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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 03:45 AM
Nickelback is a band who's music I have to buy due to my mobile DJ systems. I have listened to their last 3 CD's after getting songs stuck in my head. I even went with my niece last summer, and saw them live. Up until tonight I had been pretty impressed. Tonight I have been listening to Dark Horse which was released last Tuesday. This is the most cliched CD I have ever listened to. The CD only tracks at 43.5 minutes! They are using every riff that has given them success in the past, but really took it to the extreme with very foul language on this one. I guess they feel they have to do what Buckcherry, and a few other bands are doing. Maybe I'm getting too old, but I'm finding this new trend in rock music very boring. It's a younger audience I play to, and they love it. You can bash Nickelback on their whole career if you want, but I did like what they were doing until this.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 08:19 AM
The bigger the machine gets the less they have any control. With sales drastically declining in music, record companies need to make money where they can even at the expense of a band's longevity. They came up with a formula that worked and if they handed the company something that didn't sound like that than the company would laugh and than tell them to re-do it.

My advice would be to do it and make the money now while you can.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 10:21 AM
My advice would be to get out of your contract with a major record label and either go indie, or record albums on your own and simply release them via internet on their own website like Radiohead did, so you have complete creative control and you don't need the major label or anything- not even distribution of your product. I hate to admit it- but the physical product is decliing- nobody goes to record stores hardly any longer- I do, but I like I'm sure a few others around here, are a dying breed. Everybody is getting their music online in MP3 format, or whatever. Which is where I'm starting to head more and more simply for the convenience but also, if you've got itunes, it's a great source for finding some obscure gems that you can find at your local record store.

So, my advice for any band is to not be involved with a major label right now. It might give you a bit of success initially- but there is no longevity there.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 11:28 AM
They remind me of Boston - I like their songs, but they all sound the same....or at least the same style...

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 01:42 PM
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My advice would be to get out of your contract with a major record label and either go indie, or record albums on your own and simply release them via internet on their own website like Radiohead did, so you have complete creative control and you don't need the major label or anything- not even distribution of your product. I hate to admit it- but the physical product is decliing- nobody goes to record stores hardly any longer- I do, but I like I'm sure a few others around here, are a dying breed. Everybody is getting their music online in MP3 format, or whatever. Which is where I'm starting to head more and more simply for the convenience but also, if you've got itunes, it's a great source for finding some obscure gems that you can find at your local record store.

So, my advice for any band is to not be involved with a major label right now. It might give you a bit of success initially- but there is no longevity there.


That is another method although they would be no where near as successful. Don't under-estimate how many albums these guys sell. I like Sang's Boston comparison. They have a formula which is selling (basically a commercial version of Metallica) and you either like it or you don't. I wouldn't expect major change though. Regardless of whether they went indie or with a major.

Plus Pumpkin is pretty off base about whether doing it on your own can match a major. radiohead did not fare very well and that was even with distribution help. If these guys had started off selling their own stuff then we would have no idea who they were. Just like the millions of other artists on the internet.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 01:50 PM
WOW! I can't believe you guys are giving Nickelback any credit whatsoever. How can you compare them to Boston? When it comes down to it, Boston had some talent! Nickelback is just schlock. Every song sounds the same. Lowest common denominator garbage.
 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 02:00 PM
There is a definite formula to Boston's music. The songs sound the same even when released 20 years apart. Nickleback is similar in that respect.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 03:45 PM
CanadianMule- I'm not off base on the Radiohead selling it on their website at all. They put the music in the hands of the people which helps to facilitate the only area where artists can actually make money- THE LIVE SHOW. Radiohead understands that kids are gonna get the music one way or another- if you make the price too high, they'll just steal it. If you make music that isn't quality and doesn't put the hardcore audience first- following a muse instead of a METHOD, then people will not buy the CD. Nickelback is a formula. Will anyone really be listening to them in 30 years? But Radiohead sold like 3 or 4 million copies of their album by doing it themselves and then another couple million distributing the physical product. But they majorly cut out the major label which more and more people are starting to do because it's a failing system. PERIOD!!!
 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 03:59 PM
Actually you over estimate radiohead's sales by a considerable amount. Got these figures just the other day. These are US sales

37. Radiohead "In Rainbows" 633,638 Amazing considering they gave away the album for free.

Down greatly from previous releases. But that can be said across the entire industry. It was also with distribution assitance. Would have been even less without it.

