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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 05:20 PM
What is the alcohol content of Blue?

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 05:35 PM
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Here comes change! The new "green" taxes that are sure to thrill everyone. From a carbon tax on gas, to taxing farmers for farting cows, to now an Obesity tax. Watchout McDonalds, your next. Control thru taxation, I remember reading something on that in history class, I thnk it was tea back in the day. Now it is gas, food, and anything not "green". Oh well, if you can't make em' quit, tax it to death.


Governor Paterson proposes 'Obesity Tax,' a tax on non-diet sodas
BY GLENN BLAIN and KENNETH LOVETT
DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU

Sunday, December 14th 2008, 11:37 PM

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ALBANY - A can of Coke could soon cost New Yorkers more than just calories.

Gov. Paterson, as part of a $121 billion budget to be unveiled Tuesday, will propose an "obesity tax" of about 15% on nondiet drinks.

This means a Diet Coke might sell for a $1 - even as the same size bottle of its calorie-rich alter ego would go for $1.15.

Paterson's budget also calls for a 3% cut in education spending, a $620-a-year tuition hike at SUNY and a $600 increase at CUNY - and about $3.5 billion in health care cuts, a source said.

The Democratic governor will not call for a broad-based income tax boost, but he will push to restore the sales tax on clothing and footwear.

The drastic belt-tightening comes as lawmakers struggle to close a $15 billion deficit this year and next.

"It's painful to make these decisions," Paterson said Sunday.

State employees again will be asked to forgo their 3% raises next year and defer five days' pay until they leave their jobs, the source said. In all, Paterson will propose about $9 billion in cuts, $4 billion in new taxes and fees, and $1.5 billion in nonrecurring revenue, a second source said.

The so-called obesity tax would generate an estimated $404 million a year. Milk, juice, diet soda and bottled water would be exempt from the tax.

"I'll just buy less," said Victor Lopez, 55, of Manhattan, as he drank a Coke at a midtown Subway store.

"I don't like to buy Diet Coke," said Amaury Garcia, 16, who works at a flower shop in Penn Station. "I'll just not buy any sodas if it goes up."

Public health advocates welcomed news of the tax, saying it would help the fight against childhood obesity.

"Raising the price of this liquid candy will put children and teens on a path to a healthier diet," said Elie Ward of the American Academy of Pediatrics of New York State.
JPB, you make absolutely no sense. How does a tax on non-diet soda classify as a 'green' tax and where in your article is it being proposed as a 'green' tax??? This is just another attempt by you to get in your here comes change (yawn) motto.

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 05:38 PM
And how is that anything to do with the change Obama is proposing? To be honest about it, obesity is such a health problem and financial burdon on the health care system, perhaps the tax on regular soda's isn't such a bad idea. I started drinking diet sodas years ago when I figured out how many useless calories were in a regular drink. I'd rather use my useless calories on something I enjoy more, like a Three Muskateers or something.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 05:45 PM
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And how is that anything to do with the change Obama is proposing? To be honest about it, obesity is such a health problem and financial burdon on the health care system, perhaps the tax on regular soda's isn't such a bad idea. I started drinking diet sodas years ago when I figured out how many useless calories were in a regular drink. I'd rather use my useless calories on something I enjoy more, like a Three Muskateers or something.


BarryO and his politburo must first create catastrophes, big and small, in order to save us from ourselves. Or to subjucate us as the case may be and in so doing call it 'change.'. These are ALL examples of small democrat power grabs - but they do add up.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 05:48 PM
You really see this as part of a liberal democratic conspiracy? I see someone trying to balance a state budget and figuring out ways to do it. More of a 'state's rights' issue rather than a grand orchestrated conspiracy to wring hard earned dollars out of unsuspecing citizens. I mean, it's not like the governor has placed the state on orange alert or anything to scare the people so he can tell everyone how safe he's keeping them.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 05:51 PM
Oh great ... a match made in heaven ... JPB with his 'Here comes the change' mantra and RBK with his caustic socialist references smacking of self-importance and snobbery.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 05:53 PM
It's all part of the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy.....

