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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 03:54 PM
A few days ago bigann posted the following
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You have an amazing lack of tolerance for someone who doesn't agree with you. I've never criticized your views....I've asked you to not criticize mine.
in my thread “Judge not…”

I’ve worked side-by-side with gays, lesbians, Blacks, Asians, and a fuller range of people than I can remember. Atheists, pagans, Jews, Buddhists (I imagine), New Agers – I’ve worked with all of them. In my job I deal respectfully with an even wider range of types than I’m likely to be aware of. Nobody has ever complained that I showed any intolerance toward them.

I freely confess to being intolerant but only in the areas where God is, no more, no less. I follow His lead, I don’t define it.

And for that matter, why is it wrong to be intolerant? What’s the moral principle that determines this?

I’ll continue to criticize beliefs and behaviors when I think they’re wrong. I don’t do this to offend so if my doing this does so, it’s in the receiver’s eye alone. This isn’t intolerance, but just giving an opinion. If you don’t like this, you’re free to disagree.

BTW, I did Google check on the terms “The Left” and “Intolerant” and found a lot of hits. Here are a few, followed by the authors’ headlines (not mine ):

http://www.adherents.com/misc/liberal_conservative.html : Left-Wing Intolerance
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/2031/ : ‘The left has been infected by the disease of intolerance’
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=83158 : Intolerant ignoramuses on the left
http://prairiepundit.blogspot.com/2008/11/intolerance-watch-on-left.html : “Intolerance Watch on the Left”
http://www.thepaytons.org/essays/considerettes/?p=2600 The Rick Warren Kerfuffle and The "Tolerant" Left
http://www.redpills.org/?p=2256 The Left is NOT tolerant because they are NOT LIBERALS! They are Leftists!
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MzU5MTc2MDU2ZmVjMWNiNTZhZjc0NDBlZjE3MW M5ZTI= Married to the Mob
http://digg.com/politics/Abortion_and_Intolerance_Constants_of_the_Left : Abortion and Intolerance: Constants of the Left?
http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/dec/09/opinion-left-intolerant-of-oppo sing-views/ : THOMAS SOWELL: Left intolerant of opposing views
http://nospeedbumps.com/?p=432 : Hysteria+Intolerance on the Left
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/17/the-statistical-proof-of-liberal-intol erance/ : The statistical proof of liberal intolerance
http://sibbyonline.blogs.com/sibbyonline/2008/12/the-intolerant-and-angry-l eft.html : The intolerant and angry left
http://sibbyonline.blogs.com/sibbyonline/2008/12/the-intolerant-and-angry-l eft-part-ii.html : The intolerant and angry left, Part II
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2008/10/log-cabin-repub.html : Log Cabin Republicans: 'The Intolerant Left'
http://notalib.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/the-intolerant-left/ : The Intolerant Left
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/intolerant_angry_left/2008/10/06/137659.htm l : Left Are Intolerant, Angry
http://www.americanexperiment.org/publications/1998/199810pearlstein.php : Intolerance on the Left
http://dirtyharrysplace.com/?p=5572 : Gay Marriage: Intolerance Only On The Left
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1630004,00.html : Beware the Bloggers' Bile
http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2008/11/documented-intolerance-from-left-in. html : Documented intolerance from the left in California and Florida over same sex marriage amendments
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/the_democrats_fearful_and_into.html : Rebutting the Democrats' Fearful and Intolerant Attacks on Sarah Palin
http://adamhamilton.cor.org/2008/12/18/intolerance-on-the-left-and-the-righ t/ : Intolerance on the Left and the Right (We're not perfect!)
http://www.chronwatch-america.com/articles/4071/1/Traditional-Marriage-War- Exposes-Lefts-Intolerance/Page1.html : Traditional-Marriage War Exposes Left's Intolerance
http://politicalclassdismissed.com/?p=2652 : The left’s intolerance follows from their rejection of reason and logic
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-grenell/intolerance-is-back-again_b_1 31901.html?page=2&show_comment_id=16447547#comment_16447547 : Intolerance is Back Again

I know that some will reject these for any number of reasons. But they’re intolerant since they don’t have the tolerance they claim that would let them tolerate my views. This is hypocritical judgment, the kind Jesus warned about.

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 04:13 PM
And you are started a new thread to call out someone in the "Judge Not" thread?

how many google hits did you get for right wing intolerance?

just curious?

