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  posted on 12/8/2008 at 12:46 PM
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Carol E. Lee, Nia-Malika Henderson Carol E. Lee, Nia-malika Henderson Mon Dec 8, 4:22 am ET

Liberals are growing increasingly nervous – and some just flat-out angry – that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. He’s hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And he’s stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.

“He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it's all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment,” said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.


OpenLeft blogger Chris Bowers went so far as to issue this plaintive plea: “Isn't there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration?”

Even supporters make clear they’re on the lookout for backsliding. “There’s a concern that he keep his basic promises and people are going to watch him,” said Roger Hickey, a co-founder of Campaign for America’s Future.

Obama insists he hasn’t abandoned the goals that made him feel to some like a liberal savior. But the left’s bill of particulars against Obama is long, and growing.

Obama drew rousing applause at campaign events when he vowed to tax the windfall profits of oil companies. As president-elect, Obama says he won’t enact the tax.

Obama’s pledge to repeal the Bush tax cuts and redistribute that money to the middle class made him a hero among Democrats who said the cuts favored the wealthy. But now he’s struck a more cautious stance on rolling back tax cuts for people making over $250,000 a year, signaling he’ll merely let them expire as scheduled at the end of 2010.

Obama’s post-election rhetoric on Iraq and choices for national security team have some liberal Democrats even more perplexed. As a candidate, Obama defined and separated himself from his challengers by highlighting his opposition to the war in Iraq from the start. He promised to begin to end the war on his first day in office.

Now Obama’s says that on his first day in office he will begin to “design a plan for a responsible drawdown,” as he told NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday. Obama has also filled his national security positions with supporters of the Iraq war: Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted to authorize force in Iraq, as his secretary of state; and President George W. Bush’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, continuing in the same role.

The central premise of the left’s criticism is direct – don’t bite the hand that feeds, Mr. President-elect. The Internet that helped him so much during the election is lighting up with irritation and critiques.

“There don't seem to be any liberals in Obama's cabinet,” writes John Aravosis, the editor of Americablog.com. “What does all of this mean for Obama's policies, and just as important, Obama Supreme Court announcements?”

“Actually, it reminds me a bit of the campaign, at least the beginning and the middle, when the Obama campaign didn't seem particularly interested in reaching out to progressives,” Aravosis continues. “Once they realized that in order to win they needed to marshal everyone on their side, the reaching out began. I hope we're not seeing a similar ‘we can do it alone’ approach in the transition team.”

This isn’t the first liberal letdown over Obama, who promptly angered the left after winning the Democratic primary by announcing he backed a compromise that would allow warrantless wiretapping on U.S. soil to continue.



Now it’s Obama’s Cabinet moves that are drawing the most fire. It’s not just that he’s picked Clinton and Gates. It’s that liberal Democrats say they’re hard-pressed to find one of their own on Obama’s team so far – particularly on the economic side, where people like Tim Geithner and Lawrence Summers are hardly viewed as pro-labor.

“At his announcement of an economic team there was no secretary of labor. If you don’t think the labor secretary is on the same level as treasury secretary, that gives me pause,” said Jonathan Tasini, who runs the website workinglife.org. “The president-elect wouldn't be president-elect without labor."

During the campaign Obama gained labor support by saying he favored legislation that would make it easier for unions to form inside companies. The “card check” bill would get rid of a secret-ballot method of voting to form a union and replace it with a system that would require companies to recognize unions simply if a majority of workers signed cards saying they want one. Obama still supports that legislation, aides say – but union leaders are worried that he no longer talks it up much as president-elect.

“It's complicated,” said Tasini, who challenged Clinton for Senate in 2006. “On the one hand, the guy hasn't even taken office yet so it's a little hasty to be criticizing him. On the other hand, there is legitimate cause for concern. I think people are still waiting but there is some edginess about this.”

