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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 09:36 AM
I just read where Bruce was "called out" by his own fans about signing an exclusive record deal with the Evil Empire (a.k.a. Wally World) . I've also read in others' posts on Mr. Springsteen that lately , he's laid off on the customary pre-show sermons and rants that had become as much a part as one of his concerts as the music people paid good money to hear . Is it possible that he has realized his own hypocrisy ?

I personally don't have a problem with a band signing this type of deal with a major retailer , although it sure seems like a desperate move on the part of the artist(s) , right Angus and Malcolm ? . But it's probably a good idea to check with your personal assistant first , and make sure you haven't taken shots at your new business partner on it's labor practices . I think Wal Mart is every bit as good as it is bad , I'm neither an advocate or critic of it . Hey Bruce , make all the money you want , it's the American way ... just be careful not to step in your own verbal feces .

 
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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 09:56 AM
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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 09:58 AM
I have to agree. If signing an exclusive record deal with WalMart isn't selling out, I don't know what is.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:06 AM
Now I hate Wal-mart...but,

ever been to Fitzgerald, GA? My parents live there in retirement on the small farm my dad grew up on.

the ultra super wallmart has killed every thing else...so until the paradigm shifts - only game in town.

lots of places like Fitzgerald, unfortunately.

Me? I buy music through the air now with the 0's and 1's.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:12 AM
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Now I hate Wal-mart...but,

ever been to Fitzgerald, GA? My parents live there in retirement on the small farm my dad grew up on.

the ultra super wallmart has killed every thing else...so until the paradigm shifts - only game in town.

lots of places like Fitzgerald, unfortunately.

Me? I buy music through the air now with the 0's and 1's.


I live 45 minutes southwest of Fitzgerald in Moultrie , Ga . , which is equally small . My shop is situated directly accross from "The Moultrie Mall" which consists of Wal Mart , Game Stop , and yes , of course , a chinese feeding trough buffet restaurant . The wife and I are going to Tallahassee tonight for our once-a-month night off from our little princesses . I always load up on music at Vinyl Fever when we head down there .

[Edited on 1/31/2009 by squabs217]

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:17 AM
aig, my parents grew up in the country around Ocilla, the next town over from Fitzgerald. My uncle was living there when he died, and is buried in Fitzgerald. I was born in Ocilla. I worked in Fitzgerald for a few weeks at the Delco-Remy plant in the late 70s. Stayed at the Lee-Grant Hotel for $20 a week.

There are many, many towns in the U.S. where WalMart did what they did in Fitzgerald. I was working on a job in Mississippi in the mid 80s, and read an article in the paper about the exact thing. WalMart coming into a town, and putting the local shops out of business, then deciding the store wasn't profitable enough, and shutting it down, after driving other businesses to close first.

I got no use for WalMart. But it has made the Waltons the wealthiest people in the country, so I guess it worked for them.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:21 AM
I can't go into a Walmart. If I do it sucks all the energy out of me and I have to rest in bed the remainder of the day. I'm not kidding...ask my wife.
 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:31 AM
I definitely understand the whole "Wal Mart kills mom & pop stores" argument . However, in my little town I can't think of one of them that didn't have it coming to them . They'd been laying it to us long before Wal Mart showed up . The main problem that I have with the heirs of Sam Walton is that as soon as they threw dirt on his casket , the "Buy American" campaign was discarded like week-old anchovies .

Back to my original point , I wonder if 'ol Bruce would share his slice of the pie with the folks Wal Mart exploits ? Probably not I guess , that money would be better spent on life jackets for polar bears due to the melting polar ice cap .

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:31 AM
People vote with their pocketbooks, and it's been proven that they like low prices. The mom and pop stores didn't close the day Wal Mart came into town and nobody was forced to shop at Wal Mart at that stage. When faced with the decision to go to the mom and pop store or the Wal Mart, most chose low prices. Is that Wal Mart's fault?

That being said, I rarely go into one. I prefer to spread the money around. I'm voting with my pocketbook.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:42 AM
I have to say I was disappointed with Springsteen for making this deal with Wal-Mart given Bruce's stances on unions, workingman and such.
 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:44 AM
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People vote with their pocketbooks, and it's been proven that they like low prices. The mom and pop stores didn't close the day Wal Mart came into town and nobody was forced to shop at Wal Mart at that stage. When faced with the decision to go to the mom and pop store or the Wal Mart, most chose low prices. Is that Wal Mart's fault?

