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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 04:38 PM
Hunting animals for sport is totally different than hunting animals out of necessity for survival. Most hunters do it for sport. Even though they consume the animal, it doesnít mean they had to kill the animal to survive.

It boils down to one unmistakable difference: I believe that harming or killing another living creature for sport is bad; and hunters believe that harming or killing another living creature is okay, in fact it brings them pleasure.

What makes a man want to kill another animal? It probably goes back to the age old male inadequacy issue, which is the root cause for all of the horrors (like war) that man has created. The male has this complex, so he compensates for it by dominating another living creature.

As a child, I always enjoyed going fishing and crabbing with my family on the Jersey Shore. When I was a teenager, I got my own boat. One afternoon, there was no one around, so I went out by myself on the Barnegat Bay.

I was bottom fishing when I got a huge strike. I reeled in the biggest flounder I had ever seen. It took up most of my deck. While the fish lie there dying, I kept looking at his eye. I started questioning what I was doing

There I was in the middle of nowhere, with no one watching, and this huge magnificent animal was lying right in front of me dying. I thought maybe I should throw it back. But then I thought: I spent all this money for this boat, I have been learning how to fish my whole life, and I would be a freaking idiot if I threw this fish back now.

He was about 4 feet long and had an offset eyeball the size of a cue ball. I felt it was looking right at me and asking me to let it survive. I was mean and I killed the poor flounder instead. I cleaned, gutted, and ate the fish.

I really wish I had thrown that beautiful fish back. There was only me and him out there on my boat. I could have let him go and nobody would have known. The memory of that flounderís eye still haunts me to this day. I guess Iím not much of a hunter.


 
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I really wish I had thrown that beautiful fish back. There was only me and him out there on my boat. I could have let him go and nobody would have known. The memory of that flounderís eye still haunts me to this day. I guess Iím not much of a hunter.




no that makes you not much of a fisherman.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 04:56 PM
LOL.

 

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What makes a man want to kill another animal? It probably goes back to the age old male inadequacy issue, which is the root cause for all of the horrors (like war) that man has created. The male has this complex, so he compensates for it by dominating another living creature.
That is the most ridiculous statement I have heard from you on the hunting issue yet.

Go back a few millenniums, before we had guns, gun powder, even bow and arrow. We had to hunt, stalk and otherwise kill prey for sustenance in order to survive as a species. We were smart enough to outsmart these animals...most of the time. Sometimes the tables were turned and we became sustenance for a predatory animal like a lion or bear.

Humans are born with a survival instinct. Just because we can buy all of our sustenance in a grocery store doesn't mean we should.

 

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Hunting animals for sport is totally different than hunting animals out of necessity for survival. Most hunters do it for sport. Even though they consume the animal, it doesnít mean they had to kill the animal to survive.

It boils down to one unmistakable difference: I believe that harming or killing another living creature for sport is bad; and hunters believe that harming or killing another living creature is okay, in fact it brings them pleasure.

What makes a man want to kill another animal? It probably goes back to the age old male inadequacy issue, which is the root cause for all of the horrors (like war) that man has created. The male has this complex, so he compensates for it by dominating another living creature.

As a child, I always enjoyed going fishing and crabbing with my family on the Jersey Shore. When I was a teenager, I got my own boat. One afternoon, there was no one around, so I went out by myself on the Barnegat Bay.

I was bottom fishing when I got a huge strike. I reeled in the biggest flounder I had ever seen. It took up most of my deck. While the fish lie there dying, I kept looking at his eye. I started questioning what I was doing

There I was in the middle of nowhere, with no one watching, and this huge magnificent animal was lying right in front of me dying. I thought maybe I should throw it back. But then I thought: I spent all this money for this boat, I have been learning how to fish my whole life, and I would be a freaking idiot if I threw this fish back now.

He was about 4 feet long and had an offset eyeball the size of a cue ball. I felt it was looking right at me and asking me to let it survive. I was mean and I killed the poor flounder instead. I cleaned, gutted, and ate the fish.

