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  posted on 11/22/2008 at 06:43 PM
I found this very disturbing. The technology we have is great , but too many kids are abusing it.

Kin outraged, distraught over teen's cyber suicide

By RASHA MADKOUR
Associated Press Writer
MIAMI The family of a college student who killed himself live on the Internet say they're horrified his life ended before a virtual audience, and infuriated that viewers of the live webcam or operators of the Web site that hosted it didn't act sooner to save him.

Only after police arrived to find Abraham Biggs dead in his father's bed did the Web feed stop Wednesday 12 hours after the 19-year-old Broward College student first declared on a Web site that he hated himself and planned to die.

"It didn't have to be," said the victim's sister, Rosalind Bigg. "They got hits, they got viewers, nothing happened for hours."

Biggs announced his plans to kill himself over a Web site for bodybuilders, authorities said. He posted a link from there to Justin.tv, a site that allows users to broadcast live videos from their webcams.

A computer user who claimed to have watched said that after swallowing some pills, Biggs went to sleep and appeared to be breathing for a few hours while others cracked jokes.

Some members of his virtual audience encouraged him to do it, others tried to talk him out of it, and some discussed whether he was taking a dose big enough to kill himself, said Wendy Crane, an investigator with the Broward County medical examiner's office.

Some users told investigators they did not take him seriously because he had threatened suicide on the site before.

Eventually, someone notified the moderator of the bodybuilding site, who traced Biggs' location and called police, Crane said. The drama unfolded live on Justin.tv, which allows viewers to post comments alongside the video images.

As police entered the room, the audience's reaction was filled with Internet shorthand: "OMFG," one wrote, meaning "Oh, my God." Others, either not knowing what they were seeing, or not caring, wrote "lol," which means "laughing out loud," and "hahahah."

His father, Abraham Biggs Sr., told The Miami Herald he didn't want to watch the video.

"We were very good friends," he said. "It's wrong that it was allowed to happen."

An autopsy concluded Biggs died from a combination of opiates and benzodiazepine, which his family said was prescribed for his bipolar disorder.

"Abe, i still wish this was all a joke," a friend wrote on the teenager's MySpace page, which he described himself as a goodhearted guy who would always be available for his pals, no matter what time of day.

In a statement, Justin.tv CEO Michael Seibel said: "We regret that this has occurred and want to respect the privacy of the broadcaster and his family during this time."

It is unclear how many people watched it happen. The Web site would not say how many people were watching the broadcast. The site as a whole had 672,000 unique visitors in October, according to Nielsen.

Biggs was not the first person to commit suicide with a webcam rolling. But the drawn-out drama and the reaction of those watching was seen as an extreme example of young people's penchant for sharing intimate details about themselves over the Internet.

Montana Miller, an assistant professor of popular culture at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, said Biggs' very public suicide was not shocking, given the way teenagers chronicle every facet of their lives on sites like Facebook and MySpace.

"If it's not recorded or documented then it doesn't even seem worthwhile," she said. "For today's generation it might seem, `What's the point of doing it if everyone isn't going to see it?'"

She likened Biggs' death to other public ways of committing suicide, like jumping off a bridge.

Crane said she knows of a case in which a Florida man shot himself in the head in front of an online audience, though she didn't know how much viewers saw. In Britain last year, a man hanged himself while chatting online.

Miami lawyer William Hill said there is probably nothing that could be done legally to those who watched and did not act. As for whether the Web site could be held liable, Hill said there doesn't seem to be much of a case for negligence.

"There could conceivably be some liability if they knew this was happening and they had some ability to intervene and didn't take action," said Hill, who does business litigation and has represented a number of Internet-based clients. But "I think it would be a stretch."

Condolences poured into Biggs' MySpace page, where the mostly unsmiling teen is seen posing in a series of pictures with various young women. On the bodybuilding Web site, Biggs used the screen name CandyJunkie. His Justin.tv alias was "feels_like_ecstacy."

Bigg described her brother as an outgoing person who struck up conversations with Starbucks baristas and enjoyed taking his young nieces to Chuck E. Cheese. He was health-conscious and exercised but was not a bodybuilder, she said.

"This is very, very sudden and unexpected for us," the sister said. "It boggles the mind. We don't understand."

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Associated Press Writers Jessica Gresko and Lisa Orkin Emmanuel and the AP News Research Center in New York contributed to this report.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2008 at 06:54 PM
An example of why people here should not keep attacking Dean.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2008 at 07:10 PM
Good point.
 

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  posted on 11/22/2008 at 07:38 PM
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An example of why people here should not keep attacking Dean.

