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  posted on 1/28/2009 at 06:40 PM
So Ive been listening to the Dreams box set and Spoonful and Crossroads are played by Hour Glass and are pretty close to the Cream versions as can be with an organ in there and Second Coming does I Feel Free. Is that Dickey Betts singing that. Any way I just thought that was cool. Also I enjoyed these 60s sounding groups they were in pre-ABB so Im digging the boxset

 

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  posted on 1/28/2009 at 06:45 PM
That's a GREAT version of "I Feel Free" all the way around.

Dickey singing, you can almost hear British overtones in his voice.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2009 at 10:11 PM
the "Dreams" box set is really spectacular......
it's really way long past the time for the "Duane Allman Box Set"....
it certainly sounds like there is enough material out there...
what could be a better way to celebrate, not to mention a more appropriate time,
than finally get it all together and available to celebrate the 40th....
that's my wish

[Edited on 1/29/2009 by PeachNutt]

 

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  posted on 1/28/2009 at 10:45 PM
I agree all 3 of these tunes reveal loads about the early band's (and previous bands) influences. I also like "She Has Funny Cars" off "Dreams" and recall Dickey's comment that he and Berry were "cosmic travelers."
 

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  posted on 1/28/2009 at 10:49 PM
I think I read that Gregg and Duane did have much creative control over their material in those early days. Did they even get to pick the songs?

No matter, it's still very enjoyable. The Dreams boxset is brilliant.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2009 at 04:40 AM
cream was a major influence on not only any band that came after them but also the fact they were one of the first big name bands to jam on a song and make it 15 minutes in concert
 

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  posted on 1/29/2009 at 07:50 PM
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cream was a major influence on not only any band that came after them but also the fact they were one of the first big name bands to jam on a song and make it 15 minutes in concert


Actually the jamming thing came from jazz....Miles Davis and John Coltrane were regularly playing tunes that lasted over 30-40 minutes in the mid '60s.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2009 at 11:39 PM
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cream was a major influence on not only any band that came after them but also the fact they were one of the first big name bands to jam on a song and make it 15 minutes in concert


Actually the jamming thing came from jazz....Miles Davis and John Coltrane were regularly playing tunes that lasted over 30-40 minutes in the mid '60s.


didn't cream do the same thing in the mid 60's? anyways i was talking about rock bands

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 12:05 AM
i think you can hear clapton's influence on duane's playing in certain songs and solos. i hear a lot of what duane took from e.c. in just the solo from "deserted cities of the heart".

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 08:46 AM
Cream changed everything.

Jerry Garcia said that the San Fransisco bands were starting to feel good about the evolving scene there when Cream played the Cow Palace. Nearly every SF musician was in attendance. JG's reaction was "I knew I had to go home and kick up my practicing" [paraphrase].

I used to carry my Cream albums around with me at school...

I always get a laff when people start ripping Eric Clapton.

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 09:21 AM
Seeing the yardbirds in 65 66 then cream in 67 were turning points for me musicly both bands Jammed but Cream took it to another level and showed how it can be on stage when given the freedom to just play and not be held by the bounds of the 2.30 second radio hit or by a record exec telling you what to do Cream and the yardbirds set the stage for the ABB and other bands who showed their brilliance in musical expression.

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 09:38 AM
I LOVE THIS THREAD. "I always get a laff when people start ripping Eric Clapton."
Thanks aiq, couldn't have said it better myself. I think most of the folks here who do the ripping are not 54 years old like myself and don't remember when Cream broke all over the airwaves in the sixties and was just blowing everyone's mind, including people like Buddy Guy, who will still throw in a Sunshine of Your Love riff somewhere during his show (the respect is mutual; Clapton says Buddy Guy is IT). I've seen an interview with Guy where he talked about first hearing Cream and saying how much they completely blew his mind.
Hell, when Chas Chandler first suggested to Hendrix that he go to England to break the Experience, Hendrix said, "OK, if I get to meet Eric Clapton."
Cream was something new and original, and when they jammed, they were certainly NOT a rock 'n' roll band, they were a jazz and blues band, which paved the way for you know who, a certain outfit named ABB. And if anyone thinks Clapton can't still do it, well, I'm sure you don't own the 2005 Cream reunion DVD.



