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GOP leaders doubt stimulus bill will pass Senate

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republicans suggested overhauling the Senate's stimulus proposal because they said it doesn't pump enough into the private sector through tax cuts but allows Democrats to go on a spending spree unlikely to jolt the economy.

"When I say start from scratch, what I mean is that the basic approach of this bill, we believe, is wrong," said Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the No. 2 Republican. He added that he was seeing an erosion of support for the bill.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said he doubted the Senate would pass the bill, contending that Democrats as well as Republicans were uneasy with it. He renewed a Republican complaint that Democrats had not been as bipartisan in writing the bill as Obama had said he wanted.

"I think it may be time ... for the president to kind of get a hold of these Democrats in the Senate and the House, who have rather significant majorities, and shake them a little bit and say, 'Look, let's do this the right way,'" McConnell said. "I can't believe that the president isn't embarrassed about the products that have been produced so far."

Democrats defended their almost $819 billion version of President Barack Obama's stimulus plan, which is set for debate this week, and said they were open to considering changes by Republicans. But they said the unrelentingly bleak economic news demanded action.

"We cannot delay this," said Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the Democrats' No. 2 leader. "We can't engage in the old political rhetoric of saying, 'Well, maybe it could be a little bit better here and a little bit better there.' We've got to pull together."

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., agreed that more could be done in the area of housing, though he said tapping money in the separate financial bailout fund would be a more likely way to pay for mortgage relief.

Under Obama's plan, strained state budgets would receive a cash infusion, projects for roads and other infrastructure would be funded, and "green jobs" in the energy sector would be created. In its centerpiece tax cut, single workers would gain $500 and couples $1,000, even if they don't earn enough to owe federal income taxes.

Among the major changes Kyl said would be needed to gain Republican support in the Senate was the tax rebate for individuals and couples, which he criticized as going to too many people who didn't pay the tax to start with. He also criticized the bill for seeking to create nearly three dozen government programs and giving states far more money than they need.

Durbin argued that $1 out of every $3 in the bill goes to tax cuts and defended it as aimed at helping working families. While he contended that Democrats were "very open" to Republican proposals, he cited only what he said were calls for more money in job-creating public works projects, typically a Democratic priority.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., characterized the proposal as "a spending plan. It's not a stimulus plan. It's temporary, and it's wasteful."

 

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The Republicans are risking further marginalization and minority status by blocking an ecomonic recovery...I guess the last 2 federal elections (where they got their ass kicked) didn't send them enough of a message.
It's interesting that REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS are urging Obama to pass the stimulus AS IS.

[Edited on 2/2/2009 by woodsdweller]

 

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Typical GOP obstructionism.

 

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interesting website..... thanks woodsdweller

 

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truthout.org

 

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First-of-Its Kind Study: Medicare for All (Single-Payer) Reform Would Be Major Stimulus for Economy with 2.6 Million New Jobs, $317 Billion in Business Revenue, $100 Billion in Wages

Establishing a national single-payer style healthcare reform system would provide a major stimulus for the U.S. economy by creating 2.6 million new jobs, and infusing $317 billion in new business and public revenues, with another $100 billion in wages into the U.S. economy, according to the findings of a groundbreaking study released today. It may be viewed at www.CalNurses.org.

The number of jobs created by a single-payer system, expanding and upgrading Medicare to cover everyone, parallels almost exactly the total job loss in 2008.

 

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http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/press-releases/2009/january/nurses-to -congress-expanding-medicare-could-reverse-job-losses-and-repair-our-broken -healthcare-system-and-safety-net.html

 

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“If I could flip a lever tomorrow and enact HR676, it is undoubtedly the way for the United States to go," said Hickel. "It is a matter of political will and what is right for the nation.”



 

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The Republicans are risking further marginalization and minority status by blocking an ecomonic recovery...I guess the last 2 federal elections (where they got their ass kicked) didn't send them enough of a message.
It's interesting that REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS are urging Obama to pass the stimulus AS IS.

[Edited on 2/2/2009 by woodsdweller]


This is NOT an economic recovery by any stretch of the imagination. It's the BarryO administration paying back them what brung 'em to the party and I DON'T mean the ignoramous' who voted for him. This 'stimulus bill' is a dee-lux democrat pork platter with all the trimmings and SHOULD be voted down. There's a reason why it's losing more support everyday. The people are getting hip to the fact it's a scam.

 

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The Republicans are risking further marginalization and minority status by blocking an ecomonic recovery...I guess the last 2 federal elections (where they got their ass kicked) didn't send them enough of a message.
It's interesting that REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS are urging Obama to pass the stimulus AS IS.

