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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 07:25 AM
Feel free to dismiss the truth out of hand, if need be. It's easier than admitting you bought into a fairy tale.

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BAMA'S MYTHS: YOUNG VOTERS AND SMALL DONORS
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

Myths in politics take on a life of their own and the Obama campaign has been quick to cloak its incredible electoral success with a new coat of mythology. Two fantasies, in particular, pervade the amazing triumph of the Obama candidacy: That young people propelled him to victory by finally voting in large numbers and that small donors financed his campaign.

Were either myth a reality, it would be big news. Ever since the voting age was dropped to 18, politicians have been waiting for young voters to rock the system. But turnout among the young has been consistently and disappointingly low. From the manifest enthusiasm for Obama on campuses and the mammoth crowds of young admirers he generated, it appeared that the moment for the young had finally come. In the primaries and caucuses, young people flocked to Obama's bandwagon, often supplying his top heavy margins of victory in caucus states that propelled him to victory over Hillary.

But on Election Day, it did not happen. The Fox News/Opinion Data exit polling showed that the vote cast by people under thirty held steady at 11% of the total, the same level the organization's 2004 exit polls had found. Edison Media Research/Mitofsky International found a higher proportion of the vote cast by 18-29 year olds -- 18% -- but, by the same methodology, the firm found the 2004 voter base was 17% composed of people in that age cohort. Whether the young cast 11% or 18% of the vote in 2008 makes little difference. The fact is that neither polling firm found any real increase from the levels they found four years ago.

The myth of the small donor is even more important. Most political observers did not attack Obama for his breaking of his pledge to accept public financing because of our belief that he was funding his campaign by a massive outpouring of small donations. We felt that he was single-handedly accomplishing campaign finance reform and did not mind that he opted out of the public system. Indeed, we cheered as he amassed a $600 million war chest as it signified the clout of the small donor and showed the vulnerability of the old fat cat/PAC network that others used to raise money.

But we were fooled by Obama's propaganda. In a story by Fred Lucas, CNSNews reports that the Campaign Finance Institute (CFI) found that only 26% of the donors to Obama's campaign gave $200 or less, compared to 25% for President Bush's campaign in 2004. How did Obama fund his campaign? The old fashioned way, from fat cats. CFI found that he got 80% more money from large donors (over $1,000) than from those who gave less than $200.

Obama did benefit from small donors slightly more than other campaigns, but not enough to make the historic statement it appeared at the time that was taking place. CFI notes that 47% of Obama's total fund raising came from large donors, compared to 60% for McCain, 60% for Bush in 2004, and 56% for John Kerry. This trend represents a movement in the right direction, but hardly the revolution that has been mythologized.

These revealing stats are more than a footnote to history. They represent the denouement of a carefully cultivated myth. Obama sold America on the idea that his campaign was animated by hordes of small donors who we're attracted online. It now appears that this line was nothing more than a convenient smoke screen to mask his dependence on the traditional forces that have always funded presidential campaigns. And it puts into a new perspective the massive amount Obama raised and his brazen reversal of his public pledge to accept the limits imposed by public financing of campaigns.

Now that we know that Obama funded his campaign the old way - from rich people and special interests - it is reprehensible that he did so to the tune of over $600 million. When it looked like he was using the money of small donors to buy the election, it was excusable. But now that it becomes clear that he was getting money the same way other politicians always have done so, his vast outspending of McCain, all based on his chicanery in not taking public financing, puts his victory into a sharply more negative light.

And the fact that he and his staff cultivated the myth of the small donor, even as they realized what a distortion it was and used the myth to cover their attempt to buy the White House with special interest funding, lends a decidedly cynical aspect to their triumph.

We were fooled.

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 07:42 AM
I really don't care about either one of these issues, as the vast majority of the population doesn't. The trouble with conservative/republicans is that they focus on non-issues instead of coming up with something meaningful to say, as evidenced by their being swept from government and the amazing increase in democratic votes this election cycle. The fact is that Obama raised way more money than McCain or any previous candidate, and small donors (read the stats again) were a big part of that. Most importantly, Obama got a very large (landslide?) victory at the polls, which included all walks of life in this country. You can break it down any way you like, those are the facts. Neither one of these issues has ever mattered to me, so I don't see how it could be part of some fairy tale that I bought into. The fairy tale is that you believe it matters. I'm with DFC on Obama's performance to date; so far, so good.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 09:24 AM
I wonder when Dick Morris will get a real job and stop being so bitter?
 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 11:23 AM
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I wonder when Dick Kelley will get a real job and stop being so bitter?



Trying to hack my access utilizing a fake e-mail from Roland AGAIN, my stalker friend? I forwarded it to him instead.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 11:28 AM
Between the two choices we had for presidential candidates I felt Obama was the better one and voted for him. It wasn't his fund raising or voter turnout that impressed me, but what he said. On this particular article, I just consider the source. As for Obama....I'm watching to see what he does....and as stated....so far so good.