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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 10:21 AM
aiq,

Agree with your statements about Eric Clapton and Cream. especially in regards to the influence it had on the San Franciso scene back in '60s and making those musicians "kick up their practicing". Another band that had similiar effect on these musicians was Paul Butterfield Blues Band. IMHO the Paul Butterfield Blues Band has never gotten quite the respect and acclaim that it deserves, especially for turning on the San Franciso "hippy" musicians to what REAL blues was all about. In regards to the ABB, I definely think that BOTH Cream/Eric Clapton and Paul Butterfield Blues Band were certainly the "role model" for what Duane Allman had in mind when he put the ABB together. Also let's not forget Taj Mahal and his band, especially his guitarist Jesse Ed Davis had on Duane. Hadn't been for him, Duane might not have started messing around with Cordician bottle.

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 12:42 PM
Here is the mention of the Cream album from Johnny's book. They were living in the 'dirt' house when they first arrived in California:

"I heard the first Cream album in that period and it was pretty amazing. As soon as we heard that album we freaked out over it. We listened to it over and over and it was a huge influence on our music. "

 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 12:54 PM
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I LOVE THIS THREAD. "I always get a laff when people start ripping Eric Clapton."
Amen.

 

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Agree with your statements about Eric Clapton and Cream. especially in regards to the influence it had on the San Franciso scene back in '60s and making those musicians "kick up their practicing". Another band that had similiar effect on these musicians was Paul Butterfield Blues Band. IMHO the Paul Butterfield Blues Band has never gotten quite the respect and acclaim that it deserves, especially for turning on the San Franciso "hippy" musicians to what REAL blues was all about. In regards to the ABB, I definely think that BOTH Cream/Eric Clapton and Paul Butterfield Blues Band were certainly the "role model" for what Duane Allman had in mind when he put the ABB together. Also let's not forget Taj Mahal and his band, especially his guitarist Jesse Ed Davis had on Duane. Hadn't been for him, Duane might not have started messing around with Cordician bottle.


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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 02:42 PM
The brothers were actually at the time a little late coming on the Blues rock scene however it was obvious their influences at the time were from many sources while their authenticity of American blues was unique. I remarked at the time during the DA era that their sound was like Mike Bloomfield and the Dead mixed with Cream. IMO Crossroads by Cream is the most obvious influence on the brothers however now when ever I hear Becks Bolero from Truth i think of DA . I can not help think that Becks melodic sound fit DA's personality more and comes out in his music more than Claptons did. but, Cream influenced everyone at the time in some way. Great group that was here and gone in a flash .

[Edited on 2/1/2009 by Bingylandmusic]

 

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cream was a major influence on not only any band that came after them but also the fact they were one of the first big name bands to jam on a song and make it 15 minutes in concert


Actually the jamming thing came from jazz....Miles Davis and John Coltrane were regularly playing tunes that lasted over 30-40 minutes in the mid '60s.


didn't cream do the same thing in the mid 60's? anyways i was talking about rock bands


Duke Ellington And The Count Basie Back in the 50s. (other big bands also)

Remember from the Ken Burns Jazz series about Paul Gonzales’s 27-chorus solo with Duke Ellington at the 1956 Newport Jazz Festival?

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 04:48 PM
i'd like to add cream are one of my favorite bands ever. so influential and such a short time together
 

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  posted on 1/31/2009 at 09:35 PM
The Marsmonkey is right.

Phil Lesh: We stole it from the jazz bands.

Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were from the jazzbos, Clapton from the Blues...Perfect Storm.

Everbody took notice. I had to retrack to get hip to Trane and Miles.

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  posted on 2/1/2009 at 09:00 AM
Clapton is God.

 

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  posted on 2/1/2009 at 09:16 AM
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  posted on 2/1/2009 at 09:23 AM
When I listen to Blind Faith's beginning and ending of Well All Right I always think of Les Brer.

You can here the influence and I think it is a compliment to Eric Clapton.

 

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  posted on 2/1/2009 at 10:08 AM
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i'd like to add cream are one of my favorite bands ever. so influential and such a short time together


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  posted on 2/1/2009 at 01:13 PM
Cream—My all time favorite group.
 
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