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  posted on 12/19/2008 at 02:09 PM
Derek's seems more than a little restrained on his two tracks (Greensleeves and Slapback Blues). And very little of his soloing is on slide. Personally disappointed. Seems almost too respectful in his playing, surpresssing his "inner Derek". Both Jon Scofield (Mr. PC) and Marc Ribot (Passion Dance) cut loose (and McCoy matches and exceeds them every step of the way- still a truly amazing player). Interestingly it was Bela Fleck who got to do My Favorite Things. As I believe McCoy gave each guest the opportunity to choose their own selections, it seems like Derek could have been more adventuresome.

One cool aspect of this package is the DVD where you can select which musician to focus on during their performance. Only one video per guest artist (Derek's is Greensleeves).

[Edited on 12/19/2008 by dzobo]

 

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  posted on 12/20/2008 at 12:23 AM
Have to agree with you on this. I was really looking forward to this as Derek and McCoy are two of my favorite musicians. Derek definitely seems to be playing it safe, especially on Slapback Blues. Still a great disc, but I was a little surprised.
 

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  posted on 12/22/2008 at 12:35 PM
you nailed it when you said "too respectful." if he wanted to, he could have stolen the album. but derek is always reserved when playing with legends. i saw him with clapton and santana. he held back both times. he only lets go when he is with friends (warren and jimmy) and when he is trying to make a point (jon meyer.)
 

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  posted on 12/23/2008 at 02:30 PM
I wondered if Mayer might come up in the converstation!

 

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  posted on 12/23/2008 at 02:46 PM
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Derek's seems more than a little restrained on his two tracks (Greensleeves and Slapback Blues). And very little of his soloing is on slide. Personally disappointed. Seems almost too respectful in his playing, surpresssing his "inner Derek". Both Jon Scofield (Mr. PC) and Marc Ribot (Passion Dance) cut loose (and McCoy matches and exceeds them every step of the way- still a truly amazing player). Interestingly it was Bela Fleck who got to do My Favorite Things. As I believe McCoy gave each guest the opportunity to choose their own selections, it seems like Derek could have been more adventuresome.

One cool aspect of this package is the DVD where you can select which musician to focus on during their performance. Only one video per guest artist (Derek's is Greensleeves).

[Edited on 12/19/2008 by dzobo]


Subtlety has it's place. Go back in time and listen to some of Duane's Session/guest work. A rhythm part here, a lead lick there....

 

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  posted on 12/23/2008 at 07:40 PM
I don't think subtlety is the issue. Personally I would enjoy hearing more acoustic from Derek. I think that the McCoy Tyner session offered some groundbreaking opportunities. You have John Coltrane's pianist matched up with a guitarist noted for his huge tone, emotional feel, musical breath, and improvisational abilities who tries to sound horn-like in his playing.

McCoy Tyner joined Coltrane in his relentless search at the boundaries of musical expression where music was an ever expanding exploration to the depths of one's soul/spirituality. I'm sure McCoy would have enjoyed the experience of another epiphany if Derek cut loose in a similar way. It isn't like he couldn't keep up with whatever Derek decided to throw down. Ron Carter and Jack DeJonette are no slouches either.

And jazz (particularly jazz guitar) could really have used this. Despite the dexterity and compositional abilities of its foremost players, jazz guitar has never had the bite that it's noted horn players (Parker, Coltrane, Davis) have delivered. I think a golden opportunity to blow the roof off the place and have the jazz community really take notice was missed.

 

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  posted on 12/24/2008 at 07:22 AM
If you want to hear more of a "Derek" version...listen to Derek's band! Sadly, we can't go back and change it now!

 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 11:14 AM
I think it goes a little further than being "too respectful". And before I say this, I want to preface it with the fact that I love Trucks and all that he does- but he sounded to me like he was intimidated which caused him to play tight- like he wasn't relaxed. (And rightly so- I mean he was playing with monsters) And while Derek excells in certain areas of jazz- he does not have the years of experience of playing the kind of complex music that cats like Scofield, Frisell, and Bela Fleck do. Derek will- he is by far the youngest player on that album- he'll exceed all these guys with time. But in my opinion it was Bela that really took the music to some interesting places. But honestly- the whole album was a gimmick because the truly compelling work on their happens within the trio of McCoy, Ron, and Jack. It should have been a trio record.
 

