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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 10:16 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28621680/

I read this this morning. Can't please all the people all the time!

 
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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 10:17 AM
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The maddening search for the next true god of blues-rock guitar continues. The Derek Trucks detour reveals no shortcut.


Ouch...

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 10:19 AM
MSNBC blows.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 10:24 AM
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Trucks is revered among fretboard fans as the latest incarnation of Eric Clapton. Yet when the soulful Brit burst onto the scene, he brought life into his licks, whereas Trucks offers merely complacent proficiency.


 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 10:28 AM
I think some people arnt into dtb

because their approach to dtb is that the music should be built around
a bunch of fast solos and seeing how many notes he can squeeze in

instead dtb is a group of musicans that gives each member input
and room to improve

dtbs albums and shows have never been built around a guitarist an enginer
and hired studio musicans that are just there to make the guitarist sound better

I think this what derek such a giving a musican it isnt about his ego
its about letting musicans groove

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 10:46 AM
That is actually a review by an AP writer; just picked up by MSNBC. I listened to the stream a few times last week. I'll pick up the CD today. It did seem to miss a smokin' instrumental in the middle. Even something like Cheezecake (one of the ones with Latin/percussion heavy sections or the world music vibe would be cool). Most of his other records have had something instrumental that went "out there" a bit.

I'll give the whole thing a listen on my home stereo and post thoughts/review later today.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 11:11 AM
My take on the album so far is that it is newly focused on songwirting instead of guitar hero-dom, which Derek has stated before is in his opinion, past its era. Musicians have to work for their bread and this album shows a new side of Derek that many may not be too familiar with yet- songwriting and well-structured ones at that. With a break on long solos, focusing more on well-formed statements and a derivation from the jam band song structure of opening up a portion of the song to jam until the jam is done.

I hear a lot of Eric Clapton's influence in this album. This reminds me of 461 Ocean Blvd, where redefinition of persona and musical direction was at the heart of the art. dTb focus on new capabilities, as a band, song smiths and producers. This may not prove to be the best album to date, although I believe it has the potential to be just that, but it is a very strong product from a band that is constantly refining and redefining themselves. I like that they trust their fanbase enough to explore this way and know that we will still be there.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 11:22 AM
I'll trust Lefty's review before some AP writers.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 11:30 AM
Having not yet heard the album, but being familiar with what Derek is capable of as a guitarist, all I will ad to this discussion is....sometimes it's not what you play, it's what you DON'T play that makes a song great. Derek knows how to shred, but not every song needs a scorching solo to get it's point across.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 11:43 AM
Music reviews are almost always pointless, rarely worth the ink (or the pixels). Movie reviews make sense, since it is a more universal art, but music is dependent upon such personal tastes, far more subjective, that reading another random writer's opinion is not even useful. Even two fans of the Allman Brothers will have wildly different opinions song-to-song, album-to-album, regardless of the mutual appreciation. I also think a lot of good music takes a while to sink in. While there are plenty of tunes and albums that I loved immediately, a lot of my favorite music took a few sessions until I really appreciated everything the was happening.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 11:52 AM
I'm currently listening to Already Free for the first time as type this (Picked it up at FYE a couple of hours ago), and I'm up to track 8 (Down Don't Bother Me). I concur with porkchopbob's comment that it will take a few listening sessions before totally soaking it all in. My initial impression: VIBE. The album has a vibe to it, that flows from track to track. This is definitely a SONG album, nothing like Joyful Noise or Live at Georgia Theater, nor should it be, because, as the old saying goes, "Been there, Done that". All the musicianship you expect from DTB is there, but refined and in service of the song. Derek is really ripping up a solo at the end of track 8, which just finished as I type this. I'm looking forward to getting to know this album, and the last one, Songlines, had a huge impact on me. As for the MSNBC review, I'd take it with a grain of a salt and let your own ears decide...From what I've heard so far, this a BEAUTIFUL album.

[Edited on 1/13/2009 by woodsdweller]

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 12:37 PM
What sucks is that this is an AP review. It gets printed in all sorts of newspapers and websites nationwide. It will, no doubt, influence your average music buyer who might not be so familiar with dTb.

