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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 11:33 AM
I found these to be quite interesting..

Quotes - Thomas Jefferson:


"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe . "
Thomas Jefferson


"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. "
Thomas Jefferson


"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
Thomas Jefferson


"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
Thomas Jefferson


"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
Thomas Jefferson

And finally, a very Interesting Quote :
In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than
standing armies. If the American people ever allow private
banks to control the issue of their currency, first by
inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations
that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people
of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the
continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 11:40 AM
There is one quote conspicuously missing "Sally Hemings is hot"

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 11:51 AM
Well ole Jeff was way ahead of his time with his quotes...
I wonder if he saw how screwed up this country would become......

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 12:27 PM
well alrighty then..

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 12:36 PM
A fwiw....private banks haven't controlled the issue of currency since very early in the nation's history. This is done by the U.S. Treasury. And since it was created in 1913, the Federal Reserve Board has been in charge of money stabilization. This is what Jefferson was talking about--keeping these functions out of private hands. In Jefferson's day, there were banks who actually issued their own currency.

Jefferson was in favor of minimal government, but one role he did favor for the national government was the issuance of a national uniform currency.

 
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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 12:47 PM
I especially like the last one. The banking institutions are doing what Jefferson would predict they would do without having to issue the currency.

One of several things I distinctly remember my college economics instructor saying was ,"I hate banks. They are the biggest legal crooks in the world." I tend to agree with him. For years, if you were a business owner and did your banking with Bank of America, and wrote your employees a payroll check, which they then took to Bank of America to cash, the bank would charge them $5 for the transaction, if they were not an account holder. They are quick to point out that if you open an account with them, there is no charge. Who would want to bank with a company who treats people like that? The fee is now $6.

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 12:50 PM
Very interesting words of wisdom, from a very different time.

A time when men were chastised for NOT voting.

Now, A "good" voter turnout is 47%...Nationwide. Most people can't even tell you who their Congressman is.

Ask a friend or neighbor what Congressional district he lives in.

Ask them what a State Senator does

Ask them who is on their school board

You get the idea. Jefferson would be so disappointed that we as a Republic have lost complete touch with our local Government. As an Example, I am a Republican and during this last Presidential election, I for one was glad to see Mr. Bush leave office. Hell, I would have given him a ride to the train depot...for free. Yet...people here questioned me with .."Are you really a Republican?".

My answer was and will continue to be... Hell yes!...My community... and what goes on in my neighborhood dictate my political beliefs. NOT who is in the White House.

Get out and Vote in your local elections people!

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 01:02 PM
I did a search on the last quote about the banks that I like and found this:

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Quotation: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

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1. "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered."

2. "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies..."

3. "The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

Earliest known appearance in print: 1937

Other attributions: None known.

Status: This quotation is at least partly spurious; see comments below.

Comments: This quotation is often cited as being in an 1802 letter to Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin, and/or "later published in The Debate Over the Recharter of the Bank Bill (1809)."

The first part of the quotation ("If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered") has not been found anywhere in Thomas Jefferson's writings, to Albert Gallatin or otherwise. It is identified in Respectfully Quoted as spurious, and the editor further points out that the words "inflation" and "deflation" did not come into use until 1864 and 1920, respectively.

The second part of the quotation ("I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies...") may well be a paraphrase of a statement Jefferson made in a letter to John Taylor in 1816. He wrote, "And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."[4]

The third part of this quotation ("The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs") has not been found in any of Jefferson's writings. In fact, he said something rather different in 1813: "The States should be applied to, to transfer the right of issuing circulating paper to Congress exclusively, in perpetuum, if possible..."

Lastly, we have not found a record of any publication called The Debate Over the Recharter of the Bank Bill. There was certainly debate over the recharter of the National Bank leading up to its expiration in 1811, but a search of Congressional documents of that period yields none of the verbiage discussed above.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 01:32 PM
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The banking institutions are doing what Jefferson would predict they would do without having to issue the currency.
Actually SCB, the Federal Reserve is precisely a group of private bankers who wrested control of our currency from the government back in 1913. It's their unsound monetary policies we have to blame for much of our current problems.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 01:51 PM
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The banking institutions are doing what Jefferson would predict they would do without having to issue the currency.
Actually SCB, the Federal Reserve is precisely a group of private bankers who wrested control of our currency from the government back in 1913. It's their unsound monetary policies we have to blame for much of our current problems.


Agreed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 03:32 PM
"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
Thomas Jefferson

Hmmm, although I agree...not sure how we would get anything done in this country if we lived by this...

