the way Bonds gets treated with a double standard.
Not anyone posting a valid criticism of Barry. I am sorry if you took it that way.

My own feeling about Barry is he saw all the attention and money the bash brothers were getting and
wanted some of it also. Then the double standards emerge. Not really fair in my eyes.
I see the double standard as racist.

apologies to anyone that took it personally.




 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 02:47 PM
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complaining about legitimacy of records is ludicrous

the balls get juiced
the players get juiced
the bats are juiced
fences get moved in in parks.

not all of this is recent history.

Everything about baseball records is bogus. put an asterisk on all of them.

That's why I rarely watch MLB they only care about what sells tickets.
that's why they turned a blind eye to the Bash Brothers.

but Barry joins the juicer club and now we have a problem, even congress gets involved.

Tell me how this is not racist?


Last time I saw they dragged Mark McGwire and Roger Clemens into Congress and drilled them in front of the American public. Clemens is being investigated for perjury too.

Last time I looked both of those players are white. Is that also racist?????

The reason Bonds is getting picked on is because he is acts like he is above it all. He gets picked on because he was the most obvious user. People know that there is just no way for an aging baseball player whose numbers had started to decline all of a sudden to have the best statistical seasons of his all star career breaking all time records. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with cheating.

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complaining about legitimacy of records is ludicrous

the balls get juiced
the players get juiced
the bats are juiced
fences get moved in in parks.

not all of this is recent history.

Everything about baseball records is bogus. put an asterisk on all of them.

That's why I rarely watch MLB they only care about what sells tickets.
that's why they turned a blind eye to the Bash Brothers.

but Barry joins the juicer club and now we have a problem, even congress gets involved.

Tell me how this is not racist?


Last time I saw they dragged Mark McGwire and Roger Clemens into Congress and drilled them in front of the American public. Clemens is being investigated for perjury too.

Last time I looked both of those players are white. Is that also racist?????


because no one said or did anything about the Bash Brothers until Barry joined the juicer club.
That is how I see it. your mileage may vary.

 

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complaining about legitimacy of records is ludicrous

the balls get juiced
the players get juiced
the bats are juiced
fences get moved in in parks.

not all of this is recent history.

Everything about baseball records is bogus. put an asterisk on all of them.

That's why I rarely watch MLB they only care about what sells tickets.
that's why they turned a blind eye to the Bash Brothers.

but Barry joins the juicer club and now we have a problem, even congress gets involved.

Tell me how this is not racist?


Because the other factors you cite represent an evolution over time and to state the obvious, they are LEGAL. Steroids are NOT. There is nothing racist about wanting Bonds to be publicly disgraced and taken out of the record books. He cheated, that's it.

I don't disagree that MLB, the media, the fans - all of it - enjoyed the excitement the HR chases brought. Certainly the ball, parks, strike zone, lack of inside pitching etc., are all geared toward more offense to stimulate a sport. But there is a big difference between institutional factors that help EVERY hitter and cheating which only helps the individual.

It's frankly offensive that you consider people that criticize Bonds to be racist. Those that know me know I am anything but and I don't appreciate you dismissing legitimate points as "racist".


It's not racist if you have the same scorn for McGuire and Conseco as you do for Barry.

I am referring to MLB, and the Media as racist for the way Bonds gets treated with a double standard.
Not anyone posting a valid criticism of Barry. I am sorry if you took it that way.

My own feeling about Barry is he saw all the attention and money the bash brothers were getting and
wanted some of it also. Then the double standards emerge. Not really fair in my eyes.
I see the double standard as racist.

apologies to anyone that took it personally.







Your take on Bonds wanting some attention is accurate, at least to the extent that Game of Shadows by the Fainura-Wada and Williams of the SF Chronicle have it that way.

I do scorn EVERY suspected user, and I believe I'm colorblind about it. I'm a Yankee fan and really liked Clemens, even when he was a Red Sox player, but I hope he suffers the same fate as Bonds.

You're right that Bonds seems to be the one most under the gun now. But I think there are some legit reasons why. First, he does hold the biggest record, and many, like me, don't think he deserves it. Second, he's the biggest baseball player tied to Balco, and the feds have it in for Balco/Conte I'd guess because Conte fancied himself an innovator and bragged about being ahead of everyone trying to catch him. He "helped" some famous track stars as well (Marion Jones). Third, the writers from the SF Chronicle did Watergate type investigating and wrote article after article about it and lastly, there was a prosecutor out there who made it his business to take down Balco and its clients.

If anyone has ANY doubts about Bonds, I'd strongly suggest reading Game of Shadows. It's a quick read and very inciteful.

BTW, sorry I took your racist argument personally, I'm sure you meant no harm, I just really abhor the way steroids have forever altered the landscape of baseball.

 

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