The system may be failing as you say but it is still far more effective than posting on your website or through other internet sources independantly. To have the sucess on a scale of Nickleback, you will never do it alone.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 04:05 PM
Kind of amazed that anyone would think Nickelback is on the wrong track when it comes to selling cds. Regardless what I or anyone else think of them. their last record was on the charts for over 2 years and I think is over 8 million in sales now while most rock bands would give anything to have even a tiny fraction of Nickelback's sales. Then after selling all those they had Mutt Lange produce their latest cd. Whatever the quality of the cd, they have the selling part down better than most.
 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 04:17 PM
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Kind of amazed that anyone would think Nickelback is on the wrong track when it comes to selling cds. Regardless what I or anyone else think of them. their last record was on the charts for over 2 years and I think is over 8 million in sales now while most rock bands would give anything to have even a tiny fraction of Nickelback's sales. Then after selling all those they had Mutt Lange produce their latest cd. Whatever the quality of the cd, they have the selling part down better than most.


Exactly and to imply that it could be done independantly is absurd. Also assuming that they would want to release something other than their 'formula' implies that they don't like the music that they produce. I am positive after meeting them last year that they are pretty happy with their success. They have managed to sell well for a relatively heavy band which is an accomplishment in itself.

Pumpkin is forgetting that Radiohead did not do it on their own. If they had released the latest as an unknown it would have done nothing nor would it help with concert sales. Otherwise every artist on myspace would be playing arenas by now.

I am all for people succeeding in any way and for personal reasons I am no huge fan of the corporate music scene but I readily admit that it is a needed beast to truly succeed.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 04:27 PM
Right,Radiohead was only able to do what they did because they were already an established band and even then it certainly can be argued that it hurt their sales. Meanwhile, Nickelback was getting a 50-70 million dollar deal from Live Nation.
 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 04:34 PM
Not bad for a bunch of Canucks. My daughter likes them and of all the music she plays I will gladly accept hearing them as opposed to many of the other artists she plays. there is definitely a similarity between many of their songs though. But the same can be said about most artists.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 04:46 PM
They are an unapologetic rock band, which is fine by me as there are not enough of them these days. Even if they stick to a formula, its one that works for the band and their fans. I don't spend my money on them but if I had to sit through a show for my niece or nephews, I doubt I would hate it. I have numerous friends here in Columbus still raving about the AC/DC show here Friday, they stick to a winning formula and hasn't worked out to bad for them!
 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 05:05 PM
I hope my mom can pick this up at the same time as she gets me the new GNR CD.
 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 05:10 PM
I agree with Sang they are this generations Boston. I personally dont care for them but I know people who like them and I could care less if they sell millions of records
 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 05:19 PM
I think Nickelback is about as awful as it gets these days. Here's a great example of their offensiveness to originality and good music all around:

http://www.thewebshite.net/nickelback.htm

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 05:32 PM
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There is a definite formula to Boston's music. The songs sound the same even when released 20 years apart. Nickleback is similar in that respect.


No kidding, Boston is one of those groups that has had their songs played non-stop over the decades. I think Nickelback will be the same. Both suck in my opinion. Just because they are popular does not mean they are worth a nickel. The "I wanna be a rockstar" song is kind of funny but I think they ripped off Joe Walsh on that one.

Radiohead is kind of popular too, but I think Thom Yorke has some originality due to his real depression issues.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 06:27 PM
Of course Radiohead couldn't have done things the way they did them if they weren't already established. I never said anything different. The only reason they had the success they did with their method was because they already were mega huge. I get all that. But who cares? I don't buy Nickelback records and I never will. It's pop rock cheese to the fullest degree and it won't be long before they fade away like every other pop rock cheese group from the last 20 years. Radiohead will continue on- and I'm not even a big Radiohead fan. But they do something different. They don't sound like other people. I have more respect for their artistic direction and their attempt to cut out the major label than I do if Nickelback sells 30 million records while playing to the radio. But if you don't think the old way of marketing and selling records is dead, then you are deaf and blind. Because we used to have it all crammed down our throats, with average top 40 radio and MTV, etc. They used to tell us what we liked and what was good. Now, with Sirius Radio, myspace, file sharing, etc., it's wide open and now it's all about niches. People don't listen to regular radio and MTV is a reality TV channel. So where are people discovering music? The internet. There has never been a better time to be an independent band, growing organically not through record sales, but word of mouth and the live show. And ultimately, I think that's a positive thing for music.
 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 06:43 PM
It may be but about 99.9% of those acts will go unheard for the most part. As for radio being dead, there are still plenty of listeners and it by far out paces any other source for being heard. It may not have the strength that it once did but at that point it was the only option.

All the other methods are great but people have to hear about you first to try and track you down. How many people find a band that they never knew existed on the internet just by browsing?

I think a positive aspect could be the return of people going to small clubs locally as opposed to the big shows. I like the spreading of the wealth. But for fame and to get your music heard, the majors are still the way to go for now.

A major difference between Boston and Nickleback is that Nickleback is smart enough to put out albums more than every ten years.

Whether some on here like Niclkeback or not makes no difference. We are not their intended target audience anyway.