That’s a view that seems to have kept some progressive leaders holding their fire. There are signs of a struggle within the left wing of the Democratic Party about whether it’s just too soon to criticize Obama -- and if there’s really anything to complain about just yet.

Case in point: One of the Campaign for America’s Future blogs commented on Obama’s decision not to tax oil companies’ windfall profits saying, “Between this move and the move to wait to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, it seems like the Obama team is buying into the right-wing frame that raising any taxes - even those on the richest citizens and wealthiest corporations - is bad for the economy.”

Yet Campaign for America’s Future will be join about 150 progressive organizations, economists and labor groups to release a statement Tuesday in support of a large economic stimulus package like the one Obama has proposed, said Hickey, a co-founder of the group.

“I’ve heard the most grousing about the windfall profits tax, but on the other hand, Obama has committed himself to a stimulus package that makes a down payment on energy efficiency and green jobs,” Hickey said. “The old argument was, here’s how we afford to make these investments – we tax the oil companies’ windfall profits. … The new argument is, in a bad economy that could get worse, we don’t.”

Obama is asking for patience – saying he’s only shifting his stance on some issues because circumstances are shifting.

Aides say he backed off the windfall profits tax because oil prices have
dropped below $80 a barrel. Obama also defended hedging on the Bush tax cuts.

“My economic team right now is examining, do we repeal that through legislation? Do we let it lapse so that, when the Bush tax cuts expire, they're not renewed when it comes to wealthiest Americans?” Obama said on “Meet the Press.” “We don't yet know what the best approach is going to be.”

On Iraq, he says he’s just trying to make sure any U.S. pullout doesn’t ignite “any resurgence of terrorism in Iraq that could threaten our interests.”

Obama has told his supporters to look beyond his appointments, that the change he promised will come from him and that when his administration comes together they will be happy.

“I think that when you ultimately look at what this advisory board looks like, you'll say this is a cross-section of opinion that in some ways reinforces conventional wisdom, in some ways breaks with orthodoxy in all sorts of way,” Obama recently said in response to questions about his appointments during a news conference on the economy.

The leaders of some liberal groups are willing to wait and see.

“He hasn’t had a first day in office,” said John Isaacs, the executive director for Council for Livable World. “To me it’s not as important as who’s there, than what kind of policies they carry out.”

“These aren’t out-and-out liberals on the national security team, but they may be successful implementers of what the Obama national security policy is,” Isaacs added. “We want to see what policies are carried forward, as opposed to appointments.”

Juan Cole, who runs a prominent anti-war blog called Informed Comment, said he worries Obama will get bad advice from Clinton on the Middle East, calling her too pro-Israel and “belligerent” toward Iran. “But overall, my estimation is that he has chosen competence over ideology, and I'm willing to cut him some slack,” Cole said.

Other voices of the left don’t like what they’re seeing so far and aren’t waiting for more before they speak up.

New York Times columnist Frank Rich warned that Obama’s economic team of Summers and Geithner reminded him of John F. Kennedy’s “best and the brightest” team, who blundered in Vietnam despite their blue-chip pedigrees.

David Corn, Washington bureau chief of the liberal magazine Mother Jones, wrote in Sunday’s Washington Post that he is “not yet reaching for a pitchfork.”

But the headline of his op-ed sums up his point about Obama’s Cabinet appointments so far: “This Wasn’t Quite the Change We Envisioned.”


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  posted on 12/8/2008 at 12:55 PM
An informed voter would have realized that Obama walks the middle of the road....neither to the right nor left. When he became president of the Harvard Law Review he drew fire at first from the blacks who thought he would be their advocate and appoint more blacks to positions. When it was all said an done, however, even they had to admit he worked with all people and did an excellent job.

Personally I'm glad he's not caving in to either side of the aisle but is, as he said, selecting people who he believes are right for the position at these difficult times.

To use an analogy to turning a stampede.....and this country is currently stampeding towards a cliff......you have to turn it slowly. That's what I see Obama gearing up to do.

