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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 05:49 PM
A Letter to Our FansFrom Bruce Springsteen
Today at 3:48pm
A Letter to Our Fans:

We know there was much confusion regarding Ticketmaster and TicketsNow during last Monday's on-sale dates. We were as confused as you were, as we were given no advance notice of the major changes in the Ticketmaster-TicketsNow world. (Bear in mind that we are not clients of any ticketing company, and that all those arrangements are between venues and ticketing companies.)

Last Monday, we were informed that Ticketmaster was redirecting your log-in requests for tickets at face value, to their secondary site TicketsNow, which specializes in up-selling tickets at above face value. They did this even when other seats remained available at face value. We condemn this practice.

We perceive this as a pure conflict of interest. Ticketmaster is there to ensure that we have a good, fair sale of our tickets at their face value plus normal ticketing charges. TicketsNow is supposed to be a secondary site where people who already have tickets may exchange, trade, and, unfortunately, speculate with them. We have asked this redirection from Ticketmaster to TicketsNow cease and desist immediately and Ticketmaster has agreed to do so in the future and has removed its unwanted material from their and our site.

We know the many cynical arguments some make in favor of the Ticketmaster system: There are rumors that some artists or managers participate in Ticketmaster charges--we do not. There are rumors that some artists or managers are receiving a percentage of the amount above face value at secondary outlets like TicketsNow--we do not. Some artists or managers may not perceive there to be a conflict between having the distributor of their tickets in effect "scalping" those same tickets through a secondary company like TicketsNow--we do.

While many of you have sent notes to us and your local promoters, you may also send accurate informational letters to Albert Lopez of Ticketmaster [Albert.Lopez@ticketmaster.com] and he will try to address your questions.

A final point for now: the one thing that would make the current ticket situation even worse for the fan than it is now would be Ticketmaster and Live Nation coming up with a single system, thereby returning us to a near monopoly situation in music ticketing. Several newspapers are reporting on this story right now. If you, like us, oppose that idea, you should make it known to your representatives.

The abuse of our fans and our trust by Ticketmaster has made us as furious as it has made many of you. We will continue to do our utmost now and in the future to make sure that these practices are permanently curtailed on our tours.


[Edited on 2/4/2009 by moemoe6434]

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 06:03 PM
I was never a Bruce fan, but this certainly helps me have a lot of respect for the man...

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 06:25 PM
Yes, but remember (best freinds of Bruce's) Pearl Jam took TM all the way to Supreme court and lost..... It ended up hurting their career b/c the labels were in cahoots with cooperate TM.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 06:30 PM
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Yes, but remember (best freinds of Bruce's) Pearl Jam took TM all the way to Supreme court and lost..... It ended up hurting their career b/c the labels were in cahoots with cooperate TM.



Well, a one-shot like that can fail. We need the Bruce fans to combine with the ABB/Dead fans and the parents of the Hannah Montana fans and NOT LET UP.

 

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Yes, but remember (best freinds of Bruce's) Pearl Jam took TM all the way to Supreme court and lost..... It ended up hurting their career b/c the labels were in cahoots with cooperate TM.



Well, a one-shot like that can fail. We need the Bruce fans to combine with the ABB/Dead fans and the parents of the Hannah Montana fans and NOT LET UP.


And Phish fans.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 06:59 PM
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I was never a Bruce fan, but this certainly helps me have a lot of respect for the man...
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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 07:15 PM
Has ABB made a similar post.

I do have a lot of respect for Bruce S. based on his position on TM/TicketsNow. The situation is different than with Pearl Jam. We now have TicketsNow to deal with.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 07:21 PM
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Has ABB made a similar post.

I do have a lot of respect for Bruce S. based on his position on TM/TicketsNow. The situation is different than with Pearl Jam. We now have TicketsNow to deal with.