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  posted on 12/27/2008 at 05:34 PM
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Derek's seems more than a little restrained on his two tracks (Greensleeves and Slapback Blues). And very little of his soloing is on slide. Personally disappointed. Seems almost too respectful in his playing, surpresssing his "inner Derek". Both Jon Scofield (Mr. PC) and Marc Ribot (Passion Dance) cut loose (and McCoy matches and exceeds them every step of the way- still a truly amazing player). Interestingly it was Bela Fleck who got to do My Favorite Things. As I believe McCoy gave each guest the opportunity to choose their own selections, it seems like Derek could have been more adventuresome.

One cool aspect of this package is the DVD where you can select which musician to focus on during their performance. Only one video per guest artist (Derek's is Greensleeves).

[Edited on 12/19/2008 by dzobo]


definitely feel the same way. Got the feeling Derek was holding back a bit. Still love the album.
I also would have loved to have heard a cut just with the trio. Ron Carter and Jack D blew me away on this disc.

[Edited on 1/3/2009 by stormyrider]

 

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  posted on 2/11/2009 at 03:58 PM
Derek's comments in this recent interview adds much needed perspective to what went on during this session. Can't say enough about Derek's respectfulness, consideratiion, and sensitivity toward others. I only hope that next time he gets such a musical opportunity he gets to be the first one at the session and not the last as occurred this time.

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Ryan: Have you ever stepped into a musical situation where you felt slightly overwhelmed or that maybe you were in over your head? For example you played on McCoy Tyner’s Guitars album alongside not only McCoy, but Ron Carter and Jack DeJohnette as well. I would imagine that playing with someone of McCoy’s stature must have been a very special moment for you.

Derek: Yeah for sure. That’s one of those moments where you walk in and think “Now this is some serious water here that you’re wading in” [laughing]. It’s also a respect thing too. I don’t want to come into a situation like that because it’s an acoustic album and its McCoy’s record, so you don’t want to come in with the guns completely blazing. To me it’s as much of an honor to be a part of it as it is to see what you can come up with. It’s a fine line in those situations. Sometimes your look, your age, race or whatever it is, if you come in with an attitude it can push people in the wrong direction. So I always air on the side of caution and try to come in humble and respectful and try to fit into what’s going on rather than trying to shift it. You judge each situation on its own merits but with that one I felt like McCoy being a Coltrane alumni, his age and just being this sweet guy. It was the end of a very long day for them, they had done the whole record and I was the last one to come in so they were pretty spent. I just thought I’d ease on in and make it real easy for everybody.

Ryan: While you’re fan of their music, just having them ask you to appear on their album not only validates what you do as a musician but it also shows that they’re recognizing you as one of their peers at the same time.

Derek: Yeah. Those situations are both humbling and a confidence builder at the same time. To go into a situation like that and then when you leave you think “Wow I just recorded with McCoy Tyner” you know? [laughing] Those things definitely make you feel that way. I think a lot of times the reason you get asked to do those things is because if you come into the situation in a respectful way then people appreciate that. It’s a very small world in this realm, in this business. You don’t want to come in and be this **** because word will get around and you won’t get those calls. So it’s very important the weight that you leave behind you is what you want it to be and what it should be. So when you get a call from Richie Havens to play on his record, I mean I love Richie, so yeah of course I’ll do it. You make sure you ask them “What do you want to hear on this? It’s your record not mine”. I’ve been fortunate to be on some records that I was just proud to be a part of.

 

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  posted on 2/24/2009 at 07:39 AM
I think it may have something to do with Derek's dress code!! He wore a T-Shirt to the recording.

John Synder says on the inner sleave of the album...." Ron Carter will get in your face without hesitiation, and despite the fact that he is a kind and generous human being, he has no bedside manner whatsoever. And if you're wearing a T-Shirt with an instrument in your hand you're probably going to regret it...."

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  posted on 2/25/2009 at 02:31 PM
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John Synder says on the inner sleave of the album...." Ron Carter will get in your face without hesitiation, and despite the fact that he is a kind and generous human being, he has no bedside manner whatsoever. And if you're wearing a T-Shirt with an instrument in your hand you're probably going to regret it...."/quote]

LOL! i wonder what derek did when he was scolded by ron. by the way, that's a little unfair of carter. he played on A Tribe Called Quest's "Low End Theory" album. i wonder if he required the same dress code from the rappers. doubt it.

 

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