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  posted on 1/26/2009 at 07:04 PM
I am on the fence. Been to the site, looks great and all.

If it's a no brainer for you, or you already are subscribed, spare us from that comment.

$100 bucks, easily justified by those that have been or might have paid for Beacon tickets, but for those of us that would never make the trek to the upper westside...it's still $100.

I don't know, what do you think? Are you going to do it?

All I have is a laptop, I could hook it to some better speakers, but I will not be watching it on a big screeen TV with surround sound from Bose speakers...

Am I a fan you ask, well sure...been to a bunch of shows...just am not convinced on this moogis thing...

The intent of this thread is for those of us on the fence to discuss...if you already know you are in...well....


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  posted on 1/26/2009 at 07:35 PM
Heineken with the sorry DSL we have out here in the sticks I doubt I'll be able to subscribe to this service. I think the $100 charge is a bargain, especially if one can download the shows through one of those capturing software programs. To me if I were in another area I'd probably hook up, but not here. It is painful for me just waiting on YouTube videos.

 

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  posted on 1/26/2009 at 07:40 PM
Well I can respect that, so it seems you are saying, if only I had better internet service, I'd do it....

I honestly wouldn't mind a peak or heck a FULL listing of the shows that are coming...with this subscription.

 

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  posted on 1/26/2009 at 07:50 PM
The price is fine. However I'm not sure if I can hook my computer up to my TV and my DVD recorder and if I can't do that I'll probably pass, because I don't want to watch it at my desk.
 

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  posted on 1/26/2009 at 07:52 PM
I think you can watch a sample of the piedmont show.


 

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  posted on 1/26/2009 at 07:53 PM
I am going to subscribe

However, I would like to know what it takes to hook my computer up to my television and a simulation of sorts as to what the concert is going to look like...

 

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  posted on 1/26/2009 at 09:30 PM
First off, I AM on the fence. I have my PC hooked up to my Sony HDTV - the tv has a pc input, so the same cord that connected to my PC monitor, goes right into my TV - without that hook up to the TV, I wouln't even consider it. I went on the site and the sample is as good a pitcure as I could expect - not HD as far as I know - my PC wouldn't receive in HD anyway as I do not have that type of video card. Sound through my home theater was excellent as well. Without a high speed internet connection I can't imagine it would work at all. The site says the $100 is for 6 months - and each Beacon show would be live, be looped for 24 hours and be available for you to watch anytime in that 6 months. Overall seems like it is worth it. But I am going to wait and not worry that on 2/15 the price goes up to $125 - I want to see some feedback on this site to those who joined and see what they think about the current content offered - I only have tixx, so far, to 1 Beacon show and it is opening night Mon. - not my favorite night to head in to NYC and have to work the next morning. So I am leaning towards subscribing - it would be a great party to have a few friends over, party down and crank a live show from home!!
 

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  posted on 1/26/2009 at 09:31 PM
John, you can go to Radio Shack and they can give you the cable you need.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 01:42 AM
I would jump all over it if I was in the same financial situation I have grown accustomed to in the past. This year has not started off too well. Tax time, house payments, and trying to keep my business going are my priorities right now. $2000 a month income right now with $2400 a month bills. I'm going to be lucky to have internet service in 3 months if things don't change!

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 02:34 AM
I joined today and watched parts of three shows. The picture is a little grainy on full screen on my computer. I'm thinking it would be much more grainy on a larger screen. I was under the impression that it would be a more clear picture. The sound is very good. I think it will be very good but not great unless the picture is more clear.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 03:50 AM
I'm kinda with mulehead on the financial woes at the moment... that said the site does look cool and this is a totally exciting venture... 100$ to see the whole beacon run live? That's still an incredible deal whatever way you look at it... I'm curious what the quality would be like though, I mean it's one thing to buffer a few minutes of video, but to stream out to however many thousand people are going to end up paying? That's serious bandwidth if we were to all end up watching it live! I'm rather hoping they've put a limit onto how many people can subscribe, it might help prevent disappointment when the run actually starts?