I really wish I had thrown that beautiful fish back. There was only me and him out there on my boat. I could have let him go and nobody would have known. The memory of that flounderís eye still haunts me to this day. I guess Iím not much of a hunter.




This thread should be epic. Im getting the popcorn ready.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 05:01 PM
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Humans are born with a survival instinct. Just because we can buy all of our sustenance in a grocery store doesn't mean we should.


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But it is easier to catch a fish or chicken at the supermarket, when someone else has done the killing.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 05:20 PM
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Humans are born with a survival instinct. Just because we can buy all of our sustenance in a grocery store doesn't mean we should.


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But it is easier to catch a fish or chicken at the supermarket, when someone else has done the killing.


The quality of which may not be as good as what you can get on your own.

I don't have chickens running around, but the fish that my father catches come from one of the purest bodies of water in the world.

Your store bought commercial stuff, not so much.

 

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Humans are born with a survival instinct. Just because we can buy all of our sustenance in a grocery store doesn't mean we should.
But it is easier to catch a fish or chicken at the supermarket, when someone else has done the killing.
Well, there is that argument, too.

Death is a BIG part of the cycle of life.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 05:35 PM
I am not a hunter anymore myself. I once was, but just don't have the passion I once did. I'm just not a fan of game meat. Fishing is another story. I love it. I have posted already about the record number of deer in my area this year. Hunting around here is a family tradition. It is passed down generations. This took place about 2 miles from me here last week.
Thursday, December 04, 2008

REILY TWP., Butler County, Ohio ó If his initial deer-hunting trip is any indication, Luke Woodruff's first car will be a Mercedes-Benz.

His first Ohio Lottery ticket will make him an instant millionaire.

And his first date ó you know, in about five years ó will be with Jessica Alba.

On the morning of Nov. 23, Luke Woodruff was an 11-year-old fifth-grader at Bogan Elementary in the Talawanda School District.

A few hours and one bullet later, he was Daniel Boone.

Luke and his father, Matt, spotted a large buck standing behind them in a bean field in the Vollmer Farm in Reily Twp.

Matt, 39, and a hunter for the last 19 years, called the buck the biggest he had ever seen.

But not the brightest.

The 19- to 20-point buck walked out of the thick brush and stood in front of the Woodruff's ground blind, about 30 to 40 yards away.

"It was the perfect situation," his father said. "The sun was coming up, the wind wasn't blowing. Everything was in our favor."

Without being encouraged by his father, Luke, a first-time hunter, removed his gloves, released the safety off his 20-gauge shotgun ó last year's Christmas present ó and pulled the trigger.

His heart, he said, "was racing pretty good."

Luke thought the worst.

"Did I hit it or did I not," he said.

Finally, he admitted: "I missed."

A few hours later, after hearing some barking dogs, Luke and his father started tracking blood. They found the deer across two fields, lying in a back yard, about 600 yards from where it was shot.

"I couldn't believe how big it was," Luke said.

His father added: "It was twice as big as I thought."

The buck will be a trophy.

"We're not letting this one get away," his father said.

In about two months, a member of the Buckeye Big Bucks, a state scoring organization, will dry-score the deer to determine whether its antlers qualify for any state record.

Todd Haines, who works for the Ohio Department of National Resources, was e-mailed a picture of the deer. He called it "a fine, fine deer," but not a state record.

Regardless, Luke can boast that he killed a big buck with his first shot.

"He's ruined," his father said. "He probably won't even go hunting this week."

 

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There is a widely accepted and proven concept known as wildlife management.

 

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Hunting animals for sport is totally different than hunting animals out of necessity for survival. Most hunters do it for sport. Even though they consume the animal, it doesnít mean they had to kill the animal to survive.

It boils down to one unmistakable difference: I believe that harming or killing another living creature for sport is bad; and hunters believe that harming or killing another living creature is okay, in fact it brings them pleasure.