That being said, I rarely go into one. I prefer to spread the money around. I'm voting with my pocketbook.


WalMart takes advantage of those too dumb to realize that even though they save a few dollars, they are assisting in destroying the souls of their communities.

There are no WalMarts in Santa Cruz, and I think I can safely say there never will be.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:46 AM
Hate to say it, but if you're Major Recording Artist and you want those Gold and Platinum sales to keep coming in, then you're inking deals with corporate retailers such as Wal-mart, Best Buys, Target, ect. Most of your stand alone "record stores" have either gone out of business, or will be doing so shortly. Also, the majority of the people who would buy a recording by artists like Springsteen, are more likely to want to buy copy of the CD than do a "download". Truth be told, if the Allman Brothers Band EVER put out a new CD, chances are they'll be "signing on" to corportate retailer.

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:49 AM
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Is it possible that he has realized his own hypocrisy ?



Could be, but he's also almost 60. Everyone mellows with age.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:50 AM
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Hate to say it, but if you're Major Recording Artist and you want those Gold and Platinum sales to keep coming in, then you're inking deals with corporate retailers such as Wal-mart, Best Buys, Target, ect. Most of your stand alone "record stores" have either gone out of business, or will be doing so shortly. Also, the majority of the people who would buy a recording by artists like Springsteen, are morely to want to buy copy of the CD than do a "download". Truth be told, if the Allman Brothers Band EVER put out a new CD, chances are they'll be "signing on" to corportate retailer.


If the Allman Brothers ever signed a deal to have an album sold only in WalMart, that is one album I'll never own.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 11:03 AM
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Hate to say it, but if you're Major Recording Artist and you want those Gold and Platinum sales to keep coming in, then you're inking deals with corporate retailers such as Wal-mart, Best Buys, Target, ect. Most of your stand alone "record stores" have either gone out of business, or will be doing so shortly. Also, the majority of the people who would buy a recording by artists like Springsteen, are more likely to want to buy copy of the CD than do a "download". Truth be told, if the Allman Brothers Band EVER put out a new CD, chances are they'll be "signing on" to corportate retailer.

[Edited on 1/31/2009 by sibwlkr]
One of Wal-mart's tactics is to not carry your product if you don't meet their conditions, price, exclusivity. I'm not saying Bruce's exclusive deal with Wal-mart had that stipulation, but I wouldn't be surprised.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 11:08 AM
Well Allen,

Derek Truck's didn't seem to have any problem signing a deal with Best Buys, which allowed people to buy his new CD for $9.99 with 3 bonus tracks. Of course you could have bought the CD at other locations, but you would have paid $15.99 and no bonus tracks. So where do you think most of the people bought the CD from? My guess is Best Buys.

Which brings up the question, what really is the difference between Wal-mart and Best Buys, Target, Lowe's or any other "Big Box" store? The answer is, there is no difference, the mindset of management and the business practices at these stores is essentially the same. These stores all destroy the "Mom and Pop" type of stores, simiply because their sales are of such volume, that they can keep their prices low, and there is no way the "Mom and Pop" stores can compete.

Bottom line, if you don't shop Wal-mart because of their business practices, then you really shouldn't shopping the other "Big Box" stores. To do so would be hypocritical. Of course, the reality is, in a lot of cases, there is no other choices.

Like it or not, it's a part of the "corporatization" of America. Less Freedom, Fewer Choices.

Sad, ain't it.


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The exodus of high end recording artists away from traditional distribution and into exclusive agreements is all about retaining rights to one’s master recordings and royalties. Those who can afford to forge agreements while circumventing the labels will gladly do so.

WalMart has issues, obviously, but when it comes to the goal - the most extensive retail source possible - it comes down to Springsteen’s operation (band, road crew, business affiliates, management, etc.) making an effort to create its own business entity outside of the label points system. Retailer exclusivity - regardless of the retailer - is a declaration of independence from the label system.