You may be surprised to hear me say this, but I agree, and would not want to live with something like this happening due to anything I've said. I posted this article as a reminder to myself, and others. I've said things here I regret due to anger. No more. I'm done feuding on this site with Dean, and one other. I am not a confrontational person in real life unless threatened. The words that are said on my screen are no more than words anymore. Life is too short for this BS, and I'm not replying to what gets posted after this. I have decided to call a truce between those that I have conflicted with. I may have learned something from that tragic article.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2008 at 08:04 PM
We live in a SICK world. For people to watch this unfold, and even encourage him to do it....it's just frightening that people are so cold and callous.

Which brings us to some of the bull$hit that goes on between certain posters on this site. I have seen (read) where people here have told other posters to, more or less, go kill themselves. If I was a moderator or administrator on this site, and read where this kind of exchange went on between two posters, the offending poster would be banned.

For some people, this IS real life. Sad, but true.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 12:19 AM
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An example of why people here should not keep attacking Dean.

You may be surprised to hear me say this, but I agree, and would not want to live with something like this happening due to anything I've said. I posted this article as a reminder to myself, and others. I've said things here I regret due to anger. No more. I'm done feuding on this site with Dean, and one other. I am not a confrontational person in real life unless threatened. The words that are said on my screen are no more than words anymore. Life is too short for this BS, and I'm not replying to what gets posted after this. I have decided to call a truce between those that I have conflicted with. I may have learned something from that tragic article.




I'm with you Mule, life is way too short to spend any of it regretting something we might have done to cause anything like this to happen.
Something, somewhere down the line of isp, web site, and viewers should have been done to stop that tragedy.

Prayers for the family

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 12:25 AM
This is sad beyond belief. What is happeneing that people can't make the connection between virtual and real? I read some things on here that makes it apparent people are talking to a screen, not a person. I don't think anyone would say some of the things they do if they stop to think that a human being will be reading and reacting to what's written.

How sad for the family to know people watched and joked while their son died.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 12:59 AM
Sad , very sad .
One thing about Dean, he knows he needs some assistance, many folks here have hinted to him about it. Maybe he is getting some help. Maybe he's not. If I were him, I'd think seriously about it. Ain't nothing wrong with a little assistance, can't be too proud or stubborn.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 11:53 AM
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Sad , very sad .
One thing about Dean, he knows he needs some assistance, many folks here have hinted to him about it. Maybe he is getting some help. Maybe he's not. If I were him, I'd think seriously about it. Ain't nothing wrong with a little assistance, can't be too proud or stubborn.


Dean may be putting himself in harms way. Most of us know his name and the area where he lives and so on. He isn't anonymous and could be setting himself up to get in a lot of trouble iif someone decides to pay him a visit.


Have you ever thought that what you think you know about "Dean" might be wrong?

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 11:58 AM
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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 12:07 PM
I read a few articles on this this morming, its really sad
from my understanding the teenager had pulled a few hoaxs like this before

and people thought it was another hoax I think it was unfare for the father to attack
the adminstrators of the site

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 12:32 PM
Be kinder than necessary
Because everyone you meet is fighting
Some kind of battle.

 

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I have a rule Id never say anything on the net
that I wouldnt say in public or to someones face

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 12:46 PM
There is a whole new "virtual" world out there, and the line between real and imaginary is getting more and more blurry. I don't think anyone is to blame for this young man's action but him, and while it may have been callous to watch it unfold, no one knew if he was faking or not.

As for Dean, if he committed suicide tomorrow, making the voluntary choice to return Home early, that is on him, not anyone here. He dishes out far more than he gets in return. Suppose someone here committed suicide because of Dean's relentless attacks on them. What would we be saying about Dean then? He makes the choice every day to log on to this website so he can launch a personal attack on anyone that crosses his path. I take responsiblity for my own actions. I won't take responsibility for someone else's.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 12:48 PM
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I have the same rule, Tarzan.

But what I would say to some of our posters if I met them face-to-face shouldn't be posted in a public forum anyway.

 

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I have the same rule, Tarzan.

But what I would say to some of our posters if I met them face-to-face shouldn't be posted in a public forum anyway.


I totally understand
and wouldnt judge you for it

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 01:28 PM
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Do you really believe that? Your actions tell another story.



I haven't directed anything unkind to you in months, I don't direct anything to you at all unless I agree. I even offered the olive branch to you a few weeks ago which was very effectively slapped out of my 'hand'. You may continue to harbor a grudge if you like. I have better and more effective uses for my energies.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 03:27 PM
I guess I'm a heartless bastard but I'd pay $$$ to see Dean eat a 30 aught 6 for breakfast.

 

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Do you really believe that? Your actions tell another story.