 

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Must be such a dissapointment for all the folks who were calling him a socialist.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2008 at 01:15 PM
He may have a tougher time getting reelected if he turns his back on the progressives that supported him this election rather than Nader or McKinney.

But I imagine the economy will be the biggest issue by then.

 

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LOL... Im sure some people are unhappy about his picks. As someone who voted for him, Im thrilled so far. I dont want an echo chamber for him...I want the very best people he can find, right, left or center to fix this mess we are in. Its really naive to think that this is the point at which anyone can say "I told you so".

 

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An informed voter would have realized that Obama walks the middle of the road....neither to the right nor left. When he became president of the Harvard Law Review he drew fire at first from the blacks who thought he would be their advocate and appoint more blacks to positions. When it was all said an done, however, even they had to admit he worked with all people and did an excellent job.

Personally I'm glad he's not caving in to either side of the aisle but is, as he said, selecting people who he believes are right for the position at these difficult times.

To use an analogy to turning a stampede.....and this country is currently stampeding towards a cliff......you have to turn it slowly. That's what I see Obama gearing up to do
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It's music to my ears. I took a chance when I voted for him and so far so good.

 

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It's music to my ears. I took a chance when I voted for him and so far so good.


Same here. This is really what I expected, and why all the "socialist" and "radical" talk seemed silly.

 

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It's music to my ears. I took a chance when I voted for him and so far so good.


Same here. This is really what I expected, and why all the "socialist" and "radical" talk seemed silly.


BarryO has not yet begun to "rule." Anybody with a record as far to the left as his, sponsored and supported by far lefties as he has been through every minute of his political career with a very partisan democrat controlled congress is going to have to acommodate those folks, the good of the country be damned. He IS playing with fire by appointing rivals to key positions but, hey, that's how his heroes, the Europeans, do it.

To think BarryO won't try to "rule" from the (far) left is naive in the extreme.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2008 at 02:13 PM
Since Obama first mentioned Iraq, oil company profits and tax increases, we have seen Iraq's situation vastly improve, oil has dropped to $41/bbl and we've had a financial meltdown. Rather than be disappointed, I am downright giddy that we have an incoming Pres that actually thinks and reacts to changed circumstances. As opposed to near-religious positions and inability to admit mistakes of the current administration.

GHW Bush's mistake was not raising taxes, it was painting himself in a corner with "read my lips, no new taxes."

 

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Since Obama first mentioned Iraq, oil company profits and tax increases, we have seen Iraq's situation vastly improve, oil has dropped to $41/bbl and we've had a financial meltdown. Rather than be disappointed, I am downright giddy that we have an incoming Pres that actually thinks and reacts to changed circumstances. As opposed to near-religious positions and inability to admit mistakes of the current administration.

GHW Bush's mistake was not raising taxes, it was painting himself in a corner with "read my lips, no new taxes."


All of this happened because BarryO merely mentioned it? You're taking the messiah thing to the extreme, are you not?

 

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Since Obama first mentioned Iraq, oil company profits and tax increases, we have seen Iraq's situation vastly improve, oil has dropped to $41/bbl and we've had a financial meltdown. Rather than be disappointed, I am downright giddy that we have an incoming Pres that actually thinks and reacts to changed circumstances. As opposed to near-religious positions and inability to admit mistakes of the current administration.

GHW Bush's mistake was not raising taxes, it was painting himself in a corner with "read my lips, no new taxes."


All of this happened because BarryO merely mentioned it? You're taking the messiah thing to the extreme, are you not?


No, not a cause and effect. The issues changed, and so did his reaction to them.

 

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I didn't support him, didn't vote for him etc. but he's my President now and I will not snipe at him before he even takes office. I don't understand the criticism already...do people really want him to fail just so they can say I told you so?