What makes a man want to kill another animal? It probably goes back to the age old male inadequacy issue, which is the root cause for all of the horrors (like war) that man has created. The male has this complex, so he compensates for it by dominating another living creature.
LikeToSmoke, I do not hunt or consume food with a face (well, except fishes) but I do have some issues with some of what you are saying. Don't know if you are male or female but I definitely don't think that hunting is tied into any 'male inadequacy issues'. Hunting and gathering has been happening as long as there have been creatures walking on 2 legs and origins of both those activities is survival. True, today in the US in a majority of cases hunting is done as sport but I'd like to think that the creature that is being hunted is not killed merely for sport but is used as a food source. I'm pretty sure this is usually what happens. If you think that wild animals that are killed by sportsmen have a worse fate than the cows and chickens and pigs which are killed en masse for market you are crazy. I'm pretty sure if you do some reading up on factory farming and the plight of the animals which end up in the packages you buy at the grocery you'll find that they've met a much crueler fate in their lives. You've posted a few things here that indicate your distaste for hunting. I think folks get it - you don't like hunting. No reason to turn that into an excuse for finger pointing or name calling. I am curious - how old are you and do you eat meat?

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 05:51 PM
I really believe that the joy of killing is a male thing. You know that women are usually squeamish when it comes to killing an animal. That is how I feel. It really sickens me to think about hunting. Outside of euthanasia, I will never harm or kill another animal as long as I live. This is who I am.

It is also true that the reason males have these dominance and superiority issues is because of his own inadequacy issues when it comes to the size of his penis. Letís get real here. This is the reason man goes to war. This is the reason he likes having guns and killing animals.

Most women donít have these problems.

 

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I really believe that the joy of killing is a male thing. You know that women are usually squeamish when it comes to killing an animal. That is how I feel. It really sickens me to think about hunting. Outside of euthanasia, I will never harm or kill another animal as long as I live. This is who I am.

It is also true that the reason males have these dominance and superiority issues is because of his own inadequacy issues when it comes to the size of his penis. Letís get real here. This is the reason man goes to war. This is the reason he likes having guns and killing animals.

Most women donít have these problems.

Why do you avoid the following questions??? Are you female? How old are you? Do you eat meat?

 

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I really believe that the joy of killing is a male thing. You know that women are usually squeamish when it comes to killing an animal. That is how I feel. It really sickens me to think about hunting. Outside of euthanasia, I will never harm or kill another animal as long as I live. This is who I am.

It is also true that the reason males have these dominance and superiority issues is because of his own inadequacy issues when it comes to the size of his penis. Letís get real here. This is the reason man goes to war. This is the reason he likes having guns and killing animals.

Most women donít have these problems.




What have you been like to smoking today???

My grandfather took the first deer with a bow on Howland's Island.

My father used to take his shotgun on the bus to school and hunt with the gym coach on the lunch hour.

I hunt. (I fished from the time I was 5)

My sons hunt and fish.

We eat what we kill, and we give away meat to friends and neighbors.


As far as I know, none of us have any "inadequacy issues".

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 06:06 PM
Lola,

Would you enjoy killing a deer? If the answer is no, than you should understand what Iím saying.

I am a male. 46 years old and I eat meat.

Ron,

I didnít invent this kind of thinking. Ask any psychiatrist about male inadequacy issues. Also I donít dislike you for killing animals. You probably donít think of it as being mean, like I do.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 06:08 PM
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As far as I know, none of us have any "inadequacy issues".


Explain the red Lotus in your driveway, then.





 

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As far as I know, none of us have any "inadequacy issues".


Explain the red Lotus in your driveway, then.








I wish.

I almost bought a Lotus Turbo Esprit when I was young and single.


If I ever hit that Lotto, I'll have a Lambo in the garage.


Of course I'll have to build a garage first.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 06:12 PM
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Lola,

Would you enjoy killing a deer? If the answer is no, than you should understand what Iím saying.

I am a male. 46 years old and I eat meat.

Ron,

I didnít invent this kind of thinking. Ask any psychiatrist about male inadequacy issues. Also I donít dislike you for killing animals. You probably donít think of it as being mean, like I do.



I think if you ever saw what happens when deer aren't kept in check, you would change your mind.

At least I hope so.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 06:14 PM
Hey LTS, I wasn't even logged in when I read your post, but, living at the Jersey Shore, I just have to ask you, what were you smoking when you posted this thread? C'mon man, a four foot long fluke, with an eye the size of a cueball? Sheesh, I mean if you dont like hunting and fishing, why are you trolling?