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 05:53 PM
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You really see this as part of a liberal democratic conspiracy? I see someone trying to balance a state budget and figuring out ways to do it. More of a 'state's rights' issue rather than a grand orchestrated conspiracy to wring hard earned dollars out of unsuspecing citizens. I mean, it's not like the governor has placed the state on orange alert or anything to scare the people so he can tell everyone how safe he's keeping them.
Oh but comrade it's soda - it must be part of some vast left wing conspiracy.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 05:55 PM
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You really see this as part of a liberal democratic conspiracy? I see someone trying to balance a state budget and figuring out ways to do it. More of a 'state's rights' issue rather than a grand orchestrated conspiracy to wring hard earned dollars out of unsuspecing citizens. I mean, it's not like the governor has placed the state on orange alert or anything to scare the people so he can tell everyone how safe he's keeping them.


The humorless Governor Paterson's asinine tax is just one of many with more to come. The pattern is far to well formed to deny there is anything BUT a liberal democrat conspiracy. Lying is how democratsy gain power. Convincing people they are helpless victims is how they attempt to keep it.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 05:59 PM
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You really see this as part of a liberal democratic conspiracy? I see someone trying to balance a state budget and figuring out ways to do it. More of a 'state's rights' issue rather than a grand orchestrated conspiracy to wring hard earned dollars out of unsuspecing citizens. I mean, it's not like the governor has placed the state on orange alert or anything to scare the people so he can tell everyone how safe he's keeping them.
The humorless Governor Paterson's asinine tax is just one of many with more to come. The pattern is far to well formed to deny there is anything BUT a liberal democrat conspiracy. Lying is how democratsy gain power. Convincing people they are helpless victims is how they attempt to keep it.
Thank God for folks like you who keep us 'helpless victims' informed on what's really going on.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 06:01 PM
After eight years of Bush scaring the hell out of Americans this is seen as a democratic conspiracy to control the people? Good one....I'm still laughing.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 06:03 PM
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After eight years of Bush scaring the hell out of Americans this is seen as a democratic conspiracy to control the people? Good one....I'm still laughing.
As long as you don't laugh hard enough to shoot soda out your nose ... you know that stuff is taxable!

 

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After eight years of Bush scaring the hell out of Americans this is seen as a democratic conspiracy to control the people? Good one....I'm still laughing.
As long as you don't laugh hard enough to shoot soda out your nose ... you know that stuff is taxable!



OMG...that was funny!!!

 

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After eight years of Bush scaring the hell out of Americans this is seen as a democratic conspiracy to control the people? Good one....I'm still laughing.


Whom did Bush scare? You can't take democrat talking points as anything other than the perpetuation of the Big Lie regardless of how many times Keith Olbermann tells you it's true. Bush 'scaring people' was an excuse for democrats losing elections and nothing more.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 06:06 PM
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Whom did Bush scare?
Are you asking for a list?

 

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Do you have one? Bring it on!

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 06:07 PM
Daily color alerts, constant talking points about the every day dangers this country is facing delivered by somber faced administration spokespeople for starters......do you ever watch the news? I mean the mainstream news, not the propaganda channels of the right.

 

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Are you asking for a list?
Do you have one? Bring it on!
Sorry - I haven't been keeping a scorecard. I'm sure if you start a thread asking for names you'll find some takers though.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 06:11 PM
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Daily color alerts, constant talking points about the every day dangers this country is facing delivered by somber faced administration spokespeople for starters......do you ever watch the news? I mean the mainstream news, not the propaganda channels of the right.


Electing democrats would weaken National Security, etc.... yawn

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 06:12 PM
Here's one person's observations:

Bush's scare tactics are no longer working

By Paul Krugman

08/16/06 "Tucson" -- - - Just two days after 9/11, I learned from congressional staffers that Republicans on Capitol Hill were already exploiting the atrocity, trying to use it to push through tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy. I wrote about the subject the next day, warning that "politicians who wrap themselves in the flag while relentlessly pursuing their usual partisan agenda are not true patriots."

