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Author: Subject: THANK YOU REDOFRD & OBAMA! UTAH LAND SAVED!!

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  posted on 1/25/2009 at 07:47 PM
Enjoy the link and read on.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-redford/utah-lands-win-a-reprieve_b_16 0104.html

I'm glad we have a man in office who has a heart and actually cares for the environment, not the greased palm land baron that somehow won FL. Why did we re-elected that environmentally insensitive bastard?? Think about how much prime pristine land we have lost in the last four years due to the profit of the few.

I'd like to see Obama drill, mine, install thousands of solar panels, and windmills on his Texas ranch. Next hopefully is a ban on Mt. Top Mining and taking the coal ash back where it came from.
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Share Print CommentsFor the past several days, America has been swept up by a wave of hope and possibility. It was fitting, therefore, that a federal court acted last weekend to protect more than 110,000 acres of stunning Utah wilderness that otherwise would have been sold by the outgoing Bush administration to the dirty fuels industry.

These pristine lands sit on the boundaries of some of our nation's most spectacular parks: Arches, Canyonlands, and Dinosaur National Monument. They are redrock icons of American ruggedness. Yet the Bush administration announced in November that it would auction them off to be torn apart by the oil and gas industry, further polluting delicate environments and endangering public health.

My friends at the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) and their partners quickly filed suit to avert this tragedy, and last Saturday night they succeeded. Judge Ricardo Urbina issued a temporary restraining order that prevents the Bureau of Land Management from moving forward with the contested leases to the oil and gas industry.

What inspired me most was when Judge Urbina wrote that the "development of domestic energy resources... is far outweighed by the public interest in avoiding irreparable damage to public lands and the environment."

Finally, the greater good has prevailed over the profit of the few. For eight long years, the Bush administration acted not as the steward of our natural heritage, but as the broker of shady land deals. Those days of deep cynicism and self interest are over.

In his inaugural address, President Barack Obama spoke about the responsibility of all Americans to help build a better future for our nation.

I take very seriously my responsibility to help protect the lands I love which belong to all of us, the American people. I have hiked and ridden on horseback through these redrock canyons for decades, and the battle to keep them wild for generations to come always has been deeply personal for me. Destroying our natural heritage will do nothing to solve our energy challenges for the long-term, which to me, is even more reason to act.

I will continue to keep a vigilant watch over these lands, while working to build a cleaner, greener energy foundation for America. With endless untapped reserves of efficiency, solar, and wind power, we do not need to choose between affordable electricity, and one-of-a-kind landscapes. We can have both.

Now that is a greater good worth fighting for.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2009 at 07:51 PM
Though I agree w/ you, this is a thread for the Whipping Post. Recommend you copy it to there and edit this w/ a new topic. Perhaps another one about Ticketmaster?
 

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  posted on 1/25/2009 at 07:53 PM
rydethewind is not going to be happy.
 

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  posted on 1/25/2009 at 09:01 PM
Great article thanks for info. Leave it in the Anything Goes section everyone should see this not just the shady characters that hang out in the WP. IMO Good news should be shared not argued over.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2009 at 09:09 PM
I say, take to the Post. If this is indeed good news then why all the political potshots by Redford. It's far from just "straight" reporting of good news...very political.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2009 at 09:19 PM
I don't care who saves the land the good thing is that it was saved. I guess we head to the WP.

 

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I say, take to the Post. If this is indeed good news then why all the political potshots by Redford. It's far from just "straight" reporting of good news...very political.



I think Redford has the absolute right to criticize Bush's environmental record.
It was one of the worst of any administration.

BUSH's ENVIRONMENTAL RECORD:

http://foxriverwatch.com/nrda/bush_record.html

[Edited on 1/26/2009 by woodsdweller]

 

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  posted on 1/25/2009 at 10:03 PM
I welcome opportunities when land can open up to recreational enthusiasts, not just those who are allowed to travel in wilderness areas on foot and horse, but also mountain bikes, ATVs, 4 wheel drive vehicles. I'm obviously on the opposite side of the fence here. Expanding wilderness areas and abandoning roads is what makes me upset. I was pleased when Bush reversed the roadless ruling of Clinton. Let the locals decide what level of use and industry people want in their forests and public lands. Mining and logging industries build roads that eventually become trails for motorized recreational travel. Sorry, but I prefer to drive my 4wd vehicle on these beautiful lands rather than hike or horseback. I don't like to see those opportunities lost.
 

