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Deer population at Shawnee Mission Park causing problems
By MICHAEL PEARCE
The Wichita Eagle

Grant Evans has handled most kinds of natural disasters in his 23 years with the Johnson County Parks Department.

It’s not extreme weather that has him worried these days. It’s an abundance of whitetail deer and the diseases they could carry in Shawnee Mission Park.

“It’s a catastrophic event, a disease like blue tongue, that I fear the most,” said Evans, the park’s senior manager. “I hear they go to water to die. We could have deer floating all over the place, 10 to 15 per day.”

Evans and others are looking for ways to manage the park’s deer herd, which could pose serious threats to other wildlife, fragile ecosystems and the health of about 2 million annual visitors.

The 1,280-acre park in the middle of Kansas’ most populous county may have the highest deer density in the nation.

“They’ve got about 200 deer per square mile. We don’t have anything anywhere else near that magnitude,” said Lloyd Fox, Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks big-game program coordinator. “There’s some land owned by KU north of Lawrence with about 33 per square mile. That’s about as close as we come.”

Finding a home

For several decades, the park’s rich soil produced enough to keep up with the growing deer population. Thousands of oaks dropped millions of acorns. Open fields were filled with lush grasses and forbs.

About 10 years ago, Evans began to notice a browse line — a leaf-free area through the woods about four feet above the ground, where deer have eaten everything within reach.

Park deer browse heavily on cedar, something almost unheard of in Kansas. And they have been munching on hedge apples, which typically are only eaten as a last resort late in winter.

To Evans, it appears the size of animals is decreasing.

“The fawns this year look like they’re especially little,” he said. “They can’t weigh 50 pounds, and we had plenty of rain to help things grow.”

They’re not the only ones suffering. The deer are affecting other wildlife and a precious ecosystem.

Scattered amid the park are patches of tallgrass prairie that has never been overgrazed by cattle or cultivated for crops. Past studies found up to 200 different species of plants there.

“We don’t have much of this anymore in Johnson County,” Evans said. “I think it’s very important that people get to see it and experience it.”

But the noted wildflowers are gone.

“We haven’t had any blooming the past three years,” Evans said. “That’s got me worried.”

He believes it’s from overgrazing by the deer, which find the plants appetizing.

Birds, small mammals and reptiles have suffered, too. Fox said many species of ground-nesting birds — including sparrows, meadowlarks and bobwhite quail — disappear when an area is severely overgrazed by deer.

Controlling population

Maasen said no conclusions have been drawn on how to best quell the overpopulation.

He and others talk of a possible highly regulated bow hunt — a concept that has worked well in other cities, including Kansas City, where four parks have special archery hunts.

Park staff members said a public education program would help. Even with public support, though, park regulations and city ordinances would need to be changed.

Maasen said the park was on a tight budget and has staffing restraints.

Other options, such as using contraceptives or a trap-and-transplant program, are expensive.

But Evans knows that doing nothing could draw public concerns.

Deer leaving the park and crossing nearby streets and highways can be dangerous. Plus, the large deer population has led to more ticks, and a huge winter storm could bring starvation.

“I think this winter is going to be real telling,” Evans said. “That’ll be especially true if it’s a hard winter. We’ll see.”

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/907631.html




We go to this park fairly often. As far as "big parks" go, it's not that big. It does have a lake with a sand beach and several picnic areas, but all in all it's not what I'd call huge. Seeing deer there is no big deal at all. I say it's not "that big" because it's surrounded on all sides by your typical suburban conundrum of subdivisions.

Speaking of deer, my neighborhood is getting overrun, and I live nowhere near the country! Across the street is the back end of a city park and deer have been a problem for quite a while. The corner of my side street comes up to a very busy street, we live on the corner. On average, three to four deer are hit crossing that street yearly. I wrote the city just to suggest "Deer Xing" signs because there are none, and theres a dip in between two hills, my corner is at the bottom of the hill. The speed limit is 40, and folks come flying over that hill and boom! The city wrote me back and said "not enough deer traffic was noticed to warrant a sign." Yeah. You can't spare two street signs? I put that letter in a drawer and I just might give it to that one driver who has a deer come through their windshield. One thing me and my neighbors notice, a deer can eff up a car, we all know that, but a deer can REALLY eff up a bag of trash left on the curb the night before pick-up! Just a few days ago a doe got caught in the backyard maze of yards and fences, every dog on my block was barking and I looked out and this doe was in a total panic, tried to hop a privacy fence and hit her head, she finally found her way out. I've seen entire deer families cross the street (once, a buck, a doe and two kids!). To make things worse, on the other side of the park they just razed about 15 acres for more retail development (like the world needs another strip mall ), shrinking their habitat even more.

 

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  posted on 11/26/2008 at 08:42 AM
Also, does anyone have any idea how one gives contraceptives to deer? I read that part of that article and got a chuckle...

 

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Some of the parks in Philadelphia had the same problem. Pennypack in particular. Just like you said. They would cross busy streets and go in peoples' yards. The city ok'd a bow hunt by hunters who passed an accuracy test, closed the park and culled the heard. It's much better now. There are still plenty to see about the park, but I rarely see them where they shouldn't be.

 

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  posted on 11/26/2008 at 09:12 AM
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Also, does anyone have any idea how one gives contraceptives to deer? I read that part of that article and got a chuckle...


I do believe the deer have to go downtown to some office, DNR General Mammal Health Clinic maybe? and sign up for the contraceptves. Most deer find that too hazardous, so they just act like animals and breed irresponsibly. Most of the deer that are shot these days are shot by abortion opponenets (big increase in deer abortions these days). Little known fact.

