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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 06:13 PM
Getting a new computer can anybody recommend a product for getting rid of all my information on the old one? Merci.

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 06:29 PM
My wife came home with a few disks her geek staff created for her to wipe the hard drives of the old computers we are trashing.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 07:12 PM
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Getting a new computer can anybody recommend a prodoct for getting rid of all my information on the old one? Merci.


Send it to me. I swear I won't post any pictures you wouldn't want your lil ole granny to see.
Then again, what brand name hard drive is it? I might just have some software for it.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 07:52 PM
Think I'll save the C-4 for when Ann visits... Thanks for the link though OTF...I didn't even know the correct term to google.

Dutch, if your wife has her own personal geek squad....well never mind.

And Jerry that would be Renee's hard drive you want to get your hands on.... Is the hard drive the maker or the OS???? That would be Compaq or Window's Millenium.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 08:39 PM
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Think I'll save the C-4 for when Ann visits... Thanks for the link though OTF...I didn't even know the correct term to google.

Dutch, if your wife has her own personal geek squad....well never mind.

And Jerry that would be Renee's hard drive you want to get your hands on.... Is the hard drive the maker or the OS???? That would be Compaq or Window's Millenium.


It would be the manufacturer of the drive Western Digital (WD), Maxtor (Max), Seagate (Sea, IBM, Barracuda).

If you click on the Start button on the bottom of your screen, click on "Control Panel" or "Settings", then click on the "System" icon. Click the "Hardware" tab, then the "device manager" button.
Click on the item called "disk drives". Write down the letters and numbers under that and e-mail them to me and I'll let you know what hard drive you have, and what software is needed.
Usually most manufacturers have free software to download that can do the trick.

Of COurse, there's the cheap way to do it.
Take out the drive and go to a major retailer. Ask a cashier to let you place the drive on the pad that deactivates the security tags and get it zapped about a dozen times. That should get most of it off there.

PS: Remember, I spent six years learning how to use C-4 to make things go BOOM!

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 08:56 PM
pluck the disk drive?

if it's a dell my sister is a software eng. she will gladly help. email jeikimm@yahoo.com

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 09:56 PM
This might sound unconventional, but when we want to completely "clean" a drive that we no longer want or will use, we have used a drill press and turned it into swiss cheese. Not only are the electronics history, but the platters are completely destroyed.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 10:18 PM
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This might sound unconventional, but when we want to completely "clean" a drive that we no longer want or will use, we have used a drill press and turned it into swiss cheese. Not only are the electronics history, but the platters are completely destroyed.


Hopefully you re-formatted and then filled the drive with zeros first. A lot of data can still be recovered from the parts of the platters that are left.

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 12:38 AM

If you really want to be safe, forget about erasing the data. Pull the hard drive out of the system then place it under the front tire of your car. Back over it several times and place the pieces in separate garbage bags.

THAT is data security.

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 01:01 AM
Tear the hard drive out, open the box, use tin snips and cut into several pieces which are deposited in several different trash containers throughout the city.

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 08:12 AM
I like the C-4 idea, myself.

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 01:11 PM
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Tear the hard drive out, open the box, use tin snips and cut into several pieces which are deposited in several different trash containers throughout the city.


still can get info from the pieces.

either burn it or get a strong magnet to degauss it.

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 02:04 PM
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Get some friends to help with this. Go into the woods, dig a hole at least 6 feet deep. Build a concrete vault down there. Line it with lead. When you are finished, kill your friends and throw them in the vault with the hard drive. Seal and boobytrap the vault. Fill the hole with reinforced concrete. Construct a minefield at least 100 yard in every direction. Then, to be safe, cancel all your credit cards and get new ones with new numbers. Change banks. I think this may work.


On that note: In 1998 a contractor was using a backhoe to re-dig some of the ditches in south Macon that got filled during the Flood of '94. In one of the sun baked lumps of clay, they found an IBM PS2 computer. This clump was almost as hard as concrete.
The guy brought it to me and I started cleaning it up. I actually had to use a hammer and screwdriver to knock the big chunks loose. I then soaked it in warm soapy water (in the bathtub even), and used the shower to get much of the clay out.
Took the motherboard out, cleaned it with a toothbrush, and let it dry on an air vent.
Took out the built in monitor and did the same.
Changed the cables, assembled the computer, and fired it up.
It asked for a system disk so I installed DOS 6.22 and started playing games on it.
Worked great. Only had a black/white screen on it, but what the hell do you expect from a computer that spent four years inside what you could basically call a large brick.

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 02:07 PM
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Get some friends to help with this. Go into the woods, dig a hole at least 6 feet deep. Build a concrete vault down there. Line it with lead. When you are finished, kill your friends and throw them in the vault with the hard drive. Seal and boobytrap the vault. Fill the hole with reinforced concrete. Construct a minefield at least 100 yard in every direction. Then, to be safe, cancel all your credit cards and get new ones with new numbers. Change banks. I think this may work.


On that note: In 1998 a contractor was using a backhoe to re-dig some of the ditches in south Macon that got filled during the Flood of '94. In one of the sun baked lumps of clay, they found an IBM PS2 computer. This clump was almost as hard as concrete.
The guy brought it to me and I started cleaning it up. I actually had to use a hammer and screwdriver to knock the big chunks loose. I then soaked it in warm soapy water (in the bathtub even), and used the shower to get much of the clay out.
Took the motherboard out, cleaned it with a toothbrush, and let it dry on an air vent.
Took out the built in monitor and did the same.
Changed the cables, assembled the computer, and fired it up.
It asked for a system disk so I installed DOS 6.22 and started playing games on it.
Worked great. Only had a black/white screen on it, but what the hell do you expect from a computer that spent four years inside what you could basically call a large brick.


now that's determination

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 02:13 PM

Are you saying my idea is no good?