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 03:43 PM
My Jefferson quotes: "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature," and
"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither
breaks my leg or picks my pocket".
Now there's a man who definitely believed in the Seperation of Church and State.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 05:52 PM
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The banking institutions are doing what Jefferson would predict they would do without having to issue the currency.
Actually SCB, the Federal Reserve is precisely a group of private bankers who wrested control of our currency from the government back in 1913. It's their unsound monetary policies we have to blame for much of our current problems.


Agreed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family


Thanks, y'all. Looks like Jefferson was right on the money.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 06:09 PM
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. "
Thomas Jefferson

Amen!

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
Thomas Jefferson

Amen!

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
Thomas Jefferson

Amen!

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
Thomas Jefferson

Amen!

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
Thomas Jefferson

Amen!

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
Thomas Jefferson

Amen!

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 06:26 PM
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"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature,"


i guess he was opposed to the whole "do not commit adultery" theme in christianity.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2009 at 08:45 PM
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Well ole Jeff was way ahead of his time with his quotes...
I wonder if he saw how screwed up this country would become......


Actually ole Jeff thought we should be a nation of yeoman farmers and never foresaw an industrial society. Hamilton was the real visionary.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 09:03 AM
I like this from old Tom, Article 2 of the Virginia Statue of Religious Freedom:

We the General Assembly of Virginia do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

Good Age of Reason, Enlightenment idea that freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. Huge!

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 12:50 PM
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Hamilton was the real visionary.



I just picked up "Hamilton's Curse" but have not started reading it yet. I know that he was a pretty strange bird and that Jefferson and Adams both disliked him for one reason or another. I do know that he favored more Federal power over State power, had affairs, died as the result of a duel, favored high tariffs, was a protectionist, started the first national bank, was illegitimate, was not adverse to marrying for money. All and all a pretty complex character some have even hinted to possible bisexual tendencies. There is a good scene in "HBO's John Adams" where Hamilton is overly concerned about military uniforms he designing when another possible war against the French was a possibility. It went something like when the soldier looked to his right that the buttons on his uniform would form a straight line that the soldier would see out of corner of his eye or something like that. Jefferson was against getting in the middle of this war and Hamilton's siding with the British because of the help we received from the French during the Revolutionary war. Adams felt he had too much influence over Washington and the uniform issue proved that he was a frivolous and petty individual when he was more concerned over how a soldier would see buttons out of the corner of his eye vs. should we as a Nation even be getting into the middle of this war between England and France.

I will check back when I finish the book and see if I believe he really was a visionary, I do know that some Republicans in recent days have touted this line, however he was in favor of a lot of big government issues, and even taking on federal debt.


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I just picked up "Hamilton's Curse" but have not started reading it yet. I know that he was a pretty strange bird and that Jefferson and Adams both disliked him for one reason or another. I do know that he favored more Federal power over State power, had affairs, died as the result of a duel, favored high tariffs, was a protectionist, started the first national bank, was illegitimate, was not adverse to marrying for money. All and all a pretty complex character some have even hinted to possible bisexual tendencies. There is a good scene in "HBO's John Adams" where Hamilton is overly concerned about military uniforms he designing when another possible war against the French was a possibility. It went something like when the soldier looked to his right that the buttons on his uniform would form a straight line that the soldier would see out of corner of his eye or something like that. Jefferson was against getting in the middle of this war and Hamilton's siding with the British because of the help we received from the French during the Revolutionary war. Adams felt he had too much influence over Washington and the uniform issue proved that he was a frivolous and petty individual when he was more concerned over how a soldier would see buttons out of the corner of his eye vs. should we as a Nation even be getting into the middle of this war between England and France.

I will check back when I finish the book and see if I believe he really was a visionary, I do know that some Republicans in recent days have touted this line, however he was in favor of a lot of big government issues, and even taking on federal debt.


[Edited on 1/31/2009 by PattyG]


Hamilton was not a saint. And he could be a dark and nasty character no doubt as were many political figures in those days, myths not withstanding. The thing of which you intimate, Hamilton wanting war with France, had to do with an ongoing dispute between the Hamiltonian Federalists and the Jeffersonian Republicans. The Hamiltonians were anglo-philes, felt the United States should be modeled on Britain and feared and mistrusted (for good reason) the revolutionaries of France. It is not true that Hamilton wanted a monarchy or was a royalist or anything like that. Jefferson not only envisioned the U.S. as an Agrarian society but also had a romantic attachment to the bloody French revolutionaries. The French and British were essentially in a world war. Hamilton wanted us on the British side, Jefferson on the French side. President Adams, who is an unsung hero of history, wanted us neutral. He succeeded. Hamilton's political power was broken by that. Nevertheless, his vision of the United States close to Britain and growth oriented not only came true but is what enabled us to expand and become the great nation we have become, home to millions of immigrants and tens of millions of their successors.

