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Author: Subject: Auto Workers Making $75 an Hour!!!!WTF!!!!

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:17 AM
I just heard on CNBC that as of the last agreement between the Auto Workers Union and the Big 3, the hourly wage is $75 an hour. Also, the workers were willing to strike to maintain that wage.

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:18 AM
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I just heard on CNBC that as of the last agreement between the Auto Workers Union and the Big 3, the hourly wage is $75 an hour. Also, the workers were willing to strike to maintain that wage.

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$156k a year? Really? Wow. I know some auto workers, didn't know they were pulling in that kinda coin...

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:25 AM
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I just heard on CNBC that as of the last agreement between the Auto Workers Union and the Big 3, the hourly wage is $75 an hour. Also, the workers were willing to strike to maintain that wage.

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$156k a year? Really? Wow. I know some auto workers, didn't know they were pulling in that kinda coin...
And the average salary for our teachers is significantly under $50000 / year (not including what they pay out of pocket to support their classrooms )...

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:27 AM
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I just heard on CNBC that as of the last agreement between the Auto Workers Union and the Big 3, the hourly wage is $75 an hour. Also, the workers were willing to strike to maintain that wage.

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$156k a year? Really? Wow. I know some auto workers, didn't know they were pulling in that kinda coin...


While I think thats kind of high too, you have to consider the cost of living in those areas as well. Thats a fortune if you live down here in Texas. Our Toyota plant here in town doesnt pay anything close to that. Closer to $15-20 an hour.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:38 AM
I'm guessing that $75/ hr. is not an hourly wage but also includes benefits. UAW work rules do indeed need to be re worked. An MBA type that I work with told me he learned in a business class he took several years ago that UAW rules state a worker does not have to perform any task no matter how trivial or simple that is not explicitly stated in their job description. Period.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:42 AM
I just researched it, and itís true: They went on strike for two day s last year. GM agreed to pay the core workers $78.21 an hour on top of a $3,000 bonus for signing the agreement.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2007/10/15/details_of_gm_contract/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/28/AR200709280 1654.html?sid=ST2007092401268

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:43 AM
$156,000 a year? That's middle class, according to some here. We have one poster who says he and his wife are struggling on $250,000 a year. I'm sure the auto workers can get by on less, but there are lots of pencil pushers who don't produce anything who are making far more than that every year.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:44 AM
That figure does include benefits. I'd like to see the average wage without pension, vacation/sick pay, healthcare, etc.



 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:48 AM
I know somebody here working at the Mercedes plant who was hired in at $18/hr...Must be non-union. I'm not sure.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:50 AM
Sorry but I find this hard to defend. Those greedy pigs ruined their own Industry. Now they want us to save their cushy jobs. Please!!!!!!!!
 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:02 PM
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I know somebody here working at the Mercedes plant who was hired in at $18/hr...Must be non-union. I'm not sure


GM hirers in at a much lower wage now than they used to, don't know the exact figure though. I believe new hirees also do not get a pension as part of the last labor agreement.


 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:06 PM
Where can I sign up for one of these jobs?? I work in health care and don't make near as much as these folks.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:07 PM
Johnny worked several union theatres when he was recording the Brothers live and he said one time there was a switch that needed to be turned on and the man he was working with couldn't do it....a union thing.....they all had to wait for the switch flipper to be rounded up to flip the switch.

I understand unions are necessary to prevent abuses in the job place, but foreign car companies are eating our lunch because of the cost of labor to make American cars!

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:08 PM
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Where can I sign up for one of these jobs?? I work in health care and don't make near as much as these folks.


You have to have a cousin named Vito to get one of those jobs!!!

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:14 PM
United Steel Workers killed that industry.

UAW is primarily responsible for the failure of the Big Three to remain competive. The first 3-4k you pay for a Chevy or Ford goes to maintaining health care for retirees.

Why are there no textile mills in operation in N. Carolina?

Why can't we get rid of bad teachers?

Why do government workers need a union?

Unions have killed the industrial base of this country.

They are the most corrupt organizations besides the mafia, in fact, they are barely distinguishable.

They became unnecessary long ago.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:37 PM
Always blame the workers. It's the American way. It's Health Care benefits that are killing he industry. We're the only industrialized nation that dosen't provide health care to it's citizens. The CEOs get tens if millions to make mistakes like the Hummer.
 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:40 PM
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That figure does include benefits. I'd like to see the average wage without pension, vacation/sick pay, healthcare, etc.