Anyway, from Butch's vid he says you can hear audio from pretty much every gig back to 2001 - is that an exaggeration? I would love to know if Red Rocks & Ogden 2001 are on there... available SBDs of those two shows might seal the deal so to speak!

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 05:16 AM
Hi Jules, how you doing?
I've signed up for Moogis, but I haven't coughed up the $100 yet.
I keep asking and no ones given me an answer, can you record the concerts onto DVD's?
P.S. Shall I get Moray to bring a Beacon t-shirt back for Lorna?

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 06:16 AM
Good thanks! If you've signed up but not paid yet are you able to see a list of available shows?

I should think Lorna would love a shirt! I'll sort you out some $$ for that nearer the time!

As for recording to DVD I don't think they've got the rights to allow downloading, only streaming, so I'd guess the answer would be no... If you consider the royalties that have to be paid to the writers of the songs they perform, I'm sure it's a much smaller figure that has to be paid if it is for a song to be broadcast as opposed to downloaded (ie bought?) - that's just guesswork tho!

Seeya! jules

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 06:21 AM
If you can't record the content onto DVD to keep or the audio onto CD, then that puts me on the fence about getting this. I might have incorrectly assumed that we would be able to do this to keep a personal copy.
 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 07:16 AM
I have this computer coming. Should be here tomorrow. It will have HDMI hookups so I can go straight from the computer to the 57" HD TV. Notice HD Sound and HD processer. Also I added Wireless and a Blue Ray player that is built in the computer.

I will let everyone know how it works.

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 08:07 AM
Okay, I'm arriving at this Moogis thing kind of late. I haven't kept up - don't even know exactly what it is that they're trying to accomplish or offer.

Part of my job is to produce webcasts (we refer to them as "webinars").

Again, without knowing a lot about what Moogis is (or what they're offering), I think that a SYSTEMS REQUIREMENTS list might be a good thing for them to advise its clients on.

SYSTEMS REQUIREMENTS? For the most part, a television is a television. No matter the screen size, if its black and white or color - whatever, a broadcast will play on any television.

What type of operating system, how much RAM etc. will we need for a satisfying MOOGIS experience?

Video on computers presents a whole new set of concerns.

There are concerns about system RAM - all sorts of computer concerns. In my experience, some folks receive full-frame (30 fps), clean video while others aren't even able to get the signal. I guess a lot of it depends on your modem (cable or DSL should be best?).

One day (don't hold your breath) Congress may decide to enact a STANDARDS SYSTEM similar to what has been used in broadcast. When computers all meet a STANDARD operating system - webcasts, webinars and even MOOGIS will be viable entertainment options.

Please forgive me if I've missed something here. I do hope to learn more.

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 09:01 AM
I love the idea...its wonderful

BUT I think its a little pricey...I think it might be a better idea to charge for seperate shows instead.

I think that unless you have all the bells and whistles for your home entertainment system, this really isn't worth the money.

I love the fact that I can listen to these shows on disc for free! To me thats the better deal here. Just my 2 cents though.

See ya at the Beacon on 3/14...Hey maybe I'll be on TV?!?!

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 09:03 AM
Here's what I have come up with and has me almost sold on the subscription.

I have a three yr old Vaio laptop with a nine pin serial port external monitor hook-up (no fancy HDMI unfortunately). So I found this:

Cheapest at Radio Shack ($19.99) http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2290596


And for Audio, this is about what you should expect to pay for this type of conversion chord: ($32.99) http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2110512



As far as downloading content for a personal copy, I am moving forward on subscribing and assuming no on this. EVEN THOUGH I would love to have this made available with a subscription. But if they did this, somebody would try to unofficially distribute it and then it would stop. So SINCE this is a business in its fledgling state, I doubt they would release the potential revenue for official releases later on down the road.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 09:13 AM
My biggest worry about this is buying it and then there be so much traffic that the server locks up.