And I am an admire of Jefferson as well but if you are going to describe Hamilton's quircks I think Old Tom had a few of his own no?

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 03:25 PM
By the standards of his day Jefferson was neither a rapist nor a pedophile. slaves were property nothing more.

Today's standards and morales have changed.

Please take down the picture with the f bomb in it.

 

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By the standards of his day Jefferson was neither a rapist nor a pedophile. slaves were property nothing more.

Today's standards and morales have changed.

Please take down the picture with the f bomb in it.


That's not quite true. Jefferson himself seemed to recognize that slaves were not just property. He seemed to be very close to them and treated them quite well though he did not free them. And plenty of people, such as John and Abagail Adams hated slavery even back then and hated that Washington D.C. was built by slave power. I agree though that he was not a rapist or pedophile.

 

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Today's standards and morales have changed.

Please take down the picture with the f bomb in it.


That's not quite true. Jefferson himself seemed to recognize that slaves were not just property. He seemed to be very close to them and treated them quite well though he did not free them. And plenty of people, such as John and Abagail Adams hated slavery even back then and hated that Washington D.C. was built by slave power. I agree though that he was not a rapist or pedophile.


On a legal basis, entirely true.

 

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By the standards of his day Jefferson was neither a rapist nor a pedophile. slaves were property nothing more.

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Please take down the picture with the f bomb in it.


That's not quite true. Jefferson himself seemed to recognize that slaves were not just property. He seemed to be very close to them and treated them quite well though he did not free them. And plenty of people, such as John and Abagail Adams hated slavery even back then and hated that Washington D.C. was built by slave power. I agree though that he was not a rapist or pedophile.


On a legal basis, entirely true.


I thought you were talking about a moral basis.

 

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The following is some information I found regarding Jeffereson and Sally Hemings. If you note, all of Sally's children were born after Jefferson's wife died. I don't believe adultery would factor into the story as Sally was only 9 at the time of his wife's passing. Sally was 21 or 22 when her first child was born.

"Sally Hemings (1773-1835) was a slave at Monticello; Sally Hemings' duties included being a nursemaid-companion to Thomas Jefferson's daughter Maria (c. 1784-1787), lady's maid to daughters Martha and Maria (1787-1797), and chambermaid and seamstress (1790s-1827).

She lived in Paris with Jefferson and two of his daughters from 1787 to 1789; and she had at least six children.

It's likely that Jefferson fathered six of Sally Hemings' children listed in Monticello records - Harriet (born 1795; died in infancy); Beverly (born 1798); an unnamed daughter (born 1799; died in infancy); Harriet (born 1801); Madison (born 1805); and Eston (born 1808).

Among the unresolved matters is the genealogy of Sally Hemings. According to Madison Hemings, Sally's mother, Elizabeth Hemings (1735-1807), was the daughter of an African woman and an English sea captain. By Madison's and other accounts, Sally Hemings and some of her siblings were the children of John Wayles, Thomas Jefferson's father-in-law. If so, Sally Hemings would have been the half-sister of Jefferson's wife, Martha Wayles Jefferson (1748-1782).

 

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The following is some information I found regarding Jeffereson and Sally Hemings. If you note, all of Sally's children were born after Jefferson's wife died. I don't believe adultery would factor into the story as Sally was only 9 at the time of his wife's passing. Sally was 21 or 22 when her first child was born.

"Sally Hemings (1773-1835) was a slave at Monticello; Sally Hemings' duties included being a nursemaid-companion to Thomas Jefferson's daughter Maria (c. 1784-1787), lady's maid to daughters Martha and Maria (1787-1797), and chambermaid and seamstress (1790s-1827).

She lived in Paris with Jefferson and two of his daughters from 1787 to 1789; and she had at least six children.

It's likely that Jefferson fathered six of Sally Hemings' children listed in Monticello records - Harriet (born 1795; died in infancy); Beverly (born 1798); an unnamed daughter (born 1799; died in infancy); Harriet (born 1801); Madison (born 1805); and Eston (born 1808).

Among the unresolved matters is the genealogy of Sally Hemings. According to Madison Hemings, Sally's mother, Elizabeth Hemings (1735-1807), was the daughter of an African woman and an English sea captain. By Madison's and other accounts, Sally Hemings and some of her siblings were the children of John Wayles, Thomas Jefferson's father-in-law. If so, Sally Hemings would have been the half-sister of Jefferson's wife, Martha Wayles Jefferson (1748-1782).


What's inexplicable is how TJ could enslave his own children which he did.

 

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