Benefits usually make up about 30% of the company's cost of hiring an employee. But I'd wager a guess that it's much higher than that in the auto industry, with pensions and no-deductible healthcare that is 100% employer-paid premiums.

Just as an example, my wife's company offers pretty good bennies and if we chose the lowest deductible (and still not zero either), lowest out-of-pocket-maximum, lowest co-pays, and highest co-insurance coverage, it would have cost us over $600/month for employee + spouse + children dependents. And her company pays a large portion of the cost for the employee, and a smaller portion of the cost for the employee's spouse & dependents.

So that's a high cost if the Big 3 are paying 100% of the premiums and the coverage is 100% with no cost to the employee whatsoever (as I've heard, but not certain about). And then there's the pension on top of that.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:43 PM
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Why not pay these guys $20k a year and have the cars a lot cheaper? They'll never find anything else that will pay them that much.


$20K a year, minus at least 25% for taxes, leaves a little over $250 a week to live on. Could you do that? I know your house is paid for, but if it wasn't, could you support a family on $20K a year?

I believe the auto workers are over paid for what they do, but I don't think they are the ones to blame in all this.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:48 PM
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We have one poster who says he and his wife are struggling on $250,000 a year.


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you have to consider the cost of living in those areas as well.



Hmmmm.....

Not only do these guys get paid that much and have all the benefits, they also have it if they lose their job to outsourcing or automation...for life. Nice gig.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:49 PM
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That figure does include benefits. I'd like to see the average wage without pension, vacation/sick pay, healthcare, etc.





It does include benefits and to be fair the UAW has bent over backward in recent years. The new hires are coming in at much less. My wife sits on a board with Ron Gettelfinger's wife and I've met them both. He's not the Hoffaesque thug you all may be imagining and neither is the UAW for the most part.

Also, to be fair, the monetary sense of entitlement is/was pervasive throughout the white-collar segment of the auto-biz for many years and NOT just in the top echelon. Empire building was endemic for decades wherein middle-managers would hire (and over hire) subordinaites to appear powerful and important. Why was the 2000 Chevy Impala so damned ugly? A crew of twenty designed the tail lights independent of the folks designing the rest of the car. This was likewise true in the outsource shops including parts, die and tool makers as well as ancillary concerns like advertising and video production.

Finally, to be fair, what's killing the American car industry isn't so much the wage of todays workers but rather paying out the bennies to RETIRED workers many of whom left at sixty or less in the good old days and have been sucking them dry for decades since. Benefit expenses add about to $2K to every Big Three car. The Jap companies are not so encumbered.

Lastly, to be fair, with some exception, Big Three cars are on an equal footing quality-wise with imports and have been for sometime. Don't forget the Big Three have ALL had working partnerships with foreign builders for the last twenty years or more and quality has become part and parcel of American manufacturing as a result. The Woodstock boomer/ABB generation has grown up and old with the idea that an import is not only better quality but somehow more prestigious to be seen driving. This wanton arrogance has also hurt the Big Three but the good news is the younger generation coming up doesn't see things te same way. Entry level Big Three cars sell well but unfortunately aren't profitable for the reasons stated above.

Now, please feel free to go back to bashing the American autoworker.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:51 PM
They went on strike last year to keep their wages this high! That is what I have a problem with. There is no way to defend this.

When Unions go on strike it is like holding a gun to the Company's head. BANG they're all dead.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:56 PM
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They went on strike last year to keep their wages this high! That is what I have a problem with. There is no way to defend this.

When Unions go on strike it is like holding a gun to the Company's head. BANG they're all dead.


Who did?

 

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They went on strike last year to keep their wages this high! That is what I have a problem with. There is no way to defend this.

When Unions go on strike it is like holding a gun to the Company's head. BANG they're all dead.


Who did?


The GM auto workers did last september

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20903218

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 01:05 PM
For what it is worth, the top selling vehicle worldwide is the Ford F-series pickup, and has been for decades. Unless that has changed in recent years, and I stand corrected if it has.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 01:16 PM
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They went on strike last year to keep their wages this high! That is what I have a problem with. There is no way to defend this.

When Unions go on strike it is like holding a gun to the Company's head. BANG they're all dead.


Who did?


The GM auto workers did last september

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20903218


That was essentially a slowdown staged during tooling changeovers, not to maintain their wage ,but to keep jobs from going overseas. You can't trust what you read or hear from MSNBC. They're amateurs.

 

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