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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 06:52 AM
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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 07:04 AM
Yeah it sets a real dangerous precedent to get well educated intelligent people who spend their careers championing causes for the less fortunate involved in government.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 07:50 AM
Perhaps you'd prefer someone less well-off for the post. You know, like Blagojevich, who sought to use his office for personal gain. You do know the ancient Greeks, inventors of democracy, favored the affluent for leadership positions for this very reason?

But I'm not convinced Caroline is the best pick either. Who would you favor?

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 07:57 AM
How about anyone for the people by the people. How about someone NOT tied to the system that will work for the little guy and not just the elite and rich. Now that would be some change I could believe in. Hillary says to back off, so I better stop talking about it. I don't want to get on her bad side, she can be a real, well just ask Bill. Who I want just doesn't matter, it's who the people of NY want that matter and who the gov wants. One way or another, it will just be another insider that doesn't care about you and me.
 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 09:11 AM
For the Senate seats that Obama and Clinton are vacating, I don't why Illinois and New York don't have "Special Elections" to fill them. Let whoever wants to be Senator actually run for the office, and be elected by people in those states. Set a date for those interested in the job to file and then hold the election 60 days later. Seems to me that would be a better and fairer way of filling those positions.
 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 10:13 AM
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When are we going to get back to government by the people for the people, instead of government by the rich for the rich? This is exactly what is wrong with our country. At least the people that live in the Hamptons will be taken care of quite nicely by the Kennedys, but if you live in upstate NY, good luck. This woman has NEVER shown an interest in running for anything, but hey, if you are going to just GIVE it to her, she might as well jump into the frey. This is a pathetic and sad take on Amerikan politics today. The rich get richer, yeah! Go Caroline!


Who would have been a better choice?

 

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For the Senate seats that Obama and Clinton are vacating, I don't why Illinois and New York don't have "Special Elections" to fill them. Let whoever wants to be Senator actually run for the office, and be elected by people in those states. Set a date for those interested in the job to file and then hold the election 60 days later. Seems to me that would be a better and fairer way of filling those positions.


Elections are expensive, unfortunately. To run a special election in Cook County, IL alone for instance would cost $8 million in funds through a special appropriation from the state legislature, then add in the rest of the state.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 10:24 AM
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Who would have been a better choice?
To start; somone with an ounce of experience in holding political office.

You wouldn't pluck some unknown from the masses to run a big company, having no experience whatsoever. But because of her name and connections, it's ok to have her take public office in one of the highest elected positions in government?

There's plenty of people who have worked long, hard years to prove themselves in the political system. To have a novice plucked from her cushy existence and annointed to such a high position is an insult to the idea of hard work and achievement through deeds.

 

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Who would have been a better choice?
To start; somone with an ounce of experience in holding political office.

You wouldn't pluck some unknown from the masses to run a big company, having no experience whatsoever. But because of her name and connections, it's ok to have her take public office in one of the highest elected positions in government?

There's plenty of people who have worked long, hard years to prove themselves in the political system. To have a novice plucked from her cushy existence and annointed to such a high position is an insult to the idea of hard work and achievement through deeds.


Wait a second. I just don't get you guys sometimes. We hear endlessly about how career politicians are destroying the country and we need someone different, but, wait a second, one must have loads of political experience to do the job effectively? I don't get it. Let me make it clear, I'm not leading a charge to get her into the Senate. It just seems that nothing is going to make people happy no matter what happens.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 10:48 AM
Fortunately, even if she's appointed by Patterson, she'll need to be elected and re-elected in the span of about 2 years. And I'll say this about Hilary's tenure. She spent more time in upstate, NY than any previous Republican Senator ever did. Upstate, NY has taken on more significance the past couple of election cycles at the state level and she'll need to continue what Hilary started in order to continue that trend for the "good of the party." Personally, I support Andrew Cuomo and hope he gets the nod from Patterson.
 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 11:01 AM
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Who would have been a better choice?
To start; somone with an ounce of experience in holding political office.

You wouldn't pluck some unknown from the masses to run a big company, having no experience whatsoever. But because of her name and connections, it's ok to have her take public office in one of the highest elected positions in government?

There's plenty of people who have worked long, hard years to prove themselves in the political system. To have a novice plucked from her cushy existence and annointed to such a high position is an insult to the idea of hard work and achievement through deeds.


Wait a second. I just don't get you guys sometimes. We hear endlessly about how career politicians are destroying the country and we need someone different, but, wait a second, one must have loads of political experience to do the job effectively? I don't get it. Let me make it clear, I'm not leading a charge to get her into the Senate. It just seems that nothing is going to make people happy no matter what happens.
I knew you'd nail me on this angle as soon as I posted my response.

I don't know where the boundary lies between someone who is valuable because they have some experience in public office and those who have become "professional politicians". That's a debate that would probably never be solved to everyone's satisfaction.

But just as concerning as those who haven't held a job since their mid-20's in anything other than public office are those who have achieved little of note during their lives, other than being a member of the lucky sperm club. To say they deserve such trust and honor is a bit of a stretch, isn't it? Maybe she's done some remarkable things, but I haven't heard those reported, yet.

But as Chain said, the public will get to chose soon enough.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 11:05 AM
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I knew you'd nail me on this angle as soon as I posted my response.


