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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 10:21 AM
I posted a post about The New World Order and it turned to hog wash. Religion, the worst thing that ever happened on the planet. Religion was started so the governments at that time to control the people. Governments at that time did not have control of the people but the church did. The people in power saw this and knew the could control the church. Bingo. repent, rejoice God is watching you and knows what you are thinking. Give me a break. History time. Jews started the saying that they were God children so the Arabs would not attack them for the fear of God sticking back at the Arabs. Archeologist have decoded the walls that old Josh was supposed to have blown down by the sound of many trumpets. This city set on a fault line and the walls were destroyed by an Earth Quake. More than likely they were not standing when old Josh got there. Now we are supposed to believe the word that has been passed down for thousands of years. Well, let me tell you about passing the word on. The Marines Practice passing the word down the line. Trained to not add or take away from what is being passed on. After the word gets about ten or twenty people back the message changes. A's, and, Of's, and other words are now in the message. The message has changed. So I have a lot of trouble believing in the bible. All our politicians go to church, I believe this is for show, then they go back to work and stick it to us. 9/11 had nothing to do with religion. Nothing to do with virgins. Just the New World Order taking over. I know there will be a lot of die hard bible thumpers laying down what they think are words of wisdom, with quotes from the bible and then try to tell me what they mean. We have minds, lets use them. Stop believing in the Witch doctor. Stop believing in the C. I. A. Remember they are in the business of forging papers, to make them sound and look authentic. Why did it take Norad 45 min. to get in the air? That alone should raise a red flag. Plus all the other things they said went wrong at the same time. Bull. Propaganda to hide the truth.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 10:25 AM
YOU Mr. Campbell,are a brave man. I agree with you 100%.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 10:34 AM
I am getting ready to go to church to sing in choir. It gives me joy and connects me to God.

Doesn't control me.

My Church is full of family and friends and is based on the Love of Jesus for all of us.

know that you are loved.

John 13:34:35 is all you need to know.

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 10:53 AM
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I am getting ready to go to church to sing in choir. It gives me joy and connects me to God.

Doesn't control me.

My Church is full of family and friends and is based on the Love of Jesus for all of us.

know that you are loved.

John 13:34:35 is all you need to know.

peace
John

That pretty much sums it up for me. Thanks John.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 11:25 AM
This has been discussed before but Building 7 is the key.
 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 11:29 AM
God gave us free wil - the ability to control our own lives or the ability to hand our lives over to him and obey. I have chosen the latter not because of any government or parental decision, but of my own accord. and its the best decision i have ever made.

Some Allman Brothers feel the same way. Ask Jack Pearson or Oteil.

You may not want to hear this Red Dog, but you're in my prayers!

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 11:33 AM
Sully's post brought something to mind for me - but choosing to submit to God and do as he instructs me in my life I have been set free of so many things, and in so doing have been allowed to grow and experience so much more of life so much more fully than I ever did before. Thanks Sully.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 11:47 AM
Religion isn't what God intended for His creation, it is actually called relationship. That is what I abide in on a daily basis and that pretty much sums thing up.

Every person is controled by what is in thier own minds and that dictates what they do or don't do. Calling it whatever or labeling it whatever doesn't really do anyhting but justify one's own lil system of beliefs and feed into whatever that does for them. We all have free will and need to understand that accountability is necesary in regards for what we do and say. When it really comes down to it.... Nobody can make you do anything if you really don't want to do it. I see no control in that

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 11:56 AM
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I am getting ready to go to church to sing in choir. It gives me joy and connects me to God.

Doesn't control me.

My Church is full of family and friends and is based on the Love of Jesus for all of us.

know that you are loved.

John 13:34:35 is all you need to know.

peace
John


Totally agree, John. I would only like to add that, for me, John 3:16 must also be on that "need to know" list.

Laura Jane

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 11:57 AM
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Religion isn't what God intended for His creation, it is actually called relationship. That is what I abide in on a daily basis and that pretty much sums thing up.

Every person is controled by what is in thier own minds and that dictates what they do or don't do. Calling it whatever or labeling it whatever doesn't really do anyhting but justify one's own lil system of beliefs and feed into whatever that does for them. We all have free will and need to understand that accountability is necesary in regards for what we do and say. When it really comes down to it.... Nobody can make you do anything if you really don't want to do it. I see no control in that


A Catholic Preist in S. Carolina will not give Communion to these who voted for Obama unless they repent. No controll?

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 12:11 PM
Edit: ahhh, nevermind, I'm staying out of this one.

[Edited on 11/16/2008 by heineken515]

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 12:13 PM
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A Catholic Preist in S. Carolina will not give Communion to these who voted for Obama unless they repent. No controll?[qoute]

In my understanding of the Catholic faith, those folks can lie and say they didn't vote for Obama and then go to confession and ask for forgiveness.

Those folks can go to another church I suppose. The way I see it, they are allowing the priest to control that aspect of thier religion. Not the other way around.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 12:33 PM
prayers for reddog

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 12:41 PM
Well, he was asked to post stuff in the WP instead of the GB.