[Edited on 2/2/2009 by woodsdweller]


This is NOT an economic recovery by any stretch of the imagination. It's the BarryO administration paying back them what brung 'em to the party and I DON'T mean the ignoramous' who voted for him. This 'stimulus bill' is a dee-lux democrat pork platter with all the trimmings and SHOULD be voted down. There's a reason why it's losing more support everyday. The people are getting hip to the fact it's a scam.


Losing support from whom? The GOP? They never intended to support it no matter what. You are simply parroting the lies and disinformation the GOP is spreading.

 

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This is NOT an economic recovery by any stretch of the imagination.


Well, maybe not to the Dittoheads and Hannity crowd.



 

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This 'stimulus bill' is a dee-lux democrat pork platter with all the trimmings and SHOULD be voted down.


I dont know how you can say that when they have given the Republicans everything they have asked for so far. Beyond that, I keep hearing about all this "pork". Can we talk about some examples of this? Anyone?

 

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This 'stimulus bill' is a dee-lux democrat pork platter with all the trimmings and SHOULD be voted down.


I dont know how you can say that when they have given the Republicans everything they have asked for so far. Beyond that, I keep hearing about all this "pork". Can we talk about some examples of this? Anyone?


The Dems have also done a fair amount of compromising. The bill passed the House, then it went over to the Senate where it's getting more scrutiny and may end up looking very different than the one that was sent over before it goes to a vote.

You know, how Congress works and all that.

 

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I dont know how you can say that when they have given the Republicans everything they have asked for so far. Beyond that, I keep hearing about all this "pork". Can we talk about some examples of this? Anyone?


I was going to respond to the poster and say pretty much exactly what Squatch says here...so, what are some examples of pork? Something that would not create jobs is pork in this instance. But whatever is claimed is pork would do just fine and we can see if it creates jobs or not. For all that have repeated the assertion that this is nothing but pork, list the item and show how it is pork and does not work as stimulus.

 

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Full text of the Bill as passed by the House here...

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:2:./temp/~c1119SnHF7:e4079:

 

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I dont know how you can say that when they have given the Republicans everything they have asked for so far. Beyond that, I keep hearing about all this "pork". Can we talk about some examples of this? Anyone?


I was going to respond to the poster and say pretty much exactly what Squatch says here...so, what are some examples of pork? Something that would not create jobs is pork in this instance. But whatever is claimed is pork would do just fine and we can see if it creates jobs or not. For all that have repeated the assertion that this is nothing but pork, list the item and show how it is pork and does not work as stimulus.





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Dick must not have written a breakdown yet. Or Rush. Shouldn't be too hard. Bhawk has the link very handy. I've been reading it, lots of jobs there.

 

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Here's something from CNN on what has been identified as "wasteful"

• $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.

• A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.

• $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.

• $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship).

• $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.

• $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.

• $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.

• $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD's.

• $1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.

• $125 million for the Washington sewer system.

• $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.

• $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion.

• $75 million for "smoking cessation activities."

• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.

• $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI.

• $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.

• $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.

• $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.

• $6 billion to turn federal buildings into "green" buildings.

• $500 million for state and local fire stations.

• $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.

• $1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job programs.

• $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.

• $412 million for CDC buildings and property.

• $500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland.

• $160 million for "paid volunteers" at the Corporation for National and Community Service.

• $5.5 million for "energy efficiency initiatives" at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.

• $850 million for Amtrak.

• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.

• $75 million to construct a "security training" facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.

• $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.

• $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/02/gop.stimulus.worries/index.html

 

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Without specifics, that list is pretty meaningless.

 

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Even without specifics, it shows 1000s of jobs being created. Just that little list. I guess the GOP is against jobs, but then, they are more interested in the rich and less so about workers. I don't think that is a controversial statement at all, just the way it is. What is more disturbing to me is their desire to run America into the ground. While they were in power, they did a great job of that. Nothing's changed, except the people of America have pretty adamantly rejected that philosophy of governance and recognized the failure of conservatism.

 

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The digital converter box program has deeper implications that one might realize. You cut off news sources for millions of people and you're on the way to controling the information. I don't see much wrong with most of that list.....buying hybrid government cars would save the taxpayers money.....create a market for the car related industries which put people to work. What's wrong with that?

 

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Typical GOP obstructionism.


Call it whatever you want. But, the fact is that only 38% of the public wants this bill passed as it's been proposed (Gallup).

 

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..buying hybrid government cars would save the taxpayers money..


Here's a look at how they handle the car fleet they have now....Sickening.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/31/us-governments-car-fleet_n_116229. html

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Typical GOP obstructionism.


Call it whatever you want. But, the fact is that only 38% of the public wants this bill passed as it's been proposed (Gallup).


How many of those polled even know whats in the bill? Hell theres people here that cant list what the "pork" is after being asked to do so.

 

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