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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 08:35 AM
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Mr. Obama made many campaign promises and I hope he keeps them. He has promised change in Washington and I think we deserve change that he has promised. I have tried to list a few of the campaign promises that he has made and I have added a few items that I think need changing in Washington.

Transition team: NO CHANGE Second verse same as the first.


Ok, one more time; Who is he supposed to use? People that dont know anyone or how to get things done? The change you want to see is not tied to his advisors, transition team or any other person...its policies.


Bring troops home: (TBD) Not transfer them to Afghanistan, bring them home. He said day 1, and I want to see the order for the first brigade to come home. That should be priority one on his list. It will save the TAXPAYERS millions. We are broke as a nation and have no business fighting a meaningless war looking for some guy in a cave. They can pinpoint your address on your mailbox from outerspace, but we can't find some guy in a cave? Huh. Bring our troops home like you promised Mr. Obama. Day 1.


Sadly, you dont seem to understand the issue at all. Iraq and Afghanistan are two very different situations. The Iraq war did not need to happen. Afghanistan is where the threats are being created against us. We *should* be there. The Taliban is stronger than they have ever been and they are getting stronger. Anyway, from Change.gov:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden will renew America’s security and standing in the world through a new era of American leadership. The Obama-Biden foreign policy will end the war in Iraq responsibly, finish the fight against the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan...

The pledge was to end the war in IRAQ, not all the conflicts we are currently engaged in. Look for increases in troop deployments to Afghanistan. Im sure you will reply with something about how he lied to us, but if you had even a tiny bit of background on his positions with regard to Iraq, you would completely understand the differences and why he never made that pledge regarding Afghanistan.

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Tax cuts for Middle class: (TBD) I am not sure what the new number will be, it changed quite a bit during the election, but whatever it is, it needs to be done ASAP. He promised middle class tax cuts and we should get them.


He isnt even sworn in yet. Lets at least give him a whole day in office before you complain about not getting the tax cut. Interestingly, you complain further down about our slide towards socialism but yet you are all for money coming your way (spreading the wealth). Either you dont agree with the conservatives that this equals socialism or you really dont have a problem with it.


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Stimulus Package: He promised a second stimulus package similar to the one that Bush gave out. I have heard numbers as high as 4 TRILLION dollars that the fed has pumped back into the market! Have any of you seen ANY of that 4 trillion? There needs to be a stimulus package for mainstreet, NOW!


You had two stimulus checks already and now you want another one??? By the way, Obama isnt the one pushing the stimulus, its Bush and our Congress/House. Again, lets let him take office before you attribute things to him. And just fyi, the proposed stimulus has nothing in it for you and me personally. Its for infrastructure projects mostly. Beyond that, looking at the stats from the last two stimulus checks, not much got spent and a lot got put away in peoples savings accounts.


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No more Bailouts: The American people are clearly against these bailouts and the pilferring of the caufers of the tax payer needs to end. They need to stop day 1.


I agree here. Specifically for the auto industry. If they can fly to the hand-out meeting in private corporate jets and refuse to give up multi-million dollar paychecks for themselves, they dont need my money.


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Cut Spending by 25%: We need to cut government spending. Mr. Obama has many ambitious programs that will require money that we do not have. If he can cut spending, that would be real change that I could believe in.


If you knew anything at all about what he has planned, you would know he is already trying to figure out where to cut spending.

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Feel free to add any campaign promises that I may have missed. The score will be updated Jan 22. We will see if real change is coming to DC.


How generous! Youre giving him two whole days to undo 8+ years of mismanagement of the entire governmental body. Shoot, I think he could knock that out on his first day... Why are you cutting him so much slack?

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 09:53 AM
Janet Napalitono. Daschle. Shrillary.

The times they are a changin'.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 10:05 AM
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People that dont know anyone or how to get things done?


So, you think the people in Washington know how to get things done? There should be fresh blood that does not work for big business, but the people. The change needs to be government for the people!

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Afghanistan is where the threats are being created against us. We *should* be there


I needed a good laugh. Yeah, those afganis are SERIOUS threat to you and me! What a big lie to keep big business in business making the war machine. Let's keep getting Americans killed and spend millions of the tax payers dollars to defeat the evil Afghani's! Are you serious! We are broke as a nation and we are waging a phony war so the fat cats can keep getting rich while we're BROKE! Are you kidding me! Get the troops out, NOW! He promise day 1. With a stroke of a pen, the first brigade should be coming home. If he does not do that, people will be pissed! NO MORE LIES!!!


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a new era of American leadership


It sure smells like more of the same. The Republicrats will not change. I will show you, thru time, this is just more of the same. Nothing is going to change but the average income of the true American, while the fat cats in DC continue to get rich at our expense.