Frank Zappa:

Some take the bible
For what it's worth
When it says that the meek
Shall inherit the Earth
Well, I heard that some sheik
Has bought New Jersey last week
'N you suckers ain't gettin' nothin'

Is Hare Rama really wrong
If you wander around
With a napkin on
With a bell on a stick
An' your hair is all gone . . .
(The geek shall inherit nothin')

You say yer life's a bum deal
'N yer up against the wall . . .
Well, people, you ain't even got no kinda
Deal at all
'Cause what they do
In Washington
They just takes care of NUMBER ONE
An' NUMBER ONE ain't YOU
You ain't even NUMBER TWO

Those Jesus Freaks
Well, they're friendly but
The **** they believe
Has got their minds all shut
An' they don't even care
When the church takes a cut
Ain't it bleak when you got so much nothin'
(So whaddya do? Hey!)
Eat that pork
Eat that ham
Laugh till ya choke
On Billy Graham
Moses, Aaron 'n Abraham . . .
They're all a waste of time
'N it's your ass that's on the line
(IT'S YOUR ASS THAT'S ON THE LINE)

Do what you wanna
Do what you will
Just don't mess up
Your neighbor's thrill
'N when you pay the bill
Kindly leave a little tip
And help the next poor sucker
On his one way trip . . .
SOME TAKE THE BIBLE . . .
(Aw gimme a half a dozen for the hotel room!)

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 12:51 PM
I'm not very religious, but I do generally like that other people are.

I think the infiltration of the religious right into the Republican party is one of the worst things that ever happened to them. Politics and Religion have no business being together in my opinion.


 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 01:18 PM
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A Catholic Preist in S. Carolina will not give Communion to these who voted for Obama unless they repent. No controll?[qoute]

In my understanding of the Catholic faith, those folks can lie and say they didn't vote for Obama and then go to confession and ask for forgiveness.

Those folks can go to another church I suppose. The way I see it, they are allowing the priest to control that aspect of thier religion. Not the other way around.
the catholic church, now there is a beacon of morality!. paying off familys whose boys were sodomised by priests!. but preach that homosexuality is a SIN!!. a bit of hypocracy there don't ya think?.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 01:21 PM
Religion has ruined many a good man's faith.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 01:29 PM
Jesus was spiritual, not religious and spoke un-fondly of religious folk.
Churches using " end time" or hellfire and damn nation to keep the flock in the grip is wrong.
More on this later.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 01:40 PM
"And the Lord uses the good ones
The bad ones use the Lord..."

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 01:51 PM
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I am getting ready to go to church to sing in choir. It gives me joy and connects me to God.

Doesn't control me.

My Church is full of family and friends and is based on the Love of Jesus for all of us.

know that you are loved.

John 13:34:35 is all you need to know.

peace
John


Totally agree, John. I would only like to add that, for me, John 3:16 must also be on that "need to know" list.

Laura Jane


Amen Laura

I think I said it here : "based on the Love of Jesus for all of us." = John 3:16.

That is the basis of Christianity.

But I was specifically referring to Red Dog's " control issue" , John 13:34-35 is the commandment that Jesus gives his disciples just before he went to the cross.

quote:
34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."



So for Christians this is our responsibility when we chose to follow Christ.
This is how Christ defines what it is to be his disciple. What it is to be a true Christian.

He died for us.
This is how much he Loves us. Would you lay your life down for a brother of another mother?

That is the only control Christ asks of those who follow him, to give all of your Love.

That other Political stuff about control is not what religion is about. I don't deny it's existence
in religious institutions. I am sorry that turns many people sour on religion.

But change comes from within. Dropping out doesn't help make it better.
Separating oneself from Love available from the faithful to John 13:34-35 that exists
in congregations throughout religious institutions seems sad to me, when so much Joy
is available.

In areas that I don't agree with my church (Methodist) on social issues or politics, I disagree with my presence and prayer for change.

May God Bless all of you with his Love





 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 04:43 PM
Amen.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 04:56 PM
Historically, Reddog is right. Religions have been used to control people throughout history. I respect the opinions of others that differ from mine. I love reading the Bible and studying early Christian religion, especially those in the 1st century AD.

Some of the writers knew Jesus and heard him speak. They tell a very different story than the approved Bible, the one approved by the Catholic Church, which came down to Protestants. The gnostic texts were left out and all copies were ordered to be burned. But someone buried a copy in clay vessels and it has reappeared. It is fascinating reading. I believe in God and Jesus, but not so much in organized religion.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 05:56 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/no-communion-for-obama-su_n_143804 .html

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 06:00 PM
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I believe in God and Jesus, but not so much in organized religion.
Very well put Ruth.

 

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We stood together thru thick and thin,yeah we made the best of it all back then.
Then I guess time took it's toll,cut me deep,cut me cold.
Brother against brother....

 

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  posted on 11/16/2008 at 06:00 PM
What hasn't been used to control people? The "gnostic texts" were never part of the Bible; they were part of a large collection of writings and texts that were never included. The "Catholic Church" at that time in the 4th century was not the Catholic Church we think of today, and there was wide ranging debate about which texts should be included (Revelation almost didn't make the cut). Gnosticism is not Christianity or Judaism, and as such is not part of either's literature. There are large amounts of gnostic writings that have been availabel since the first century for anyone interested in that particualr take on spirituality. I would be very interested to learn more about the writers you say knew Jesus and tell a very different story. Can you point me in the right direction?

 

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