It is not different at all.... Back then, TM was the ONLY player in the game. They could charge whatever they wanted in fees. In effect, they were scalping EVERYONE in smaller doses. Back then they took smaller increments but spread it out over every snigle ticket sold in the country.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 07:31 PM
Never understood how they blatantly get away with this.

Unethical bastids

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 08:23 PM
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Yes, but remember (best freinds of Bruce's) Pearl Jam took TM all the way to Supreme court and lost..... It ended up hurting their career b/c the labels were in cahoots with cooperate TM.



Please explain how this hurt Pearl Jam??? One of the biggest bands in the world!! Also,Pearl Jam has presales for their fan club before TM onsales. These seats are usually the best in the house. And they set up a system where ticket holders from the presales have to pick up their tickets at the window.

Nice letter by Bruce. Since he's a man for change, he should really show how upset he is with ticketmaster. He should cancel his tour. OnceTM gives out the refunds, Bruce should reschedule the same exact dates and make sure that TM sells the tix correctly.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 08:30 PM
Wonder what percentage of ticket sales (face value) that Bruce gets for a show, and whether or not that leave the promoter enough margin to make a reasonable profit without shifting tickets off to a secondary market? You notice that none of the artists (Springsteen, Allmans, Dead, whoever) will ever mention that, when they're laying the blame.
 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 08:53 PM
JimmyR, as I recall, Pearl Jam played more obscure venues to avoid dealing with Ticketmaster.

You might say it has been their actual music that has hurt their popularity, but they are not the big band they were 12 years ago.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 09:01 PM
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Yes, but remember (best freinds of Bruce's) Pearl Jam took TM all the way to Supreme court and lost..... It ended up hurting their career b/c the labels were in cahoots with cooperate TM.



Please explain how this hurt Pearl Jam??? One of the biggest bands in the world!! Also,Pearl Jam has presales for their fan club before TM onsales. These seats are usually the best in the house. And they set up a system where ticket holders from the presales have to pick up their tickets at the window.

Nice letter by Bruce. Since he's a man for change, he should really show how upset he is with ticketmaster. He should cancel his tour. OnceTM gives out the refunds, Bruce should reschedule the same exact dates and make sure that TM sells the tix correctly.


While you are correct in the long term, they fought back hard and long.... During and immediately after the hearings they went on tours that only included venues that would allow them to use a independant ticket sales company sell tickets.... There were not many (any?) large venues that did not have exclusive TM sales back then.

As result, they played to smaller audiences and were promoted less and less because their mega-million dollar record label was pissed at them. They really about fell off the radar around the whole "No Code" era, fan base dropped significantly, did not play as many large venue shows, etc.

I have followed them their whole career and it has been an interesting ride of ups and downs. Yep, the 10Club is probably the best run fanclub in existance but you wonder what they had to give up to TM for the ability to provide that service on their own.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 09:08 PM
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JimmyR, as I recall, Pearl Jam played more obscure venues to avoid dealing with Ticketmaster.

You might say it has been their actual music that has hurt their popularity, but they are not the big band they were 12 years ago.


Pearl Jam is an interesting story for many reasons. But to simplify it, they tried and failed. They found out how hard that was and how much it cost and lost in the end. But I admire that they tried. As Jim mentioned, they played different venues and different promoters and it wasn't pretty. So many issues that were mishandled.

At the time I think it cost them exposure and a level of popularity. But the strange thing about them is that although they may not seem as big as they were. They went a different route and have created their own "Deadlike" following. They sell tons of tickets still and they move a ton of product. Pioneers of selling their shows. Change the setlist nightly that way fans get to know the entire catelog of songs. I think their moves gave them a sustained career at a higher level for a longer period of time. Plus I respect that they have at least tried things. Sell out immediately up here still.

As sibwlkr metions, it is funny how people all talk about the TM charges but not about the artist. It is nice of Bruce to speak up and I admire him for it. But I would personally admire him more for not trying to make more than many nations on one tour. No need for tickets starting at those prices by him or any other artist. Not picking on Bruce as many artists just charge too much for a night's worth of music.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2009 at 09:08 PM
Good point about Pearl Jam, but, Eddie Vedder is not Bruce Springsteen.