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its Bush and our Congress/House


Yeah, this is going to be the mantra of the Obama administration. Good Cop, Bad Cop. Look, Obama is the most powerful man in the World and he is afraid to go to Atlanta to help his party win a major run off? Why? Well, if the dude were to lose, Obama would lose a little of that steam. So, they send Clinton? WoW!

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you complain further down about our slide towards socialism but yet you are all for money coming your way (spreading the wealth). Either you dont agree with the conservatives that this equals socialism or you really dont have a problem with it.

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If you knew anything at all about what he has planned, you would know he is already trying to figure out where to cut spending.


This is the way they are indoctrinating socialism into the American public. That "free" is good. Nothing is ever free and we are going to pay the price of our way of life if this continues. My point is, they are keeping EVERYTHING (4 trillion and counting) for themselves and THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU!

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How generous! Youre giving him two whole days to undo 8+ years of mismanagement of the entire governmental body. Shoot, I think he could knock that out on his first day... Why are you cutting him so much slack?


With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Obama could undo and make new policy. Why shouldn't he be prepared to make CHANGE on Day 1. So, no, I will not give Mr. Obama a pass on anything. If real change does not occure within 30 days, there will be no change at all, accept the end of Capitalism and the beginning of the United States of Amerika!

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 10:09 AM
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Look, Obama is the most powerful man in the World and he is afraid to go to Atlanta to help his party win a major run off? Why? Well, if the dude were to lose, Obama would lose a little of that steam.


Make up your mind. You say you are sick of the wanton partisanship and games but here you are taking Obama to task for not being partisan enough. You either want a President for everyone or you don't.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 10:48 AM
Well, Im done with this particular discussion. JPB's willingness to embrace the crazy outstrips my desire to have a rational discussion of the subject.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 10:49 AM
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Well, Im done with this particular discussion. JPB's willingness to embrace the crazy outstrips my desire to have a rational discussion of the subject.


Rationality is indeed at a premium round these parts these days...

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:07 AM
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Look, Obama is the most powerful man in the World and he is afraid to go to Atlanta to help his party win a major run off? Why? Well, if the dude were to lose, Obama would lose a little of that steam.


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Make up your mind. You say you are sick of the wanton partisanship and games but here you are taking Obama to task for not being partisan enough. You either want a President for everyone or you don't.


How is supporting your candidate practicing partisanship? They are frying Leiberman for being partisan. This about the chance that his candidate could loose, with his support, and that would be a mark against Obama. He doesn't want to take the chance. It's chicken shiit of him not to go and campaign for the man. Win, lose, or draw.

I find it interesting, in my whole reply, that that was all you could come back with? You are the one that seams to be having the trouble with the rational thought. Time will tell my friend, but you will see, this is just a one party system and your man was bought and paid for, and he will NOT do the bidding for the American people, but that of the corporations. I hope you like Socialism, I DON'T.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:15 AM
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Look, Obama is the most powerful man in the World and he is afraid to go to Atlanta to help his party win a major run off? Why? Well, if the dude were to lose, Obama would lose a little of that steam.


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Make up your mind. You say you are sick of the wanton partisanship and games but here you are taking Obama to task for not being partisan enough. You either want a President for everyone or you don't.


How is supporting your candidate practicing partisanship? They are frying Leiberman for being partisan. This about the chance that his candidate could loose, with his support, and that would be a mark against Obama. He doesn't want to take the chance. It's chicken shiit of him not to go and campaign for the man. Win, lose, or draw.

I find it interesting, in my whole reply, that that was all you could come back with? You are the one that seams to be having the trouble with the rational thought. Time will tell my friend, but you will see, this is just a one party system and your man was bought and paid for, and he will NOT do the bidding for the American people, but that of the corporations. I hope you like Socialism, I DON'T.


Tell you what. After 1,000,000,000 angry threads, I've asked you at least ten times what it is you want everyone to do. What do you want everyone to do? You know, after they "wake up."

Besides, reading your posts, you are absolutely convinced that you are 100% right and everyone else is wrong, or at least irrational.

You also have no clue as to what I think about "Time will tell my friend, but you will see, this is just a one party system and your man was bought and paid for, and he will NOT do the bidding for the American people, but that of the corporations." You are making an assumption that you know how I think. You don't.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:21 AM
I'll give him credit, he does realize that he needs experienced people around him to help him get started. But these are all Clinton retreads.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:27 AM
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I'll give him credit, he does realize that he needs experienced people around him to help him get started. But these are all Clinton retreads.


And I'll agree with you, but it really depends on how you look at it and what the expectation of "change" is. Many, many things have changed already.

As far as retreads go, that's how DC works. I, for one, never thought that Obama was going to change the way DC works, but campaign rhetoric means different things to different people. Career Washington is career Washington, period. Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld worked in the Nixon Administration, for instance. The corridors of power in DC are filled with retreads.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:29 AM
I'd like to suggest RBK and JPB for Secretary of Change.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:30 AM
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I'll give him credit, he does realize that he needs experienced people around him to help him get started. But these are all Clinton retreads.