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A letter I sent to both my Senators and Representative last summer:

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Thank you for taking the time to read my letter. Iím writing today about a topic you may not hear much about from your constituents, but it is something I care very deeply about.

The issue of National Forest usage and Wilderness designation is troubling me. While I enjoy offroad travel in Ohio, I have gone west several times, especially to Colorado, to enjoy and experience the fantastic land that is part of their National Forest system. I travel these lands on forest roads in a 4 wheel drive vehicle in summer and snowmobile in the winter. My dream is to someday live in an area where I can ride and drive these western lands on a more regular basis. I have sincere love for our western National Forest land and all that it offers. I also take much pride and pleasure in being able to drive and ride these lands on designated forest roads in my Jeep or ORV. I am very concerned about expanding Wilderness designation in Colorado, Utah, Washington, Idaho among other areas since no motorized travel is permitted in Wilderness areas.

I respect all of those who wish to enjoy and explore such areas. I want to share these lands with all people, whether we travel by bike, foot, horse, ATV, or 4 wheel drive vehicle - and we can share this great land together.

The closure of hundreds of miles forest roads and ORV/ATV trails to motorized travel when an area is named a Wilderness is a huge and meaningful loss for countless Americans. We need to strive to let all Americans participate in the enjoyment these lands, not keep them out.

I wish that you take seriously any vote on such legislation which restricts motorized travel on our National Forests and Public Lands, such as Wilderness and roadless areas designation. It is of great importance that access to such areas not be infringed upon.

Again, thank you.

 

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  posted on 1/25/2009 at 10:14 PM
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Sorry, but I prefer to drive my 4wd vehicle on these beautiful lands rather than hike or horseback. I don't like to see those opportunities lost.



As long as ATVers and 4x4ers myself included don't mess around in trout and salmon streams fill your boots. Scaring the **** out of horses ain't a good thing either.

 

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I welcome opportunities when land can open up to recreational enthusiasts, not just those who are allowed to travel in wilderness areas on foot and horse, but also mountain bikes, ATVs, 4 wheel drive vehicles. I'm obviously on the opposite side of the fence here. Expanding wilderness areas and abandoning roads is what makes me upset. I was pleased when Bush reversed the roadless ruling of Clinton. Let the locals decide what level of use and industry people want in their forests and public lands. Mining and logging industries build roads that eventually become trails for motorized recreational travel. Sorry, but I prefer to drive my 4wd vehicle on these beautiful lands rather than hike or horseback. I don't like to see those opportunities lost.


And lots of people like to visit these lands to get away from the noise of motorized sounds in their cities. They want peace and quiet. Here in the Northeast, snowmobiles are allowed in winter in designated areas in the White Mountain National Forest, Baxter State Park and other Parks, and as along as it's done in a DESIGNATED area (far away from the quiet hiking trails) that won't spoil it for people seeking peace and quiet, I'm all for areas for ATV's, Snowmobiles and other noisemakers.

[Edited on 1/26/2009 by woodsdweller]

 

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quote:Sorry, but I prefer to drive my 4wd vehicle on these beautiful lands rather than hike or horseback. I don't like to see those opportunities lost.



As long as ATVers and 4x4ers myself included don't mess around in trout and salmon streams fill your boots. Scaring the **** out of horses ain't a good thing either.


Many water crossings have bridges often built by local 4x4 clubs or the forest service, but when a water crossing must be driven through it is to be taken very slow to minimize any impact.

I think there can be trails specific for horseback and other ones for motorized travel so problems don't have to occur with anyone or thing getting scared, my primary concern is when an entire area is lost to motorized travel. The only time horses and ATVs should encounter each other would be main travel roads that lead to the trails and in many cases there are parking areas large enough for horse or ATV trailers at the trail head so these encounters don't have to be frequent.

 

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And lots of people like to visit these lands to get away from the noise of motorized sounds in their cities. They want peace and quiet. Here in the Northeast, snowmobiles are allowed in winter in designated areas in the White Mountain National Forest, Baxter State Park and other Parks and as along as it's done in a DESIGNATED area (far away from the quiet hiking trails) that won't spoil it for people seeking peace and quiet, I'm all for areas for ATV's, Snowmobiles and other noisemakers.