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 07:02 PM
I strongly disagree about the radio and other "mainstream" sources for music discovery. Radio plays the same songs over and over. Even classic rock radio plays the same tunes. I personally get turned on to new acts- new meaning artists I'm not familiar with, they don't have to be new per se- but I find out about other acts by either friends whose music knowledge I trust- or through itunes, by simply browsing. I also pay attention to artists that I already like. I read interviews with them and see what musicians or bands they mention and then I use the internet to find them and give them listen. I am in my late twenties and I have siblings that are younger than I am- from what I can tell, most them are getting exposed to stuff through the internet. Nerding it up like us on chatrooms and message boards- checking out myspace or itunes. Sharing stuff with their friends. It's a different world man. It's much broader. And yet much more accessible because the internet makes the world smaller. But I can't think of a band since I was in 6th grade that I found out about because of the radio. If you are listening to top 40 radio then you are missing out. And if that's your frame of reference for being turned on to music and you take music seriously, then I think that's a shame because it's a very limited scope.
 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 07:17 PM
Not to mention that if your goal is fame and money, I want no part of what you're laying down and I really believe that most people are looking for the same kind of "soul" in the music they find and listen to. They are attracted to music that is made for the art of expression and for how that helps them to relate to the world. And if the old method was working that well- how come Tower Records and countless other major record chains and stores across the country have been closing at an ever faster pace. And don't say the economy. Because Tower closed two years ago. It's dying because of the internet and how accessible music is- and why is that? Because of the major labels making music a product instead of art- they have been manufacturing music instead of allowing artists to do what they do. And why is that? Because they are only interested in money- when is the last time you heard a modern record that you felt could stand up to something like Marvin Gaye's What's Going On? Or Layla, or anything THe Beatles did- or Zeppelin or Dylan- or Miles Davis or Bob Marley? There is a reason why that era is considered the golden era of music. Because it was just before the artform was exploited for the money the major labels saw they could make. And they ran with it- and that started the evolution of music as a product and not as art. Nickelback is nothing more than the next thing in line of that history of product making. No risk taking- no chances- no courage- just, lets make a song that sounds just like the last song. And so what, they have sold millions of records- they haven't SAID anything.
 

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  posted on 11/24/2008 at 12:55 AM
I will try and respond in a short form.

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I strongly disagree about the radio and other "mainstream" sources for music discovery. Radio plays the same songs over and over. Even classic rock radio plays the same tunes.


And it just so happens that those artists are the biggest sellers. Even the classic rock bands that are played to death out sell all the older bands that don't sell as much. You actually prove my point for me. The reason is exposure. You underestimate the number of people in cars, homes, business and malls that do not have satelite radios. Even those people that do not own any type of musical device have an alarm clock with the radio. Believe what you will but the world doesn't just change in a day. Not to mention the muzac channels which are owned by the same companies and pipe music in everywhere. You might not like the music but millions of others do. And they will listen to the same songs over and over. Why? Because they like them and nothing will change that.

Sales are down and that is why stores are changing or closing. That is very true. A large part is that it is so easy to steal. Either by copying or download. You can find pretty much anything you want if you look long enough. But once all those stores are closed you have limited your customer base and some people won't be able to buy things that others will pirate. But all that proves is that computers and the internet help people steal. It doesn't mean that it will replace record companies as a business nor ensure bands to get there music out there.

To tour you need people to have an interest in you. That means you have to get your music out there. The internet is an easy way except that there are millions of others doing the same. Nickleback may just be the next thing in line as you mention but that means they succeeded. Regardless of whether you or I like them. Chuck Berry all sounds the same and he helped invent the music. Big deal. To many the ABB just sounds like lots of guitar solos and it all sounds the same. we can disagree all we like but it is true to a degree.

As far as money is concerned, every serious band is concerned about money otherwise you will not be able to afford it as more than a hobby. every band that you like is concerned about it believe me so maybe you want nothing to do with them.

Hate the major labels all you want but they provided us with all that great music and killer bands.

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Marvin Gaye's What's Going On? Or Layla, or anything THe Beatles did- or Zeppelin or Dylan- or Miles Davis or Bob Marley?


All products of a major label. All interested in making money.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2008 at 07:16 AM
Can't stand the guy's vocals who sings for Nickelback! On the flip side most Boston songs do have a familiar song but Brad Delp's vocals were awesome! R.I.P. Brad

 

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  posted on 11/24/2008 at 08:36 AM
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I think Nickelback is about as awful as it gets these days. Here's a great example of their offensiveness to originality and good music all around:

http://www.thewebshite.net/nickelback.htm

As soon as I saw this thread, it made me think of that link. Thanks for posting it. You pretty well summed up my feelings regarding Nickelback.

 
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