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 04:14 PM
Bill, I think you are the kind Jesus warned about. You catagorize and judge people, and claim moral superiority by saying you are just following "God's lead." You think you are going to Heaven, and some others aren't. You have a weird need to prove "the Left " is wrong, and you are right.

OK, I'll buy it. Leftists are intolerant people. So are most Christians I know. They are the ones who want to deny people they've never met a right they have themselves by ammending the Constitution, because of their religious beliefs. Doesn't sound very tolerant to me. Being tolerant is allowing other people to live their lives any way they want, and not trying to force your own views or values on them.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 04:33 PM
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I believe that principle would be 'basic human decency.'






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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 04:33 PM
bigann's opinion on one issue in one post in one sentence on a music website represents "the Left?"

What the eff ever.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 04:57 PM
Wow, Bill. Im kind of surprised. Youre using a lot of hardcore right wing sites to show us that the left is intolerant? Loading up on bias, no matter what side your on, doesnt make the point true.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 04:59 PM
OK, folks what did we learn here:
a. The Left is intolerant
B. The right is intolerant
c. This was a waste of time
d. John was wrong....but not by much.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 05:14 PM
Jesus, Bill, we get it. We get it. You've stated this same position over and over and over again, starting thread after thread after thread. We get it.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 05:16 PM
Wow, prejudice from the religous right! What a surprise(sic). Bill must not have caught the tone of the last 2 elections or did not understand that the average person is sick of this intolerance from the right. No matter if it is wrapped in religion or not. Asking Bill to think about other possibilities has caused him to meltdown.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 05:20 PM
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Jesus, Bill, we get it. We get it. You've stated this same position over and over and over again, starting thread after thread after thread. We get it.


What do we get?


We get how he feels about this subject. expressed, discussed, dissected, slammed, praised, over and over and over and over.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 05:30 PM
I'm not judging anything and am not writing this from any type of religious standpoint -- just an observation...

The Right never claimed to be so tolerant as the Left does. Traditional, common-sense beliefs based on logic, personal responsibility and pragmatism maybe. But the the Right does not claim tolerance as one of its core principals. At least I didn't think so.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 05:31 PM
I'm a hypocrite? Because I dare to voice another perspective? I'm iintolerant because I express the right to have my own opinions and beliefs that don't agree with someone elses? I haven't ever asked anyone to not believe in their religion.....and I don't appreciate someone using their faith to beat me over the head with what they believe. I think everyone has the right to follow their own path......Bill doesn't. And that makes me the 'bad'guy?

 

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In the context of what Bill threw out, how exactly has anyone been intolerant of his beliefs? Is it because some of us express different ones? Does tolerance to the 'right' mean everyone has to think they're right and if they don't we're intolerant? what a screwy concept.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 05:44 PM
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And you are started a new thread to call out someone in the "Judge Not" thread?
Why not? The other thread reminded me of something I've been reading about and mulling over for quite a while. It happens all the time in conversations.
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how many google hits did you get for right wing intolerance?
Why bother? I figured someone else would do this. BTW, the number of Google hits means nothing as a quick look (or a little thinking) would reveal. Check it out for yourself.
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We need to be very careful here....we seem to be dealing with someone who appears to be so insecure in his beliefs that he can't tolerate other views. He might get 'bored' and decide to stop posting here like he did in the last thread.

 

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Bill, I think you are the kind Jesus warned about. You catagorize and judge people, and claim moral superiority by saying you are just following "God's lead."
SCB, forgive what sounds like sarcasm, but you desperately need a course in remedial reading skills. I've repeatedly made it clear that I don't judge people, but I do judge ideas and beliefs. These are easy concepts to grasp, and you don't help your position by blatantly misstating what I've explained
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You think you are going to Heaven, and some others aren't.
So what? Apparently you don't approve of what I think. This sounds intolerant and hypocritical. You're making my case for me. Thanks.
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You have a weird need to prove "the Left " is wrong, and you are right.
Why is is weird? If a person doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, he's a sociopath or a psychopath. It's important.
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OK, I'll buy it. Leftists are intolerant people. So are most Christians I know. They are the ones who want to deny people they've never met a right they have themselves by ammending the Constitution, because of their religious beliefs. Doesn't sound very tolerant to me. Being tolerant is allowing other people to live their lives any way they want, and not trying to force your own views or values on them.
You still don't get it. The Christians I know aren't like the ones you know, apparently.