Sorry, couldn't resist that last sentence...but a fluke that big would still be generating conversation here at the shore....not to mention it would be an IFGA record...now, seriously, how big was the one that didn't get away?

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 06:16 PM
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Would you enjoy killing a deer? If the answer is no, than you should understand what Iím saying.

I am a male. 46 years old and I eat meat.

No. I have no desire to kill a deer (although I'm sure I've stated something different when they've trampled through my garden and eaten my plants...). But that's my perogative. And I still don't understand what you're saying nor would I use the fact that I don't hunt as a reason to make silly statements about people that DO hunt like ...
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It is also true that the reason males have these dominance and superiority issues is because of his own inadequacy issues when it comes to the size of his penis. Letís get real here. This is the reason man goes to war. This is the reason he likes having guns and killing animals.
By the way - I'm sure there are many female hunters out there. How do they fit into your philosophy of hunting.

 

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Sheesh, I mean if you dont like hunting and fishing, why are you trolling?
Thank you.

 

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Hunting animals for sport is totally different than hunting animals out of necessity for survival. Most hunters do it for sport. Even though they consume the animal, it doesnít mean they had to kill the animal to survive.

It boils down to one unmistakable difference: I believe that harming or killing another living creature for sport is bad; and hunters believe that harming or killing another living creature is okay, in fact it brings them pleasure.

What makes a man want to kill another animal? It probably goes back to the age old male inadequacy issue, which is the root cause for all of the horrors (like war) that man has created. The male has this complex, so he compensates for it by dominating another living creature.
LikeToSmoke, I do not hunt or consume food with a face (well, except fishes) but I do have some issues with some of what you are saying. Don't know if you are male or female but I definitely don't think that hunting is tied into any 'male inadequacy issues'. Hunting and gathering has been happening as long as there have been creatures walking on 2 legs and origins of both those activities is survival. True, today in the US in a majority of cases hunting is done as sport but I'd like to think that the creature that is being hunted is not killed merely for sport but is used as a food source. I'm pretty sure this is usually what happens. If you think that wild animals that are killed by sportsmen have a worse fate than the cows and chickens and pigs which are killed en masse for market you are crazy. I'm pretty sure if you do some reading up on factory farming and the plight of the animals which end up in the packages you buy at the grocery you'll find that they've met a much crueler fate in their lives. You've posted a few things here that indicate your distaste for hunting. I think folks get it - you don't like hunting. No reason to turn that into an excuse for finger pointing or name calling. I am curious - how old are you and do you eat meat?

Deb, I'm in total agreement with the cruelty that goes on in the slaughterhouses. Back in the 80's, I drove a semi for a couple years. Part of my deliveries were pickups at Tyson chicken companies, and Kahn's meats. On several occasions I witnessed the processing. I was sickened. I honestly believe it changed my way of thinking on hunting, and animal cruelty in general. I am not a vegetarian, and yes I wear leather. I just don't want to personally be a part of the killing of an animal anymore. I know what I'm buying when I shop, but don't really want to think about it.

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 06:25 PM
Hunting does not appeal to me, and I've never owned a firearm. I fish infrequently, mostly for sport, catch and release usually. The fish I've kept I've eaten, and I appreciate the sustenance they provided, and you can't beat fresh.

That said, as a meateater, I have zero issue with hunters who do so, and do it humanely and consume what they take. In GA, the numbers of hunters have declined, and deer are everywhere. A gunshot is more humane than getting hit by a car, or starvation or disease, especially where the deer is not then eaten. So please hunt, even though it's not for me.

If you're not a vegetarian, then indirectly you enable killing animals by purchasing meat. A distinction without difference.

 

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Nice post Brock.


120 PEOPLE are killed every year in car/deer accidents.

 

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Nice post Brock.

120 PEOPLE are killed every year in car/deer accidents.
Deer population in the state I live in is off the charts. There is no quality of life for these creatures that are forced into cities to forage for food. Or out of wildlands and into the path of a moving car.

 

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