Which is better, for an artist to create a business system where the artist is able to have control over "one’s master recordings and royalties" even if if means for distribution puposes they have to 'strike deals" with business entities such as Wal-mart or to retain the traditional label system where the record label takes care of things such as distribution and sales, but at the price of the artist having to ceded control of one's "master recordings" and royality rates, and even artistic judgement to the record label? Truth be told, more and more artists, especially those who are established, are going the independent business route. It's the only way they can have full control and ownership over their master recordings. Anybody that knows the history of Allman Brothers Band knows that one of "big issues" with the band is over who owns and control their Capricorn recordings and thus what royalty rate the band get's on these recordings. Which leads me to believe if the ABB ever release a "new" CD that they will do so, as independent artist not tied to a particular label, and that they will cut their own deal as far as distribution, royalty rates, ect.

 

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Hate to say it, but if you're Major Recording Artist and you want those Gold and Platinum sales to keep coming in, then you're inking deals with corporate retailers such as Wal-mart, Best Buys, Target, ect. Most of your stand alone "record stores" have either gone out of business, or will be doing so shortly. Also, the majority of the people who would buy a recording by artists like Springsteen, are more likely to want to buy copy of the CD than do a "download". Truth be told, if the Allman Brothers Band EVER put out a new CD, chances are they'll be "signing on" to corportate retailer.

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Amen.


The closest thing we have to a "record store" is Walmart.

If I go another 5 miles, the mall has a FYE.

The Circuit City across the street from the mall is closing, like evry CC nation-wide.

Where else should I buy music?

I prefer having a physical product over a download for commercial stuff.

I want artwork, liner notes, all the stuff you used to get on LP's.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 03:36 PM
Luckily, we still have small independent music stores here in Massachusetts and I try to support them as much as possible (Newbury Comics, Turn it Up, Music Outlet). Best Buy's selection has deteriorated over the years as they try to focus on selling electronic gizmos. I can't figure out why Springsteen would even put out another Greatest Hits as he already has a bunch of compilations, and the Wal-Mart exclusive is even more questionable...there's no new tracks on it or anything. It's a pretty lame compilation. The most extreme example of an artist letting Wal-Mart handle his/her products is Garth Brooks, who let them sell ALL of his albums exclusively. I'll drag my ass into the Big Box stores only if the product is an absolute "must-have" exclusive product that I can't get anywhere or through mail-order (or better yet, Burn a copy of it from someone so I don't have to set foot in Wal-Mart).


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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 04:11 PM
The only grocery store we have in Skan. is a regional chain called P&C.

For years they have been employee unfriendly, very similar policies to the evil Walmart.

P & C doesn't carry Pace picante sauce anymore.

When they did have it, it was at least .50 more than Walmart.

The difference in cereal and cookies is at least $1 per box or bag.

Same with cheese, deli meat, chips, butter, and on and on.

I can either pay more in town and not get the items I want, or go 7 miles to Walmart and get the brands I want at a much better price.

As for the mom & pop idea, I live in a town that is geared to tourists.

90% of our local stores are gift shops.

We have six jewelry stores in a town of 10k.

We have a couple of yuppie clothing stores, only one store that actually sells stuff normal people can wear.

We were without a hardware store for three years until the ACE store opened in Nov.

You can't buy a normal pair of sneakers here since McLaughlin's closed their store.

We have a leather and saddle shop, buy a new blanket for your favorite polo pony.

I'm pretty sure you can't buy a towel in town, other than a novelty beach towel.

We also have two year round Christmas shops.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 05:45 PM
Bruce is trying to make his music available to everyone, including people who due to being poor or living rurally where there aren't a lot of stores are forced to shop at Walmart. If anybody wants to take on the greed in retail or corporate america, they would be busy for the rest of their lives. You're all making too big a deal about it.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 06:16 PM
IMHO from the few tracks I've heard from the new album, Bruce just plain sold out...
 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 06:27 PM
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IMHO from the few tracks I've heard from the new album, Bruce just plain sold out...

It ain't The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle , is it?

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 06:40 PM
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IMHO from the few tracks I've heard from the new album, Bruce just plain sold out...
Sadly, that's what I've concluded too, Jacquie

 

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IMHO from the few tracks I've heard from the new album, Bruce just plain sold out...

It ain't The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle , is it?


That's what I've heard. I still haven't decided whether to buy it or not, and I have bought everything he has recorded up until now.


I'd save my money. The lyrics to Outlaw Pete are just silly and the vocals on Surprise, Surprise sound like they were coated with sugar in the studio. Nothing raw, edgy or inspiring from what i've heard.

Bruce, what gives?

 
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