 

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Between the two choices we had for presidential candidates I felt Obama was the better one and voted for him. It wasn't his fund raising or voter turnout that impressed me, but what he said. On this particular article, I just consider the source. As for Obama....I'm watching to see what he does....and as stated....so far so good.


While you're considering the source why don't you consider the stats therein in comparison to BarryO's campaign rhetoric. THAT'S the point. That you choose to believe an accomplished shaman is your own business.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 11:36 AM
I don't really pay much attention to what Dick Morris writes and I never believed that Obama raised that much money from small doners OR that the younger voters carried him to victory. So, your point is moot. I knew that and still voted for him for my own reasons which I've stated on numerous occasions.

 

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I don't really pay much attention to what Dick Morris writes and I never believed that Obama raised that much money from small doners OR that the younger voters carried him to victory. So, your point is moot. I knew that and still voted for him for my own reasons which I've stated on numerous occasions.


No argument there. You voted for him even though you didn't believe him. That's your perogative. However the BarryO propaganda machine had many naive voters believing they were part of some miraculous groundswell of 'change' - rather than Clinton's htird term as appears to be the case. Morris IS a slimeball but he didn't make this stuff up and no one else will report it.

 

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I don't really pay much attention to what Dick Morris writes and I never believed that Obama raised that much money from small doners OR that the younger voters carried him to victory. So, your point is moot. I knew that and still voted for him for my own reasons which I've stated on numerous occasions.


Average donation to Obama was ~$80.00 and I think that the younger voters came out more in this election, but I havent seen any hard numbers on that.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 11:44 AM
I've already stated reasons why I voted for him and I don't see any reason to point out the ridiculousness of the right wing trying to make a point out of those two 'lies' concerning the Obama campaign after the last eight years and two very strange elections that gave Bush the office. Remember Camelot? Nice story.....pure fiction....but Kennedy was a great president anyway.

 

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I've already stated reasons why I voted for him and I don't see any reason to point out the ridiculousness of the right wing trying to make a point out of those two 'lies' concerning the Obama campaign after the last eight years and two very strange elections that gave Bush the office. Remember Camelot? Nice story.....pure fiction....but Kennedy was a great president anyway.


Kennedy was a great president? What did he accomplish? Other than the Bay of Pigs, ramping up 'Nam and throwing his back out of whack on a daily basis during his four minute joy rides on some secretary or movie starlet?

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 11:58 AM
If you didn't live through that time in our history and if you haven't read extensively since then about what Kennedy did and didn't do as President, then I suppose someone wouldn't fully understand his contributions to the country. Oh, and by the way, Bay of Pigs was something Kennedy inherited from Eisenhower and Johnson is the president who 'ramped up the war'.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 12:03 PM
RBK,

Here's a simple visualization technique that will aid you in letting your anger and frustration go:

Close your eyes, visualize a white dove trapped in the palm of your hand. Now, concentrate all your anger at the Obama team into the white dove.....Then, breathe deeply, hold it for 5 seconds, then exhale slowly and completely. Repeat this five times all the while keeping your eyes closed and concentrating on your technique. Then, suddenly, visualize opening your hand and allowing the dove to fly away. And with it, your anger..........And all will be well with the world and your bitterness toward Obama will be but a distant memory and your bitterness now gone. Seriously, try it.

[Edited on 12/2/2008 by Chain]

 

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I don't really pay much attention to what Dick Morris writes and I never believed that Obama raised that much money from small doners OR that the younger voters carried him to victory. So, your point is moot. I knew that and still voted for him for my own reasons which I've stated on numerous occasions.


No argument there. You voted for him even though you didn't believe him. That's your perogative. However the BarryO propaganda machine had many naive voters believing they were part of some miraculous groundswell of 'change' - rather than Clinton's htird term as appears to be the case. Morris IS a slimeball but he didn't make this stuff up and no one else will report it.


I voted for him BECAUSE I didn't believe him. I hoped he would govern as a pragmatist.

 

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You're welcome.....That's $85.00 for a cyber office visit, kind sir. Or should I bill your insurance company?
 

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If you didn't live through that time in our history and if you haven't read extensively since then about what Kennedy did and didn't do as President, then I suppose someone wouldn't fully understand his contributions to the country. Oh, and by the way, Bay of Pigs was something Kennedy inherited from Eisenhower and Johnson is the president who 'ramped up the war'.


I lived through it and studied it since. Johnson did indeed do the major escalation of Nam but JFK got the ball rolling. And the Bay of Pigs is Ike's fault? That's a bit of revisionism I'd never heard as his presidency ended several months earlier. As for for Kennedy's actual accomplishments, I've never heard of them either.

 

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Go back and read your history. Eisenhower was involved in the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam. Kennedy inherited both when he assumed the presidency. We can discuss his actions after he took office, but Kennedy can't be held responsible for starting either situation.