 

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Also, does anyone have any idea how one gives contraceptives to deer? I read that part of that article and got a chuckle...


I do believe the deer have to go downtown to some office, DNR General Mammal Health Clinic maybe? and sign up for the contraceptves. Most deer find that too hazardous, so they just act like animals and breed irresponsibly. Most of the deer that are shot these days are shot by abortion opponenets (big increase in deer abortions these days). Little known fact.


Figures. Lazy deer leeching off the system.

 

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  posted on 11/26/2008 at 09:36 AM
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Also, does anyone have any idea how one gives contraceptives to deer? I read that part of that article and got a chuckle...


I do believe the deer have to go downtown to some office, DNR General Mammal Health Clinic maybe? and sign up for the contraceptves. Most deer find that too hazardous, so they just act like animals and breed irresponsibly. Most of the deer that are shot these days are shot by abortion opponenets (big increase in deer abortions these days). Little known fact.


Figures. Lazy deer leeching off the system.



Not in JOCO !

 

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Also, does anyone have any idea how one gives contraceptives to deer? I read that part of that article and got a chuckle...


I do believe the deer have to go downtown to some office, DNR General Mammal Health Clinic maybe? and sign up for the contraceptves. Most deer find that too hazardous, so they just act like animals and breed irresponsibly. Most of the deer that are shot these days are shot by abortion opponenets (big increase in deer abortions these days). Little known fact.


Figures. Lazy deer leeching off the system.



Not in JOCO !


WYCO spillover...

 

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Also, does anyone have any idea how one gives contraceptives to deer? I read that part of that article and got a chuckle...


I do believe the deer have to go downtown to some office, DNR General Mammal Health Clinic maybe? and sign up for the contraceptves. Most deer find that too hazardous, so they just act like animals and breed irresponsibly. Most of the deer that are shot these days are shot by abortion opponenets (big increase in deer abortions these days). Little known fact.


Figures. Lazy deer leeching off the system.



Not in JOCO !


WYCO spillover...


There goes the neighborhood.

 

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Also, does anyone have any idea how one gives contraceptives to deer? I read that part of that article and got a chuckle...


I do believe the deer have to go downtown to some office, DNR General Mammal Health Clinic maybe? and sign up for the contraceptves. Most deer find that too hazardous, so they just act like animals and breed irresponsibly. Most of the deer that are shot these days are shot by abortion opponenets (big increase in deer abortions these days). Little known fact.


Figures. Lazy deer leeching off the system.



Too funny.

















120 PEOPLE die every year in car/deer accidents.

 

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200 deer per square mile. That's a lotta deer.

 

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200 deer per square mile. That's a lotta deer.


...and they're all doctors or lawyers.

 

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200 deer per square mile. That's a lotta deer.


That is a huge number.

 

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Where's Ted Nugent when you need him?
 

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  posted on 11/26/2008 at 12:57 PM
I wonder how those organized bowhunts go, and if you get to keep what you shoot.

 

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  posted on 11/26/2008 at 12:58 PM
There's got to be something wrong with you if you like to kill animals like that
 

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Well, in this particular case (the deer in the park), I would think 200 per square mile calls for special measures.

 

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The main road outside our neighborhood is a bad place for deer crossing. They even have deer crossing signs, but the dear do not notice them and cross where ever they please. I saw a deer once looking for a button to make the deer crossing sign light up........

Seriously deer are always getting hit out on the main road. We have a huge deer population too. Especially around The South Fork River. We got a lot of hunter around too.

 

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  posted on 11/26/2008 at 01:17 PM
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Do you want to suggest a better method?

Tame deer, 200 per square mile, shoot fish in a barrel. Certainly, though, that density would produce a "plague" if there was a disease introduced. CWD, blue tongue.

Hide a stick of dynamite in a big pile of corn.

 

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I meant to say there has got to be something wrong with you if you want to kill a beautiful animal. Who would volunteer to do that? Sick people. Serial killers in training.

Sorry hunters, but there is something wrong with taking away an animal’s life.

 

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I meant to say there has got to be something wrong with you if you want to kill a beautiful animal. Who would volunteer to do that? Sick people. Serial killers in training.

Sorry hunters, but there is something wrong with taking away an animal’s life.

Are you a vegetarian?

 

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  posted on 11/26/2008 at 01:34 PM
BHawk, are you familiar with Watkins Mill up north of KC ? They've had these organized deer hunts for years and every year they would shut down the park for a few weeks for the hunt. I used to bass fish quite a bit there, it was about 5 miles from where I used to live. It PISSED me off because I always caught alot of BIG fish from the lake during these times before they started doing the hunt.
Seems like they have a special black poweder hunt weekend also. Hell there were more deer than squirrels in that park at one time.

 

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  posted on 11/26/2008 at 01:40 PM
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I meant to say there has got to be something wrong with you if you want to kill a beautiful animal. Who would volunteer to do that? Sick people. Serial killers in training.

Sorry hunters, but there is something wrong with taking away an animal’s life.



To allow those deer to exist in such a population density is inhumane. Period. That's why they call it the Wildlife Management Agency here in TN.

 

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  posted on 11/26/2008 at 02:19 PM
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I meant to say there has got to be something wrong with you if you want to kill a beautiful animal. Who would volunteer to do that? Sick people. Serial killers in training.

Sorry hunters, but there is something wrong with taking away an animal’s life.



what about all the vegetables you kill for your salads!

carrot murderer!

 

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Carrots feel pain, too.

 

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Bambi's mom on the grill.......mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............

they could feed the poor.....

 

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