BTW, what's this "right" you mention? If it's in the Constitution, tell me where. If not, then please don't try to bluff me.

Assuming you mean marriage, it's not a right, but a privilege. That's simply a matter of law. There are sound reasons apart from religious ones to keep it between one man and one woman.

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 05:54 PM
SCB, forgive what sounds like sarcasm, but you desperately need a course in remedial reading skills. I've repeatedly made it clear that I don't judge people, but I do judge ideas and beliefs.

We are the sum total of our beliefs, ideas and actions. Judge one, you judge them all.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 06:09 PM
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Wow, Bill. Im kind of surprised. Youre using a lot of hardcore right wing sites to show us that the left is intolerant? Loading up on bias, no matter what side your on, doesnt make the point true.
Squatch, I realize they run the range of right-ness, but I don't think that all are hard-core. "Time", and even Huffington Post, were in there as well

What concerns me the most is the widespread use of "intolerant" as an automatic knock on someone whose values differ from those of the speaker. It genuinely appears to me that the Left exhibits more intolerance than the Right. I still don't understand why intolerance itself is wrong but that's the image that comes across, and I don't think it's just my saying so.

Nearly always, when A says that B is intolerant, it's an insult, not a compliment. And since the Left seems to have turned this into a byword, I wanted to address the issue. As it is, everybody, without exception, has intolerances of one kind or another. I don't think it's good or bad by itself.

I don't intentionally troll, but I'm aware that sometimes when I state a strong opinion it's going to get some intense reactions. If people disagree with me, I can handle it. But many times, the responses are highly emotional and don't do much to defend the posters' points.

Given the time I could locate a lot wider range of sources, as well as track down items I've seen over the months.

I realize there's a lot of intolerance on the Right, but I honestly believe it's more widespread on the Left.

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 06:11 PM
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Jesus, Bill, we get it. We get it. You've stated this same position over and over and over again, starting thread after thread after thread. We get it.
Just like countless others post repeatedly. But when someone calls me intolerant, and is grossly mistaken, I'll bring it up again. I haven't exceeded my quota, have I?

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In the context of what Bill threw out, how exactly has anyone been intolerant of his beliefs? Is it because some of us express different ones? Does tolerance to the 'right' mean everyone has to think they're right and if they don't we're intolerant? what a screwy concept.
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You have an amazing lack of tolerance for someone who doesn't agree with you.
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We need to be very careful here....we seem to be dealing with someone who appears to be so insecure in his beliefs that he can't tolerate other views. He might get 'bored' and decide to stop posting here like he did in the last thread.
I see you're taking this to the playground. I'm secure enough in by beliefs that I don't need to explore the alternatives, just as I'm secure enough in my marriage that I don't need to keep looking. I know that my beliefs are right. This doesn't mean that I don't tolerate other people (sorry you didn't catch all that I posted at the beginning of this thread). But I can tolerate that someone else has different beliefs without considering them correct.

And I'm sorry you're afraid I might take my ball and go home. (I hadn't thought of it this way before, so I had to drop back about 50 years into the memory banks.)

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In the context of what Bill threw out, how exactly has anyone been intolerant of his beliefs? Is it because some of us express different ones? Does tolerance to the 'right' mean everyone has to think they're right and if they don't we're intolerant? what a screwy concept.
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You have an amazing lack of tolerance for someone who doesn't agree with you.
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I'm intolerant because I called you intolerant even after you posted this:

I freely confess to being intolerant but only in the areas where God is, no more, no less. I follow His lead, I don’t define it.


That doesn't even make sense.

 

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And you are started a new thread to call out someone in the "Judge Not" thread?

how many google hits did you get for right wing intolerance?

just curious?
I agree here - interesting that you felt a new thread was necessary to respond to something occurring in another thread, Bill, and equally interesting the level to which you take your protest against the intolerance label... this seems to have struck a nerve with you (which often indicates there is some truth to be found...) As for the thread title not sure where you're going with this... appears to me that intolerance exists up, down, left, right, all over the place. I do not see where any 'Left hypocrisy' comes into play.

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 07:57 PM
I guess if you're against unjust wars, you're intolerant of those who start them. Guilty.
 

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  posted on 1/2/2009 at 08:05 PM
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