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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 10:07 AM
I am sure many of you in this forum belong to some sort of religious organization and/or a church, synagogue, temple or mosque etc. Many of you, including myself faithfully attend religious services of your choice.

Whereas some forms of faith have no problem with you listening and enjoying
non-religious music, others, as we all know, consider it "devil's music." Whereas in my place of worship there are some people who love secular music, others wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole..... it has to be worship/religious music or nothing at all.

A few people were looking at me funny the other day when I got into a conversation about the upcoming Beacon shows with a fellow parishioner. While we were identifying with each other, a few folks next to us looked like they were ready to "excommunicate" us!!! There can be no talk of rock music in this place!!!!!!
However the matter didn't escalate into anything troublesome.

So fellow peach heads, those who attend a religious group, do you make your music interests known or keep it separated (sort of like separation of church and state)???

[Edited on 1/27/2009 by BarrySmith]

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 10:16 AM
hmmmmmmmmmmm sounds like....SATAN !!!!!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 10:25 AM
Interestingly, the lyrics and music of the ABB are among the cleanest and least suggestive of any band out there. There are songs of heartache, demons, drug use etc., but most don't glorify or treat them lightly. I mean just off the top of my head, maybe One Way Out, Good Morning' Little Schoolgirl, or even Don't Keep Me Wonderin', but most are more like End of the Line or Temptation is a Gun.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 10:58 AM
I know back in the day, that many of the old blues players wouldn't dare mix secular and sacred music. Lots of these old players, once they got "religion" wouldn't play blues anymore, as that was the "Devil's music". Ray Charles himself got into trouble when he mix secular lyrics with gospel rythrms (I Got a Woman) and invented "R&B". But getting back to the question at hand, if I know someone is extremely religious, and has a very strict view on what music is apporiate to listen to, then I generally don't discuss my secular musical likes and dislikes with them.
 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:04 AM
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I am sure many of you in this forum belong to some sort of religious organization and/or a church, synagogue, temple or mosque etc. Many of you, including myself faithfully attend religious services of your choice.

Whereas some forms of faith have no problem with you listening and enjoying
non-religious music, others, as we all know, consider it "devil's music." Whereas in my place of worship there are some people who love secular music, others wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole..... it has to be worship/religious music or nothing at all.

A few people were looking at me funny the other day when I got into a conversation about the upcoming Beacon shows with a fellow parishioner. While we were identifying with each other, a few folks next to us looked like they were ready to "excommunicate" us!!! There can be no talk of rock music in this place!!!!!!
However the matter didn't escalate into anything troublesome.

So fellow peach heads, those who attend a religious group, do you make your music interests known or keep it separated (sort of like separation of church and state)???

[Edited on 1/27/2009 by BarrySmith]


I don't mean to offend you, but if talking about the ABB can make these folks look at you like they want to kick you outta church, don't you think they are some CLOSEDMINDED people?

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:13 AM



I don't mean to offend you, but if talking about the ABB can make these folks look at you like they want to kick you outta church, don't you think they are some CLOSEDMINDED people?


No offense taken, of course. The reason why I presented the matter to y'all is to get some opinions and insight. Whereas many people see them as closeminded, others will see them as those who prefer sacred things to secular.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:19 AM
Being involved on a praise and worship music team, we're always goofing around on secular numbers before we start the Christian song rehearsals. We'll even make new words (religious) up to secular songs while we're goofing around. I'm sort of a misfit in my church, with all the doctors, lawyers and Indian chiefs in our membership, but folks love me, anyway, especially the youth.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:21 AM
I sing in my church's choir and occassionaly by myself for services. They
know I am at the beacon in March and no one gives me grief.

except for my Mom, you folks frighten her.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:36 AM
I went to a church once that tried to make me feel guilty for the type of music I liked.

It's all about what you feel convicted by. Music makes me feel good and doesn't bother anyone else and I seriously doubt that God doesn't want you to feel good. It's not like I'm going to listen to One Way Out and suddenly run out and find a married woman to sleep with just to live out the song.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:38 AM
Never over ABB music. Been a hardcore Rush fan for over 25 years, been hearing about the dangers of devil music the entire time from the religiously inclined who choose to share their opinion. Waded through I don't know how many fundamentalists walking into arenas to see Maiden, Priest and AC/DC in the 80s. Went and saw the Nine Inch Nails in Topeka, KS and Fred Phelps himself and his brood were protesting the show...my friends and I, fueled by scotch shots (don't ask) had a blast heckling them...

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:44 AM
My sister's Rabbi is an old deadhead. He has a tie-dye book cover for his prayer book that he uses during services. There are some talented musicians in the congregation, including him. I've been to services where they had a guitar / mandolin player, flutist, percussionist, bass, and the Rabbi occasionally joining in on guitar. The music is sort of Israeli / Middle Eastern (check out Dave Grisman, songs of our fathers).
Once, after a meditation, the Rabbi and mandolin were playing some quiet music, and the Rabbi started teasing the intro to the slow version of Friend of the Devil. My wife and I started cracking up (quietly).

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:51 AM
My parents forced me to go to a fundamentalist baptist school in 9th grade (1974). In my pre-meeting w/ the principal, it came out that I liked rock music. He about had a fit, and gave me a book, Rock and Roll, the Devil's Diversion. Usually, I would have just thrown it away, but I could not put it down; it was a scream!

6 weeks into the school year, it came out that the minister was having an affair w/ a lady parishoner, and the whole church fractured and I then went to the splinter church/school. I got in trouble for playing cards in our free time and on a retreat, the boys and girls had to swim in the lake at different times. Seemed pretty backward, even for 1974 near-rural GA standards.