"The Bay of Pigs operation, during its planning stages, was the most closely held secret of the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations, and most of us who usually shared the President's confidential problems were not included in the Bay of Pigs discussion meetings. The planning had been done over the previous year by CIA people under the direction of Allen W. Dulles, the highly respected head of that agency, and his deputy, Richard Bissell, with the knowledge and approval of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The President agreed, for security reasons, that the fewer new faces in the government brought into the discussions, the better kept the secret would be. He did not mention the project to me until he had given it his final approval, only a few days before the air strike and the landings."


While Diem was in the United States he was named Prime Minister by the puppet king in Saigon, Bao Dai. The Eisenhower administration began giving Diem financial support and began training an army in Vietnam loyal to Diem. Ignoring the Geneva agreement of 1954,

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 02:40 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Bigann. Now RBK, think dove...in palm.....breathe deep.....release dove.....Anger and frustration gone.
 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 02:47 PM
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I did it again, and this time it cleared my sinuses AND fixed my hammer toe! How is that even possible?!


The mind is a powerful thing, young grasshopper. If you can master it, the universe will be yours......

 

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Go back and read your history. Eisenhower was involved in the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam. Kennedy inherited both when he assumed the presidency. We can discuss his actions after he took office, but Kennedy can't be held responsible for starting either situation.


"The Bay of Pigs operation, during its planning stages, was the most closely held secret of the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations, and most of us who usually shared the President's confidential problems were not included in the Bay of Pigs discussion meetings. The planning had been done over the previous year by CIA people under the direction of Allen W. Dulles, the highly respected head of that agency, and his deputy, Richard Bissell, with the knowledge and approval of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The President agreed, for security reasons, that the fewer new faces in the government brought into the discussions, the better kept the secret would be. He did not mention the project to me until he had given it his final approval, only a few days before the air strike and the landings."


While Diem was in the United States he was named Prime Minister by the puppet king in Saigon, Bao Dai. The Eisenhower administration began giving Diem financial support and began training an army in Vietnam loyal to Diem. Ignoring the Geneva agreement of 1954,


I never said JFK started the Bay of Pigs. He did eff it up however. I'm likewise aware our involvement in 'Nam goes back to the mid-fifties after the French bailed out but JFK DID escalate our presence in that mistake though certainly not to the degree Johnson did. He might have, had he lived.

So what DID Kennedy actually accomplish? Or was he merely another handsome empty suit with superior oratorical skills? Like our president-elect?

 

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  posted on 12/2/2008 at 03:18 PM
Sometimes NOT blowing the hell out of a country is an accomplishment of monumental importance.

 

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Sometimes NOT blowing the hell out of a country is an accomplishment of monumental importance.


Yeah, you're right. How many were left to be butchered on the beach? And in front of courtyard walls after enjoying Castro's dungeons awhile?

 

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Go back and read your history. Eisenhower was involved in the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam. Kennedy inherited both when he assumed the presidency. We can discuss his actions after he took office, but Kennedy can't be held responsible for starting either situation.


"The Bay of Pigs operation, during its planning stages, was the most closely held secret of the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations, and most of us who usually shared the President's confidential problems were not included in the Bay of Pigs discussion meetings. The planning had been done over the previous year by CIA people under the direction of Allen W. Dulles, the highly respected head of that agency, and his deputy, Richard Bissell, with the knowledge and approval of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The President agreed, for security reasons, that the fewer new faces in the government brought into the discussions, the better kept the secret would be. He did not mention the project to me until he had given it his final approval, only a few days before the air strike and the landings."


While Diem was in the United States he was named Prime Minister by the puppet king in Saigon, Bao Dai. The Eisenhower administration began giving Diem financial support and began training an army in Vietnam loyal to Diem. Ignoring the Geneva agreement of 1954,


I never said JFK started the Bay of Pigs. He did eff it up however. I'm likewise aware our involvement in 'Nam goes back to the mid-fifties after the French bailed out but JFK DID escalate our presence in that mistake though certainly not to the degree Johnson did. He might have, had he lived.

So what DID Kennedy actually accomplish? Or was he merely another handsome empty suit with superior oratorical skills? Like our president-elect?


Actually, JFK was the first known president to utilize mind/body breathing techniques to control anger, pain, and other bodily functions. He's probably most famous for using these techniques to contain his veracious and legendary sexual appetite. He also utilized them to improve his "staying" powers in the bedroom. He's the author of a little know self-help book most commonly found in the inner circles of the porn industry.

 

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So what DID Kennedy actually accomplish? Or was he merely another handsome empty suit with superior oratorical skills? Like our president-elect?


Actually, JFK was the first known president to utilize mind/body breathing techniques to control anger, pain, and other bodily functions. He's probably most famous for using these techniques to contain his veracious and legendary sexual appetite. He also utilized them to improve his "staying" powers in the bedroom. He's the author of a little know self-help book most commonly found in the inner circles of the porn industry.


So is THAT what JFK accomplished?

Actually, I read he was a selfish, quick triggered and rudimentary lover. I must have gotten that from some Right Wing hate site.

 

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Actually, I read he was a selfish, quick triggered and rudimentary lover. I must have gotten that from some Right Wing hate site.


Why would you care what kind of lover he was? Is this important?

 

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