I'd hate to spend $100 and then not be able to watch when I want to.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 09:23 AM
Like Mulehead1 I am also financial unstable. I am collecting unemployment, still need over 1,500 a month with child support and IRS payments. It seems like a bargain, too bad there was not a central location where people are to have 1 laptop and 10 friends.
 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 09:57 AM
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too bad there was not a central location where people are to have 1 laptop and 10 friends


Well now, you see I was thinking abuot having a Moogis party on a Beacon weekend if I were to get it. But I put my feelers out for people to jam with and I can't get any takers. It just seems like the Baltimore/DC area doesn't have many peachy people.

That could very easily ease the burden of mayiing the subscription service. Sort of like the ol' Pay Per View events!

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 10:28 AM
Hey Eric, I was thinking about throwing a Moogis party for the first Sat at Fig's house. All the Peacheaters and some friends... would be great! I'll keep you posted!

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 10:54 AM
Im in its a great thing

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 11:57 AM
I agree with the idea of buying individual shows if possible. I cant really commit to watching tv for 3 or 4 hours in a row for 10 or 15 days in a month(even if it is ABB).

One thing we could do, is set up a group of people to split the cost and and share an account / password. You could just "draft" which shows each person in your group gets. Plus i think they said all shows would be available to stream for a period of time afterwards, so eventually you could still see them all. This I am sure would need to be done off line (or at least in private), as I am sure the folks at Moogis wouldn't like this idea.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2009 at 12:18 PM
Ok guys. I'm sitting in my office ready to crack. This has been a long journey (and Sib, you say amateur hour if you want. I've been playing 40 years. On the net long before Windows. I truly doubt you will find anyone else as qualified to do this at this time). I started this journey 5 years ago. Fortunately it didn't happen. As I have found the technology, specifically the bandwidth, just wasn't there. Now, for many of you, the bandwidth (500K) is there and we can deliver a clear (not HD) picture and first rate audio. We felt that the site was ready to go yesterday but ran into a couple of problems that have caused us to take it down until they are fixed. We are trying to do something that hasn't been done before. To expect that we wouldn't have problems would be irrational. We expect the problems to be fixed and to be back up very soon. To answer a few questions I've seen: the Beacon Shows (all of them) will be streamed (you will not be able to rip a DVD. The content does not belong to Moogis. Whether or not any DVD's, CD's, etc are released in the future is strictly up to the ABB. They own all of the content). Once the show is streamed live we will loop it until the next one begins (we want people around the world to see them). They will then be archived and you can watch them at any time for the remainder of your subscription. As I said the shows will be streamed on Flash at 500K. HD requires 1,25M. Very few of you would be able to watch in HD if we were to send a stream that large and those that could would, for the most part, be plagued with buffering problems. We've experimented with many levels and delivery systems and this is the best we could find. The picture will be clear, color saturation good and sound excellent. Additionally we had to take into account the cost of bandwidth (BTW, the number of people watching will not affect your stream. The company we are using has done shows with up to a million viewers without a problem). There are some of you that will watch these shows enough times that it will cost us more in bandwidth than your subscription. We have chosen what we hope is an average bandwidth usage. If we have underestimated then we will lose money. We have put several shows dating back to 2001 up on video. The quality of the video ranges from poor to good. These are shows that were videos by in house systems, not by us, and what you see is what you get. I personally have greatly enjoyed watching them. We have also been encoding audio only shows as far back as 2001. This has been my background music for the last few days. Anyway, we are very close to finally getting this thing off the ground. If you need to know how to connect to your TV and stereo, Vaylor is putting together a video showing you all of the various ways to connect. We'll get this up as soon as we can. Please be patient just a little longer. This year's Beacon run is going to be epic. If you can't come to the shows we're trying to give you an opportunity to still be a part of the experience. Peace.
 
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