The response from readers was furious fury not at the politicians, but at me, for suggesting that such an outrage was even possible. "How can I say that to my young son?" demanded one angry correspondent.

I wonder what he says to his son these days.

We now know that from the very beginning, the Bush administration and its allies in Congress saw the terrorist threat not as a problem to be solved, but as a political opportunity to be exploited.

The story of the latest terror plot makes the administration's fecklessness and cynicism on terrorism clearer than ever.

Fecklessness: The administration has always pinched pennies when it comes to actually defending America against terrorist attacks. Now we learn that terrorism experts have known about the threat of liquid explosives for years, but that the Bush administration did nothing about that threat until now, and tried to divert funds from programs that might have helped protect us. "As the British terror plot was unfolding," reports The Associated Press, "the Bush administration quietly tried to take away $6 million that was supposed to be spent this year developing new explosives-detection technology."

Cynicism: Republicans have consistently portrayed their opponents as weak on terrorism, if not actually in sympathy with the terrorists. Remember the 2002 TV ad in which Sen. Max Cleland of Georgia was pictured with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein? Now we have Dick Cheney suggesting that voters in the Democratic primary in Connecticut were lending aid and comfort to "al-Qaida types." There they go again.

More fecklessness, and maybe more cynicism, too: NBC reports that there was a dispute between the British and the Americans over when to make arrests in the latest plot. Since the alleged plotters weren't ready to go they hadn't purchased airline tickets, and some didn't even have passports yet British officials wanted to watch and wait, hoping to gather more evidence. But according to NBC, the Americans insisted on early arrests.

Suspicions that the Bush administration might have had political motives in wanting the arrests made prematurely are fed by memories of events two years ago: The Department of Homeland Security declared a terror alert just after the Democratic National Convention, shifting the spotlight away from John Kerry and, according to Pakistani intelligence officials, blowing the cover of a mole inside al-Qaida.

But whether or not there was something fishy about the timing of the latest terror announcement, there's the question of whether the administration's scare tactics will work. If current polls are any indication, Republicans are on the verge of losing control of at least one chamber of Congress. And "on every issue other than terrorism and homeland security," says Newsweek about its latest poll, "the Dems win." Can a last-minute effort to make a big splash on terror stave off electoral disaster?

Many political analysts think it will. But even on terrorism, and even after the latest news, polls give Republicans at best a slight advantage. And Democrats are finally doing what they should have done long ago: calling foul on the administration's attempt to take partisan advantage of the terrorist threat.

It was significant both that President Bush felt obliged to defend himself against that accusation in his Saturday radio address, and that his standard defense attacking a straw man by declaring that "there should be no disagreement about the dangers we face" came off sounding so weak.

My guess is that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself.

New York Times columnist Paul Krugman is a Princeton University economist. His Web site is www.wws.princeton.edu/pkrugman



 

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Daily color alerts, constant talking points about the every day dangers this country is facing delivered by somber faced administration spokespeople for starters......do you ever watch the news? I mean the mainstream news, not the propaganda channels of the right.


Please. Healthy concern based upon 9/11 is hardly scare tactics. Remember 9/11? On the 'mainstream' news?

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 06:14 PM
I remember 9/11....that's the one for which the Iraqi's weren't responsible.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 06:18 PM
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I remember 9/11....that's the one for which the Iraqi's weren't responsible.


LOL. You ARE fond of changing the subject when called out, aren't you.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2008 at 06:21 PM
Just like the lies of the war on terror, so are the lies of the "green" movement. They are going to tax us into doing what they want, period. That is how they are going to control you, and you are ok with that? I like it better when I had a choice of what I wanted, not forced into a decision based on how they are going to tax me. The free enterprise system is dead.

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I remember 9/11....that's the one for which the Iraqi's weren't responsible.


LOL. You ARE fond of changing the subject when called out, aren't you.



Check back through the thread....you mentioned 9/11 first.

 

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