I understand. The national forests and blm areas that I've traveled in have always been large enough to allow for a trail system where people can be traveling on ATV in one area and not disturb those wanting a more quiet outdoor experience in another. I think we can share this land together and we must respect each other's rights to enjoy and travel these lands. I do become concerned about expanding a ban or wilderness designation on land that currently allows motorized travel.

 

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In my time out on the trails I always find the horseback folks the grumpiest. A we were here first attituide often prevails.

 

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Saving the environment is the most important issue. Check out U.N. Agenda 21. I hope it is carried out but so many think it's some "New World Order" plot. Bush set us back fifty years so our efferts need to be doubled.
 

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Not so fast poncho... i am all for saving ROADLESS wilderness if there are roads and parks and others stuff already there is is already effed up and is not wilderness... so get yo facts straight before speaking for me ...

Example yellowstone park...is a tourist trap and a disgrace to our parks system,hotels stores and roads out the A$$.... if you want to see wilderness come to Idaho we have the largest roadless area in the lower 48 want to see it? well horseback,foot travel or sightseeing out of a plane is the only way and that should be true for yellowstone as well. It has been turned into a money maker for the goverment...if the Utah land is headed for the same fate then nothing has been saved.

 

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if you want to see wilderness come to Idaho we have the largest roadless area in the lower 48 want to see it?


Yo Ryde, shhhhhhhhhhh! Don't encourage the boneheads. Send them to Yellowstone or the Grand Canyon or Disneyworld.

 

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To say that Yellowstone is a disgrace to our parks system does not quite make sense to me. YNP is the world's first National Park and basically is what started the conservation of land movement.

Are there alot of roads in Yellowstone? Yes, but it is also 2.2 million acres in size. The beauty of Yellowstone is that 99% of the visitors do stay on the roads which only show people a small percentage of the park. To really enjoy Yellowstone, you have to put on a backpack and get out into the backcountry. There is roughly 1,000 miles of trails in the park and foot traffic is fairly slim. I have gone out on 5 day excursions without seeing another soul.

Just for the record, the most remote land in the lower 48 is actually in the southeast corner of the park in an area called the Thorofare. This was used by natives as a thruway between Yellowstone and the Jackson Hole area.

 

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Not so fast poncho... i am all for saving ROADLESS wilderness if there are roads and parks and others stuff already there is is already effed up and is not wilderness... so get yo facts straight before speaking for me ...

Example yellowstone park...is a tourist trap and a disgrace to our parks system,hotels stores and roads out the A$$.... if you want to see wilderness come to Idaho we have the largest roadless area in the lower 48 want to see it? well horseback,foot travel or sightseeing out of a plane is the only way and that should be true for yellowstone as well. It has been turned into a money maker for the goverment...if the Utah land is headed for the same fate then nothing has been saved.



Someday I hope to visit the Nez Perce National Forest, Idaho Panhandle National Forests, Sawtooth National Forest, Challis National Forest, Payette National Forest, Targhee National forest, Salmon National Forest,
Clearwater National Forest, Boise National Forest, and Caribou National Forest in your home state, Rydethwind (All ON FOOT of course!!).

 

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To say that Yellowstone is a disgrace to our parks system does not quite make sense to me. YNP is the world's first National Park and basically is what started the conservation of land movement.

Are there alot of roads in Yellowstone? Yes, but it is also 2.2 million acres in size. The beauty of Yellowstone is that 99% of the visitors do stay on the roads which only show people a small percentage of the park. To really enjoy Yellowstone, you have to put on a backpack and get out into the backcountry. There is roughly 1,000 miles of trails in the park and foot traffic is fairly slim. I have gone out on 5 day excursions without seeing another soul.

Just for the record, the most remote land in the lower 48 is actually in the southeast corner of the park in an area called the Thorofare. This was used by natives as a thruway between Yellowstone and the Jackson Hole area.
Agree - Yellowstone is beautiful. Like all National Parks, there can be a lot of people on the roadways but it is still feasible to go off the beaten path and find solitude. I've been able to do this in most of the National Parks I've been blessed to visit (Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, Tetons, Yosemite, Smokies, all of the parks in southern Utah). I am thankful that the National Park System became a reality with Grant and Yellowstone all those years ago. I can only imagine what some of these areas would be like without that protective cover.

woodsdweller - you will not regret visiting those areas you mention in Idaho (Mike's backyard ). It's absolutely beautiful country.