Well, to get any other experienced Democrats, other than those from the Clinton years, he would have to go back to the Johnson administration. You certainly don't want the ones from the Carter years.

Of course he could appoint non-political people who know what they're doing and use some former advisor's from both sides of the aisle to back them up. That to me would speak well for his promise of "change".

So far, I agree that it's just a new round of "same old, same old".

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:30 AM
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How is supporting your candidate practicing partisanship? They are frying Leiberman for being partisan. This about the chance that his candidate could loose, with his support, and that would be a mark against Obama. He doesn't want to take the chance. It's chicken shiit of him not to go and campaign for the man. Win, lose, or draw.


Campaigning takes a lot of time...he is a little busy right now. This is where other heavy hitters of the Dems can come to bat, such as Hillary.

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I find it interesting, in my whole reply, that that was all you could come back with? You are the one that seams to be having the trouble with the rational thought. Time will tell my friend, but you will see, this is just a one party system and your man was bought and paid for, and he will NOT do the bidding for the American people, but that of the corporations. I hope you like Socialism, I DON'T.


You are basing your judgment on nothing more than pure speculation and fear at this point. You have exactly 0 evidence to support any of your claims. Personally, I dont think you have a lot to fear at this time.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 11:56 AM
The idea that Obama has nothing better to do than campaign for a Senator in Georgia is about as stupid as the idea that the way to change America is to move to Belize.

Shouldn't you be packing, jpb? You said you already sold your house. When are the new owners taking possession?

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:03 PM
I overheard someone tell someone who heard it from a neighbor's brother-in-law that Obama really wanted to use different people but the Arabian Horse Show crowd were all busy and turned him down and everyone from the Bush admdinistration seemed to be overqualified for the jobs.

Gimme a break.....anyone who's competent will be a change!!! And besides....Clinton had a good administration....that would mean Obama will definitely have a change for the better starting out.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:08 PM
I believe they NEED that Senate seat badly. Too think he is too busy for ONE stop to help his man get in is not absurd, Obama not helping him is weak on his part. This man should be able to ride Obama's coat tails to victory. What is he afraid of? As usuall, SCB has nothing of substance to say.

I have never heard of more of the same being "change". That's like changing a poopy diaper with another poopy diaper. Give me a break.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:10 PM
I guess only paranoid rants are "substance."

When are you moving out of your house, jpb?

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:14 PM
I think it would be incredibly undignified for Obama to campaign for anyone right now and I think it would be a waste of precicous time needed for him to get ready to take office in January and a misuse of resources it would take to protect him at every stop. Clinton and Gore are perfectly capable of helping out.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:15 PM
There sure are things of substance on my list above. You should be able to handle it without the youtube clips, right. These are words to hold our new president by. Anyone expecting a free pass for Obama is sorely mistaken.

He better start removing the troops like he promised. End the war!

 

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I think it would be incredibly undignified for Obama to campaign for anyone right now and I think it would be a waste of precicous time needed for him to get ready to take office in January and a misuse of resources it would take to protect him at every stop. Clinton and Gore are perfectly capable of helping out.


He is simply afraid the guy might lose. There is nothing for Obama to gain, but everything to lose. It's smart of him politically to not go, I just think it is weak that he doesn't. It just shows that NOTHING has changed in Washington.

Clinton can only put his foot into his mouth and say something stupid and Gore, who is that? Obama not showing up speaks volumes.

 

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So when are you moving?

For the record, I don't believe you sold your house, and I don't believe you are moving to Belize. I also don't believe you converted all your assets to gold.

When are you moving? Lots of things to take care of for a big move like that. Seems like you'd be talking about that. Hard to believe you have so much time to rant about Obama when you have already sold your house with plans to leave the country.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:25 PM
It might speak volumes to people looking for something to discredit Obama right out of the gate, but there are a large number of people who see a bigger picture and aren't reading anything into it.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:31 PM
SCB,

I appreciate you trying to keep up, but I bailed on gold a long time ago. It's Swiss Francs, remember that when your government crashes the dollar and you are getting about 2 cents for your bank account, 401K, and Treasury Bill. Remember that when Obama tells you "we HAVE to accept this new world currency". As for Belize, I am staying in the States thru the Holidays. I will get you an exact moving date and will certainly post some pictures for all to see. You could have caught Belize when Matt Lauer was spewing his Global Warming lies to make you conform to the government controlls that are coming. I Hope you like your socialism cold.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2008 at 12:34 PM
I like the way liketosmoke put this...

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Asking where the change is now, is like asking where the sun is shortly after sunset.


 

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