Well, naturally. I expect nothing less from our resident anti-government anarchist.

How you been Rich?

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 11:43 AM
Bhawk,

Sure special elections cost a lot of money, but nevertheless those vacant Senate seats belong to the voting public in the states of Illinois and New York, and THEY (and only THEY) should be ones who decide who'll represent them in Senate. And if the states don't want to fund a "special election", then let those seats stay vacant til the next election cycle. A person should never be appointed as a Senator as a "Reward" for supporting the right candidate, and this exactly what's going on here.

If Caroline Kennedy wants to be a U.S. Senator then let her run for the position. and if the voters think she's best qualified then she'll be voted in. To hand her the job, simply because of her family name, and to continue their politial dynasty, is smack in the face to the voting public.

[Edited on 12/17/2008 by sibwlkr]

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 11:49 AM
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Sure special elections cost a lot of money, but nevertheless those vacant Senate seats belong to the voting public in the states of Illinois and New York, and THEY (and only THEY) should be ones who decide who'll represent them in Senate.


I couldn't agree more!

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And if the states don't want to fund a "special election", then let those seats stay vacant til the next election cycle.


Ehhh...that's sticky. I would see a scenario where Federal funds would be used to prevent that.

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A person should never be appointed as a Senator as a "Reward" for supporting the right candidate, and this exactly what's going on here.



Ideally that's true, but there's now more people interested in politics than ever before. This kind of thing used to not be that big of a deal (not that it shouldn't).

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If Caroline Kennedy wants to be a U.S. Senator then let her run for the position. and if the voters think she's best qualified then she'll be voted in. To hand her the job, simply because of her family name, and to continue their politial dynasty, is smack in the face to the voting public.


Again, I'm not sticking my neck out for Caroline Kennedy. Maybe it's time to overhaul the entire system of replacing Senators?

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 12:05 PM
Caroline has no qualifications for the job whatsoever and would be ANOTHER carpetbagger but at least she's lived longer than her old man.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 01:05 PM
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Caroline has no qualifications for the job whatsoever and would be ANOTHER carpetbagger but at least she's lived longer than her old man.


Classy. Youre a real piece of work.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 01:23 PM
Well, she has a Law degree so I guess she already passed the most important qualification to hold high office. Personally, I'd like to see more non-lawyers serving in these positions for a while.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 01:42 PM
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Caroline has no qualifications for the job whatsoever and would be ANOTHER carpetbagger but at least she's lived longer than her old man.


Classy. Youre a real piece of work.


It's long past time we quit believing the Camelot fairy tale. The man was a marginal president who died in office. Nothing more.

 

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Caroline has no qualifications for the job whatsoever and would be ANOTHER carpetbagger but at least she's lived longer than her old man.


Classy. Youre a real piece of work.


It's long past time we quit believing the Camelot fairy tale. The man was a marginal president who died in office. Nothing more.


What has that got to do with Caroline? And why won't you admit you were wrong when you called her a carpetbagger? It's funny how you ignore it when people prove you wrong. You don't have the balls to take past in an actual debate. Are you stuypid or are you jerking our chain?


The other poster was responding to my opinion of President Kennedy and I was responding to his response. As for Caroline, she HAS outlived her old man.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 01:52 PM
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I knew you'd nail me on this angle as soon as I posted my response.


Well, naturally. I expect nothing less from our resident anti-government anarchist.

How you been Rich?
I'm doing great Hawk - I sure hope you are too!

And what could be better for an anti-government anarchist crank like me than having more big government on the way to complain about? The day when it all collapses and falls over on itself will only come all the sooner.

I only hope that a few of you remember to post a "damn, Rich was right" comment when it all hits the fan.

Not that it will bring much joy if I'm right....

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 02:09 PM
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I only hope that a few of you remember to post a "damn, Rich was right" comment when it all hits the fan.


Of course! I'll send you a fruit basket...picked by illegals working for a bailout-financed company...

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 02:25 PM
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Well, she has a Law degree so I guess she already passed the most important qualification to hold high office. Personally, I'd like to see more non-lawyers serving in these positions for a while.


Yeah, we wouldn't want someone with specialized education in the law being a "lawmaker."

That said, I'm a little dubious about Caroline myself, since she lacks legislative experience and has never actually practiced law or had any real job to speak of.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 02:53 PM
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I only hope that a few of you remember to post a "damn, Rich was right" comment when it all hits the fan.


Of course! I'll send you a fruit basket...picked by illegals working for a bailout-financed company...


Actually, if Rich turns out to be right, you may be the one picking the fruit.
I just hope there will be some fruit to pick! The concept of "jobs that Americans won't do" will surely change a good bit!

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 03:04 PM
I've been reading that Caroline Kennedy has had no political experience and has never held a 'real' job. Do any of you actually know what she's done over the years? She's in the fortunate position of not having to earn a living doing the work she's been involved with and if someone would actually read what she has accomplished you'll see she's not so underqualified as some would have us believe.

Saying that volunteer work and serving on committees and foundations isn't a real job insults a number of women who use their talents for public benefit without compensation.

 

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  posted on 12/17/2008 at 03:14 PM
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Saying that volunteer work and serving on committees and foundations isn't a real job insults a number of women who use their talents for public benefit without compensation.


True, but the hubbub isn't about that. If her name was Jane Doe Jones it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

 

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