We have serious issues facing our country right now, moreso than any time in my lifetime (1965). Two unpopular wars, growing pockets around the world that dislike and even hate us, a shattered economy magnified by crippling, perhaps permanent blows to working people's only wealth (their retirement accounts and homes). The demographics in this country concerning the aging of our population, and what it means for social security, healthcare, welfare etc are STAGGERING. Oh, and by the way, some of us, and a few scientists, think we could be f-cking up our only planet in an irretrievable way.

For God's sake, don't these issues demand that we all take a personal stake in not just his political success, but our own lives? Sure, go ahead, do what you can to subvert his efforts and then in 4 years when we've tossed ANOTHER 4 years away and done nothing, you can say "I told you so".

Rant over, going back to work, perhaps take some mendicaments.....

 

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I didn't support him, didn't vote for him etc. but he's my President now and I will not snipe at him before he even takes office. I don't understand the criticism already...do people really want him to fail just so they can say I told you so?




In all seriousness I want BarryO to succeed so others can tell ME, "I told you so." Unfortunately, I simply don't see it happening. In all likelyhood he'll have worse approval ratings than Bush within a couple years but I for one will not wallow in the gutter as the left has done over Bush. I'm not angry or bitter over a President BarryO, like dems have been over Bush, but I AM highly skeptical.

 

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In all seriousness I want BarryO to succeed so others can tell ME, "I told you so." Unfortunately, I simply don't see it happening.


...and how long has Obama been president? You have no basis on which to make this decision at this point unless you are just being your normal hyper-biased self.

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In all likelyhood he'll have worse approval ratings than Bush within a couple years but I for one will not wallow in the gutter as the left has done over Bush.


Whats the lottery numbers for Saturday? Thanks. Again, nothing to base this on but your own very skewed opinion of the man. You cant point to his past (like we can with Bush) and say he was a failure, was incompetent etc. You cannot even remotely compare the two. Obama, by all accounts, has done quite well in practically everything he has been involved with. Im not sure where you see all this doom and gloom. As for wallowing in the gutter, you already have. You have been ridiculously critical of him from day one without an ounce of reasoning to back your statements or beliefs.

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I'm not angry or bitter over a President BarryO, like dems have been over Bush, but I AM highly skeptical.


Angry and bitter? Should I be happy with the state of our nation right now? Of course you are skeptical. Youre the guy that cant see why people are sick of Bush and are horrified at the turn our nation has taken.

 

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In all seriousness I want BarryO to succeed so others can tell ME, "I told you so." Unfortunately, I simply don't see it happening.


...and how long has Obama been president? You have no basis on which to make this decision at this point unless you are just being your normal hyper-biased self.




BarryO has been RUNNING for president for nearly four years now. Far more than enough time to base an intelligent and informed position as to his eventual success or failure in the job.

I believe he's pandering to the middle right now but will ulitmately govern slightly to the right of Hugo Chavez resulting in disaster.

OR

He will govern from the center and anger all the ardent leftwing whackadoodles what brung him to the party.

So there you have it. He'll at best be a liar and at worst a disaster.

I will NOT, however, subject myself, and others, to the right-wing version of Bush Derangement Syndrome which has rendered a large portion of our left-of-center friends irrational and ineffectual. Life's too short.

 

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I will NOT, however, subject myself, and others, to the right-wing version of Bush Derangement Syndrome which has rendered a large portion of our left-of-center friends irrational and ineffectual. Life's too short.




BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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iI haven't laughed this hard in a long time.

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That was great. LMAO.

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Here we have an obvious example of the aforementioned Bush Derangement Syndrome.

 

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I didn't support him, didn't vote for him etc. but he's my President now and I will not snipe at him before he even takes office. I don't understand the criticism already...do people really want him to fail just so they can say I told you so?




In all seriousness I want BarryO to succeed so others can tell ME, "I told you so." Unfortunately, I simply don't see it happening. In all likelyhood he'll have worse approval ratings than Bush within a couple years but I for one will not wallow in the gutter as the left has done over Bush. I'm not angry or bitter over a President BarryO, like dems have been over Bush, but I AM highly skeptical.