Just that if you don't find a way to destroy the data on the drive, you could encase it in concrete all you want. After recovering the drive, the data is still accessible.

Getting back to your idea, I hope that you would have a few "extra" friends around to take up the slack of those that go on their "extended vacation".

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 04:55 PM
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Get some friends to help with this. Go into the woods, dig a hole at least 6 feet deep. Build a concrete vault down there. Line it with lead. When you are finished, kill your friends and throw them in the vault with the hard drive. Seal and boobytrap the vault. Fill the hole with reinforced concrete. Construct a minefield at least 100 yard in every direction. Then, to be safe, cancel all your credit cards and get new ones with new numbers. Change banks. I think this may work.


On that note: In 1998 a contractor was using a backhoe to re-dig some of the ditches in south Macon that got filled during the Flood of '94. In one of the sun baked lumps of clay, they found an IBM PS2 computer. This clump was almost as hard as concrete.
The guy brought it to me and I started cleaning it up. I actually had to use a hammer and screwdriver to knock the big chunks loose. I then soaked it in warm soapy water (in the bathtub even), and used the shower to get much of the clay out.
Took the motherboard out, cleaned it with a toothbrush, and let it dry on an air vent.
Took out the built in monitor and did the same.
Changed the cables, assembled the computer, and fired it up.
It asked for a system disk so I installed DOS 6.22 and started playing games on it.
Worked great. Only had a black/white screen on it, but what the hell do you expect from a computer that spent four years inside what you could basically call a large brick.


now that's determination

No doubt! Must have REALLY wanted to play that computer game!

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 05:55 PM
My what a wonderfully inventive crew we have here...

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 06:03 PM
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My what a wonderfully inventive crew we have here...

brang it to the hoopee,,,,,,,,,,,it wont never be seen no more

 

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  posted on 12/3/2008 at 06:31 PM
Lots of clever answers here -- but practically, depends on how secure your data wiping needs to be. I'm going to assume you are not worried about protecting state secrets because if you were you wouldn't be asking us! For most home users who just don't want to make it easy for someone to read their correspondence or home finance program data, etc., there are a number of products that will write data over the entire drive. You can usually choose "levels" of security -- including writing different data in different passes over the drive, making it hard (but not impossible) for even an expert to recover the data. But again, I'm assuming you are probably not worried about someone spending a lot of money to have an expert try to recover the data. I have used O&O Software safe erase in the past -- they are a reputable company. You can find them with Google or your favorite search engine. I'm sure there are many other products but can't vouch for them.

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 02:30 PM
Google 'Darik's Boot and Nuke'. It's an open-source freeware that comes on a program called Eraser - probably version 6 or 7 by now, but I used v.5.8x something or other when I donated a couple of computers a year or two ago. Anyway, it has a few different data-wiping options based on your data-wiping needs. But it does include the DoD standards, which I believe is erasing the HDD and then writing/re-writing to the disc 7 times with meaningless random data. It does take awhile.

Here's the wiki-summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darik%27s_Boot_and_Nuke

Here's the download.com review, along with link to free download.
http://www.download.com/Darik-s-Boot-and-Nuke/3000-2092_4-10151762.html

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 10:46 PM
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Inventive? No, I just have a sick mind.


Well that and a perpetual need to cull the membership around here to your personal satisfaction....

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 10:50 PM
Wow, thanks for stopping in Rowland, but I like the free option that Zambi gave me without having to figure out which part is the hard drive that I have to take out & destruct....

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 10:54 PM
Realistically, if you have a hard drive you want general, run-of-the-mill data gotten rid of, re-formatting the drive several times will get rid of it sufficiently enough that most people could not retrieve it.
If you have very sensitive data, such as on a hard drive I dealt with today from an attorney's office, and re-use of the drive is not an option, then some of the more "drastic" measures could be used.
My favorite is to drill holes in the drive, place it in a fire, or furnace, until it glows red. Quench it in water and repeat. Make a mixture of 2 tablespoons of garden fertilizer in a cup of water and pour it into the holes. Put it back into the fire/furnace until it glows red again. This time let it air cool.
The combination of the heat, quenching, and corrosion from the fertilizer will pretty much guarantee that data will not be pulled from that drive at all, unless someone wants to pay about $17,000 per megabyte to get it.
(Can you tell I've bought some government surplus computers?)
My next favorite, more simple but not as much fun, is to take the drive to a scrap metal yard and get them to pick it up with the magnetic crane a couple of times, then hit it with a sledge hammer.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2008 at 11:01 PM
High setting, and microwave 4 minutes.

 

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  posted on 12/5/2008 at 12:40 PM
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Google 'Darik's Boot and Nuke'. It's an open-source freeware that comes on a program called Eraser - probably version 6 or 7 by now, but I used v.5.8x something or other when I donated a couple of computers a year or two ago. Anyway, it has a few different data-wiping options based on your data-wiping needs. But it does include the DoD standards, which I believe is erasing the HDD and then writing/re-writing to the disc 7 times with meaningless random data. It does take awhile.



The DoD standard is to write all ones, then all zeroes, then a pass of random bit patterns.

If you have Linux installation boot disc, you can do this with the format command.


In a previous job, I wrote a lot of standard practice and procedures manuals for classified computing systems.





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