 

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To say that Yellowstone is a disgrace to our parks system does not quite make sense to me. YNP is the world's first National Park and basically is what started the conservation of land movement.

Are there alot of roads in Yellowstone? Yes, but it is also 2.2 million acres in size. The beauty of Yellowstone is that 99% of the visitors do stay on the roads which only show people a small percentage of the park. To really enjoy Yellowstone, you have to put on a backpack and get out into the backcountry. There is roughly 1,000 miles of trails in the park and foot traffic is fairly slim. I have gone out on 5 day excursions without seeing another soul.

Just for the record, the most remote land in the lower 48 is actually in the southeast corner of the park in an area called the Thorofare. This was used by natives as a thruway between Yellowstone and the Jackson Hole area.
Agree - Yellowstone is beautiful. Like all National Parks, there can be a lot of people on the roadways but it is still feasible to go off the beaten path and find solitude. I've been able to do this in most of the National Parks I've been blessed to visit (Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, Tetons, Yosemite, Smokies, all of the parks in southern Utah). I am thankful that the National Park System became a reality with Grant and Yellowstone all those years ago. I can only imagine what some of these areas would be like without that protective cover.

woodsdweller - you will not regret visiting those areas you mention in Idaho (Mike's backyard ). It's absolutely beautiful country.


Most of my hiking/backpacking excursions have been here in the East (Adirondack Park, White Mountain National Forest, Green Mountain National Forest, Baxter State Park, Catskill Park and other places) and it's definitely nowhere near on the scale of western wild places. The more I read about those places out west, the more I want to be there, lolasdeb.

 

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Most of my hiking/backpacking excursions have been here in the East (Adirondack Park, White Mountain National Forest, Green Mountain National Forest, Baxter State Park, Catskill Park and other places) and it's definitely nowhere near on the scale of western wild places. The more I read about those places out west, the more I want to be there, lolasdeb.
And I have yet to do much adventuring in the East/NE but it's definitely on my list! If you were to choose a couple of spots from the areas you mention to camp, what would they be?

 

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Most of my hiking/backpacking excursions have been here in the East (Adirondack Park, White Mountain National Forest, Green Mountain National Forest, Baxter State Park, Catskill Park and other places) and it's definitely nowhere near on the scale of western wild places. The more I read about those places out west, the more I want to be there, lolasdeb.
And I have yet to do much adventuring in the East/NE but it's definitely on my list! If you were to choose a couple of spots from the areas you mention to camp, what would they be?


Well, in the White Mountains of New Hampshire there's a whole host of Camping options:
1. To stay overnight at one of the Appalachian Mountain Club's above-treeline Huts, which are all
located at spectacular scenic locations (most of them above 4,000 feet).
2. There are numerous lean-tos/shelters located on various trails in the Whites
3. You can have a more primitive camping experience 200 feet off-trail
4. There are many state campgrounds located in the Whites.
http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/forests/white_mountain/
http://www.outdoors.org
My favorite place to spend the night in the Whites is the Pemigewasset Wilderness.

Baxter State Park in Maine is a little more restrictive about where you can camp.
My favorite place to camp there is at Chimney Pond, right in the shadow of
Mount Katahdin, Maine's tallest mountain.

http://www.baxterstateparkauthority.com

In New York's Adirondacks, nothing beats the camping in the
High Peaks Wilderness.
http://www.apa.state.ny.us/About_Park/
http://www.adk.org

Vermont's Green Mountains have numerous shelters
along the trails (Appalachian Trail and The Long Trail).

http://greenmountainclub.org

In New York's Catskill Mountains, I love the primitive camping
you can do between Slide and Cornell Mountains.

http://www.catskillpark.org

[Edited on 1/27/2009 by woodsdweller]

 

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Thanks for this info, woodsdweller!!! Gives me something to think (and dream ) about! Looking forward to taking a closer look at these sites.

 

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I think all of us posting here have an understanding of the National Park system, US Forests and Wilderness areas.

Each offers something different to those wishing to visit them. I've spent a good amount of time in Rocky Mountain National Park and love it. But the roads I previously spoke of (and often dream of) aren't the paved type, or even the maintained dirt/gravel type. They are the unmaintained US Forest roads that can't be traveled by regular car or 2wd truck. The ones that require some level of modification to one's vehicle in order to drive on them. Please don't try to take them away. The land is large enough for everyone to enjoy in their own way.

 
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