Hopefully he'll not waste any more time with the pressure. After the halftime show, he's riding alot of momentum at the moment.

 

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Wonder what percentage of ticket sales (face value) that Bruce gets for a show, and whether or not that leave the promoter enough margin to make a reasonable profit without shifting tickets off to a secondary market? You notice that none of the artists (Springsteen, Allmans, Dead, whoever) will ever mention that, when they're laying the blame.


This is true, but they also have to pay for the use of the venue, which is really expensive, hiring a road crew to put up the equipment so that we [the fans] can have an awesome show. I don't like paying exorbitant prices for tickets, but it is not just the artist cashing in. Inflation unfortunately happens, so I really don't think the price of tickets rest entirely upon the artists pocketbook. Remember, The Grateful Dead rarely turned a profit on their juggernaut. As for Bruce, I think this is a very admirable thing to do and more artists should do something similar, to fight the evils of corporate scum like Ticktbastard. Which do nothing but offer a small service and charge entirely too much in "processing" and in"convenience" fees. However, they did offer a simple way of purchasing tickets, before this whole Ticketsnow fiasco. I am not defending them but it sure beats camping out in 20 degree temperatures to score good seats!

 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 07:35 AM
The price of tickets has far surpassed any inflation rate for fuel, transportation, venues or crew. All of these costs do not double or triple each year yet ticket prices continue to climb while some artists test how much people will actually pay.

Complain all you want about the service charges but the artists are taking much more from your pockets. I believe artists are entitled to make a living. I just don't think every show needs to be like winning a lottery for them.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 09:59 AM
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We need the Bruce fans to combine with the ABB/Dead fans and the parents of the Hannah Montana fans and NOT LET UP.


This is providing me really hilarious imagary of a protest rally with all these participants.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 10:11 AM
and ticketmaster responds...


http://www.pollstar.com/blogs/news/archive/2009/02/04/646941.aspx

ok i am alitte slow...so if this is true...how does ticketsnow have the ability to post these tickets...with in seconds after the shows go on sale...??

please help this poor fellow.....thanks

 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 10:22 AM
Has anyone checked prices for first 10 ABB shows on Ticketsnow? Did they drop in value after additional shows added?

I would think there will be some deals on ticketsnow for ABB fans in a few weeks.

Just wish and I only wish this once a year that I lived closer to NYC

 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 10:43 AM
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http://www.pollstar.com/blogs/news/archive/2009/02/04/646941.aspx


"...we did not give brokers any preferential access to tickets."

Whatever.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 11:23 AM
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http://www.pollstar.com/blogs/news/archive/2009/02/04/646941.aspx


"...we did not give brokers any preferential access to tickets."

Whatever.

I believe this is a point-blank lie.
I believe they sold ALL the tickets to their affiliate, TicketsNow. And none to the public.

Sadly, we don't have the clout to get the proper attention focused on this situation.
Bruce, however, does. It's going to be interesting to watch this play out. I believe Ticketmaster shot themselves in the foot when they messed with Bruce. I hope so.

We got along fine without Ticketmaster before they came around, I look forward to their demise. Buy tickets directly from the venues. Most have websites that can handle it, and it was kinda' fun waiting in line back in the day. It would be an improvement over the current situation. No middle man needed.

 
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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 12:02 PM
it is a sad state of affairs...i think the only way to fight it is not to go...

 

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  posted on 2/5/2009 at 12:47 PM
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ok i am alitte slow...so if this is true...how does ticketsnow have the ability to post these tickets...with in seconds after the shows go on sale...??
That would be the 64 Thousand Dollar question. That and how is TM not breaking antitrust laws with their TicketsNow enterprise and possible purchase of LiveNation.

 

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