I haven't directed anything unkind to you in months, I don't direct anything to you at all unless I agree. I even offered the olive branch to you a few weeks ago which was very effectively slapped out of my 'hand'. You may continue to harbor a grudge if you like. I have better and more effective uses for my energies.


Yeah, like encouraging trolls. You owe me a huge apology. Hell, you owe a lot of people apologies.



You don't encourage trolls? BAH HAHAHAHAHA! Look, I don't post very often, but I do lurk from time to time. I see alot of different personalities here and I recognize the clique many of you have established. When someone new comes along, who disagrees politically, they're called out as trolls.

I realize Dean has caused great conflict here, but I've chosen to ignore his constant bait and hook game. Until his food supply runs completely out, he will always throw a line in this pool, people. Let him starve, he'll move on.

Old_Time_Fan, you have been the most ardent encouragement for trolls because you can't ignore them! You've started 'troll alert' threads. What better way to feed a troll than feeding their need for the limelight? Also, almost every post DFC makes, you go behind him with some childish drivel. It's ridiculous. It's annoying. It's a waste of time and bandwidth!


 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 04:27 PM
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realize Dean has caused great conflict here, but I've chosen to ignore his constant bait and hook game. Until his food supply runs completely out, he will always throw a line in this pool, people. Let him starve, he'll move on.



I think that shipped sailed long ago. I am not a doctor and will not pretend to be but Dean's behaviour is not that of the average troll. He has been through quite a bit obviously and probably needs some friends who he could talk it out with. Plus seeing a specialist would probably greatly help him. Not taking shots at him as I have said all this to him. His behaviour here was fairly decent for a couple of years then some without realizing what the result would be started to taunt back. I understand their reaction because many of us did the same years before. I warned what the result would be and it happened. Doesn't make me a genius just experienced.

Trolls don't bother me really. They are just another part of a colorful community. Hug a troll today.

SweetRebel - stop lurking and join the fun more often.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 04:46 PM
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I guess I'm a heartless bastard but I'd pay $$$ to see Dean eat a 30 aught 6 for breakfast.


Have you considered employment opportunities with organizations such as Blackwater?

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 04:50 PM
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There is a whole new "virtual" world out there, and the line between real and imaginary is getting more and more blurry. I don't think anyone is to blame for this young man's action but him, and while it may have been callous to watch it unfold, no one knew if he was faking or not.

As for Dean, if he committed suicide tomorrow, making the voluntary choice to return Home early, that is on him, not anyone here. He dishes out far more than he gets in return. Suppose someone here committed suicide because of Dean's relentless attacks on them. What would we be saying about Dean then? He makes the choice every day to log on to this website so he can launch a personal attack on anyone that crosses his path. I take responsiblity for my own actions. I won't take responsibility for someone else's.



The point is that people should not directly suggest suicide as a course of action for someone, which is what has been done on the site. You do have a point regarding his answers to others, but if you think back, it usually was the others who started it a loooong time ago. It is a two way street and no one, Dean or others should engage in abusiveness. Forums are places for discussion about ideas and points of view.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 05:47 PM
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The point is that people should not directly suggest suicide as a course of action for someone, which is what has been done on the site.


What is he has a bomb strapped on and decides to push the button at Minkmans World Of Corned Beef on a busy Thursday lunch hour ?

 

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Do you really believe that? Your actions tell another story.



I haven't directed anything unkind to you in months, I don't direct anything to you at all unless I agree. I even offered the olive branch to you a few weeks ago which was very effectively slapped out of my 'hand'. You may continue to harbor a grudge if you like. I have better and more effective uses for my energies.


I march to the beat of my own drummer, as a few here may know...

but it seems to me you used a lot of energy those months ago to go way out of your way to make OTF look foolish and made that fence fund fiasco your own little battleground. I don't buy for one second these "positive vibes" and "effective use of energies" you're always blabbering about.

though forgiven, at least by me, don't expect certain people to forget.

what you did was pretty bad... and sneaky. You commit these acts of deceit and tell others to get over it as you've moved on. It doesn't work that way.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2008 at 06:23 PM
but it seems to me you used a lot of energy those months ago to go way out of your way to make OTF look foolish and made that fence fund fiasco your own little battleground. I don't buy for one second these "positive vibes" and "effective use of energies" you're always blabbering about.

though forgiven, at least by me, don't expect certain people to forget.

what you did was pretty bad... and sneaky. You commit these acts of deceit and tell others to get over it as you've moved on. It doesn't work that way.



I admit the fence fundraising got way out of hand. Other than that, I've never gone out of my way to make anyone look foolish. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Nomercy? One day, about 40 posts and then I told everyone who I was and why I'd returned under an alias. Nomercy hasn't been back since. If OTF has looked 'foolish,' I had nothing to do with it.

 

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