I guess that's the long way of saying, there are some real wrongs out there, and if you don't feel guilty about something, then there is no reason to hide who you are.

Edit-it was not all bad. There was a kid in my class that said, "you need to check out the Allman Bros album, At Fillmore East." I did, and the rest as they say is history.

[Edited on 1/27/2009 by Brock]

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:57 AM
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I sing in my church's choir and occassionaly by myself for services. They
know I am at the beacon in March and no one gives me grief.

except for my Mom, you folks frighten her.
With good reason..

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:59 AM
I belong to a Catholic parish in Philadelphia. The parishioners are too diverse for it to be an issue and there are too many for all of us to gather together at one time and place. .
 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 12:12 PM
Since I started my own church, am the only member, and do everything myself,
I have absolutely no problem with this at all.

















Of course putting Jedi under religious affiliation still manages to piss more
people off than listening to secular music ...

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 01:01 PM
i am a christian and attend church. and i attend as many ABB and DTB shows as i can.

if a christian were to abstain from everything unpure, they would have to be dead and already in heaven!

i see nothing wrong with going to or listening to the ABB. but there is music out there that is blatantly anti-God. I think if you are convicted in your beliefs, that you should not listen to or read something for enjoyment that is purely against those same beliefs.

also, the fact that Jack Pearson and Oteil Burbridge are professed Christians, I think that solves the argument right there.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 01:46 PM
Well i'm non-religious and not such a big fan of organised religion especially when it's fanatic, fundamental and openly judging other people for their life style or non-belief.
That being said, over here in the Netherlands, i never ever bumped into somebody or had
a conversation with somebody who made a topic about secular music or devil music. There are plenty of strictly religious people over here of "all flavors" but it was never a topic. If somebody would address my musical taste as devil music or a bad influence i think i would laugh at their face and certainly not change my habits.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 02:14 PM
Nowdays when I play my guitar , especially if I'm alone I feel closer to something positive.
When I put it down and feel peaceful, I know I've been in a good place.
Maybe it has somehing to do with the passage about not trying to be a spectacle and keeping your worship private. Search me.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 03:11 PM
First you have to believe in the devil for their to be devils music and i do not as christans believe in the devil this is my church God is there everyday,and i see him in everything that is in front of my eyes, the music fits fine for me it is a pathway to my soul to hear Duane, or Jack pearson play slide guitar,it is just another of gods wonderous works,to play like that and a blessing bestowed on just a few.... below is my church

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 03:14 PM
I attend a farly fundamental church, always have....(Evangelical Free affiliation.)

Some folks would frown on this type of secular music, most of them have no problem.
I let the judgements from people flow off me like water off a duck's back.

I make no excuses, I hide nothing - I am who I am.

Right now....

Our home group mid-week leader has my copy of Already Free.

My Pastor has that 7 disc set of Coltrane shows in FLAC.....

 
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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 03:37 PM
I learned along time ago, and still have to remind myself -
Not to seek the approval of others!
The only approval I seek should be from the Creator, my Lord & Savior.

If somebody has a problem with me listening to this type of
music, that's their problem, not mine.

Remember, man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at
your heart. And the intent of your heart.

And let's not forget the beautiful messages behind "Blue Sky" and "Revival"
Good ol' Sunday mornin' and People can you feel it!
And how about all the instrumental stuff like Jessica and Liz Reed, can you find
hatred in that?

One more thing, I like praise and worship music too!
And is somebody secular doesn't like that, its also their problem, not mine!

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 03:49 PM
While I have nothing against religion and fully support others' right to their beliefs, I am not religious at all and find life a lot more enjoyable that way. I have no need for church, and I find some church's present embrace of rock music as a foundation for their own message rather opportunistic, especially considering the hypocrisy of many church's condemnation of the very same music only 50 years ago. I know, I know, people and institutions change over 50 time, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with christian rock and the people that today embrace it, but it's still a prime example of why one should listen to what ever the hell they want to and accept what ever someone else wants to listen to, music never hurt anybody. 50 years from now, whatever was once offensive or vulgar will be universal and probably quite tired and diluted. Luckily, the Allmans' music still packs a punch. Hearing Gregg sing and Derek play is inspirational and powerful enough.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 03:56 PM
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While I have nothing against religion and fully support others' right to their beliefs, I am not religious at all and find life a lot more enjoyable that way. I have no need for church, and I find some church's present embrace of rock music as a foundation for their own message rather opportunistic, especially considering the hypocrisy of many church's condemnation of the very same music only 50 years ago. I know, I know, people and institutions change over 50 time, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with christian rock and the people that today embrace it, but it's still a prime example of why one should listen to what ever the hell they want to and accept what ever someone else wants to listen to, music never hurt anybody. 50 years from now, whatever was once offensive or vulgar will be universal and probably quite tired and diluted. Luckily, the Allmans' music still packs a punch. Hearing Gregg sing and Derek play is inspirational and powerful enough.


I could not agree more! How about MOOGIS!!!

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 04:01 PM
Gorgeous photo of your church, Mike!

Anybody who knows me understands my love for music and also my spiritual side. I did have one co-worker who was a fundamentalist Baptist who liked to harangue me for awhile with a Rock-&-Roll-is-the-devil's-music spiel but understanding his button-pushing-finger-pointing nature I brushed it off.

[Edited on 1/27/2009 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 04:35 PM
Rydethwind pretty sweet church you got there.

Barry I would assume that the "few folks next to us looked like they were ready to "excommunicate" us!!! There can be no talk of rock music in this place!!!!!!", have never listened to ABB. They probably just assume that the concerts are all about drinking, drugs, and sex.

I think its kind of like all things in society, they just are making themselves feel better / more holy by putting your actions below theirs.

 

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