I've listened to the album a couple of times now and I liked it more the second time. Actually like the Doyle B songs quite a bit, as well as the tunes I heard live last tour. Is it my favorite dTb album? Not yet. I definitely would have enjoyed a nice instrumental somewhere. Overall, I think it sounds pretty great. Still doesn't touch the dTb live experience for me though. This band is all about the live performance IMO.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 12:48 PM
Complacent proficiency ? I have never seen or Derek play complacently.....

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 01:03 PM
Not everyone will like the album, which is why I never ever make decisions about anything based on a critic's review. If I did that I wouldn't see half the movies I see, I wouldn't be driving the cars I have, and I probably wouldn't own half the albums I do.

Not so sure I would base my decision about this album on what a guy who's online review credits include this has to say:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20080908/music-review-kimya-dawson-kids-cd- for-adults-too.htm

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 01:14 PM
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Seems as if the reviewer was expecting to hear an Yngwie Malmsteen album, doesn't it?
I have To agree I believe some people in the media wanted a bunch of several speedy overdubs

I have listened to it 5 times I dont wanna tie myself to anyone one opionon
but for the fanbase this possibly our Working Mans Dead

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 01:28 PM
I never listen to critic's opinions as it's just one person's opinion.

There are so many albums that were panned by critics that I love. My advice is to enjoy Derek's new album and forget about any criticisms you might read.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 02:17 PM
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Trucks is revered among fretboard fans as the latest incarnation of Eric Clapton. Yet when the soulful Brit burst onto the scene, he brought life into his licks, whereas Trucks offers merely complacent proficiency.
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those who can do....do
those whao can't do...teach
those who can't do or teach ? criticize

i think it is a great CD...not a guitar god CD at all..althought DT smokes..just some great Bluesy jams, composed in a great way

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 02:20 PM
I'm listening to it right now as I type...some great songs on this album. Down in the Flood just grooves...

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 02:26 PM
I don't worry what other folks think about this CD or other CD's as far as that goes. If I like it I listen too it, If I don't I throw it in the stack. I have bought many CD's over the years where folks say its great and I find out it sucks and vice versa.

Most new CD's have to grow on me. So I say...............so far so good!!

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 03:30 PM
I think that the live thing is where Derek does most of his stretching out. And obviously, that is well documented with the amount of live recordings that are out there. So, I would assume that in Derek's mind, why recreate what he does day in and day out. I think the people so far that have said he is more interested in a BAND record are on point. He wants the overall music to come first- he doesn't want it to be a "guitar" album.

With that said, I think this is an extremely SAFE album. The songs are solid- but there is nothing particularly adventurous- I think the song with Susan is the best song on the album because it really is unlike any song they've recorded before. And don't get me wrong- it sounds great and everyone plays well, and it's good. It's just SAFE. And I don't know what that exactly means, but I kind of miss the jazzier more experimental side of this band.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 03:41 PM
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Trucks is revered among fretboard fans as the latest incarnation of Eric Clapton. Yet when the soulful Brit burst onto the scene, he brought life into his licks, whereas Trucks offers merely complacent proficiency.
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those who can do....do
those whao can't do...teach
those who can't do or teach ? criticize

i think it is a great CD...not a guitar god CD at all..althought DT smokes..just some great Bluesy jams, composed in a great way


I'll say this... After the first listen, I did say, "where's that one jaw-dropping DT solo?"

After maybe 50 more spins, I literally can't stop singing the solo on Down In The Flood to myself. I've learned to play it in Open E and standard tuning, and I've spent hours trying to nail each phrase and nuance that Derek summons.

For my money that's the most lyrical, propulsive, nearly-note-perfect solo I've ever heard Derek play.

It's not a guitar god solo in any way, shape or form... There's no Jimmy Herring runs up and down the fretboard, no crazy Warren-esque trills, but damn, that solo fits the song so well it's almost frustrating for me to hear it played differently when they play it live. Almost, anyway...

[Edited on 1/13/2009 by mglowenstein]


I love the fact that derek seems to be playing more open chords
on this disk , he didnt scale back and it isnt simple
He just brought his sound to practicle chording

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 04:33 PM
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MSNBC blows.


just because you don't agree with them?

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 05:41 PM
If I listened to every bad music review I have ever read I would have missed out on lots of good music. I will be my own critic.

 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 05:43 PM
My DTB disc is fine except it is missing THREE TRACKS....
 

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  posted on 1/13/2009 at 09:32 PM
this guy must think that being a good blues-rock guitarist means playing fast, long, and loud.

 
 


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