ANy chance you can stop referring to him as "BarryO"? It's actually pretty annoying and disprespectful. Like calling Bush "shrub" which I also hated. Just a question.

 

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BarryO has been RUNNING for president for nearly four years now. Far more than enough time to base an intelligent and informed position as to his eventual success or failure in the job.


Bullshiat. Its all wild ass speculation on your part. Unless you are Kreskin or Nostradamus, you dont know what the man is going to accomplish or not. And based on his background, I see a very successful person and I think he is going to do a good job.

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I believe he's pandering to the middle right now but will ulitmately govern slightly to the right of Hugo Chavez resulting in disaster.


Seriously? And your basing this prediction on what, exactly?

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He will govern from the center and anger all the ardent leftwing whackadoodles what brung him to the party.


Governing from the center is what Im hoping for. The "whackadoodles" on both sides need to be marginalized.

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So there you have it. He'll at best be a liar and at worst a disaster.


Wow, no room at all for being decent or a good leader? Nope, no bias from you or even the possibility that he might be good for our nation. Why do you even discuss the man? You arent open to any ideas other than what you believe he will fail the greatest at. Worse than that, he isnt even in office yet and you are running around screaming that the sky is falling.

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I will NOT, however, subject myself, and others, to the right-wing version of Bush Derangement Syndrome which has rendered a large portion of our left-of-center friends irrational and ineffectual. Life's too short.


Wow, are you ever in denial. So, what exactly are all the negative posts and repeated warnings from you about Obama?

 

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I didn't support him, didn't vote for him etc. but he's my President now and I will not snipe at him before he even takes office. I don't understand the criticism already...do people really want him to fail just so they can say I told you so?




In all seriousness I want BarryO to succeed so others can tell ME, "I told you so." Unfortunately, I simply don't see it happening. In all likelyhood he'll have worse approval ratings than Bush within a couple years but I for one will not wallow in the gutter as the left has done over Bush. I'm not angry or bitter over a President BarryO, like dems have been over Bush, but I AM highly skeptical.


Wanna bet? Most recent Gallup poll (11/13-16/08) has W at 29% approval rating. I'll wager that Obama's rating is never lower than that between now and Dec 8, 2010.

 

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It's music to my ears. I took a chance when I voted for him and so far so good.


Same here. This is really what I expected, and why all the "socialist" and "radical" talk seemed silly.


BarryO has not yet begun to "rule." Anybody with a record as far to the left as his, sponsored and supported by far lefties as he has been through every minute of his political career with a very partisan democrat controlled congress is going to have to acommodate those folks, the good of the country be damned. He IS playing with fire by appointing rivals to key positions but, hey, that's how his heroes, the Europeans, do it.

To think BarryO won't try to "rule" from the (far) left is naive in the extreme.


As your posts are "dumb" to the extreme.

He won.

Get over it.

Weren't you moving to South America????

 

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BarryO has not yet begun to "rule." Anybody with a record as far to the left as his, sponsored and supported by far lefties as he has been through every minute of his political career with a very partisan democrat controlled congress is going to have to acommodate those folks, the good of the country be damned. He IS playing with fire by appointing rivals to key positions but, hey, that's how his heroes, the Europeans, do it.

To think BarryO won't try to "rule" from the (far) left is naive in the extreme.


Maybe President Elect Obama can keep his approval rating above President Bush's emberassing 27%

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But they're a dedicated twenty-seven percent. Go figure.

 

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He's 10 points higher than the approvals for Congress....Scary.

 

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Bush is 26 points higher than RBK.


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I had a feeling BO would be easing off of a few of those promises. Face it folks, Presidents are puppets. Once BO started hearing facts and "how it was going to be", he didn't have much of a choice.



Hmmm. I know full well the difference between campaign promises and reality, yet I voted for him anyway. Imagine that. I personally believe anyone who makes their voting decision 100% on campaign promises deserves to be disappointed.

 

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