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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 07:44 AM


Clay got a Weird e-mail check it out....

Pellandfour@aol.com <Pellandfour@aol.com>
Please post this.....If it's true we are most certinally fighting a loosing battle...

Meoozik@aol.com <Meoozik@aol.com>
You know the old expression "Never Assume" ? Well let me let you in on
something. I work with the band! They are going to have a big laugh about this if
you really did contact them!
If you don't believe me, why don't you look at Mycology their epic release
from '95.
You will see that my name, Nadine Hemy, appears all over the credits. I did
the cover art, and A&R'd the record as well!

Don't have Mycology? Look at any of their epic releases since Shades of Two
Worlds, and you will find my name in the credits and thank yous.
Yes they sell it on their website, but it is not available in stores
anywhere.
They asked to be released from their Epic contract, and I was a victim of
layoffs after 12 years with the company. The band and I are extremely close, and
they wanted to help me out because times are rough right now.
You came at me with guns blazing, not knowing anything.
You still bid on my auction, and ended up costing me money. Now you look
like a fool in the eyes of your favorite band....
Nadine
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She could be full of it but sounds pretty confident.



[Edited on 8/6/2003 by KCJimmy]

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 07:59 AM
I lit into her up one side and back down the other! Then got this letter. I probably would have just gone past this one but she was selling it for a good bit more than you can purchase it for. So I decided to screw up her sale. But this very well could be true and if it is, Dunno what to think????

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 07:59 AM


Even though I did not help any...I think the folks that tried to stop the selling of shows did the right thing. Even if she is legit.....who knew that...and why would anyone even ask that. Anyone would consider homemade music sold on e-bay illegal.

Now...this could be true...if she has fallen upon hard times...thats bad....but maybe a lot of the other folks that sell bootlegged music need the money bad too. So does this make it legal for just her and nobody else ? Does the shows she sold have any identification on them that would make you see that it was a legit purchase.

I would not feel guilty if I was any of you. Your purpose was to help what you believe is the illegal sale of booted shows.

So I would take the "Six guns blazing" comment as way to try and lay a guilt trip on someone.....

Even if it is legit...so what...who knew....

and if it is...from now on I would leave the e-bay bids alone...and let them (The Band) handle it their own way.

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 08:02 AM
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I lit into her up one side and back down the other! Then got this letter. I probably would have just gone past this one but she was selling it for a good bit more than you can purchase it for. So I decided to screw up her sale. But this very well could be true and if it is, Dunno what to think????



Don't sweat it Clay....serious.

I sure as hell would not......

If it is legit...when she tries to sell something else...someone will be all over it to purchase....there is always someone willing to buy booted music at inflated prices.

[Edited on 8/5/2003 by OldDirtRoad]

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 08:05 AM
I'll just reply to myself. I do it all the time!

I sent her a note out of curiosity will post any response I GET.....

I saw you wrote this..
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You know the old expression "Never Assume" ? Well let me let you in on
something. I work with the band! They are going to have a big laugh about this if
you really did contact them!
If you don't believe me, why don't you look at Mycology their epic release
from '95.
You will see that my name, Nadine Hemy, appears all over the credits. I did
the cover art, and A&R'd the record as well!
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If this is true and I am not suggesting it is not, would it be possible to get more details? Does the Band place any resrtictions on what YOU can or can not sell? Is it Just you or are they ok with anybody selling their stuff? We ask because we are fighting a battle to help the band and maybe they don't want our help. I don't mean to pry but all indications so far have been that our efforts have been appreciated. Just trying to find out. Furthermore if they are allright with what you are doing You may have some cool stuff that we as fans would be interested in you never know.

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 08:12 AM
I think most bands today are more concerned with downloading music files, going back to the Napster issue. Could be that seeing single item shows for sale on ebay doesn't faze them much. Either the way, I hope the ABB is aware of what everyone here has been doing to stop illegimate sales of shows and preserve the free trading of music we have here.
 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 08:21 AM
The band(mgmnt) is aware of bootlegs on ebay. There are people who watch out for them. They have the authority to nix any auction on the spot, that they see fit to terminate.

This needs to be done on a daily basis. It also is normally performed by some people who are very important within the mgmnt. team. Unfortunately, they do not get to all of them. They are appreciative of the concerns that we have about such auctions.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 08:27 AM
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Either the way, I hope the ABB is aware of what everyone here has been doing to stop illegimate sales of shows and preserve the free trading of music we have here.


I hope so too and furthermore I hope that people here understand that selling these shows is illeagle unless you personlly have the bands permission. Selling CDR's on Ebay is against the rules and hopefully the people in this community can respect the policies unitl we are made ware of new or different policies.

I want to keep trading, i want the tapers to keep taping and I will be mad if one or a few bad eggs (or even a Corporate Conglomeration for that matter) screws that up.

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 09:53 AM
First of all, if she was legit, then she would know better than to sell the stuff on Ebay. Secondly, what's to say she didn't just look up that name off of the albums? Seriously, I could tell everyone I was Lowell George. Doesn't make it so. Maybe someone ought to check with Rowland. I'm sure if she is tellling the truth, Rowland would certainly have heard of her. Personally, I say she is full of sh*t.

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 10:01 AM
I'd tend to agree with onewayout on this....I can't imagine the band is OK with the ebay auctions....

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 10:04 AM
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I work with the band!


Ok, that's present tense. So I guess she doesn't REALLY need a job.

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Don't have Mycology? Look at any of their epic releases since Shades of Two
Worlds, and you will find my name in the credits and thank yous.
Yes they sell it on their website, but it is not available in stores
anywhere.



I don't have Mycology but I did see her name (IF that is really her) on the other Epic releases she describes...along with about a dozen other people from the record company. Would the band let all of these other people sell CDRs on Ebay? I dunno. What bootleg was she selling that's available on the website? If the band has really given her permission to sell this on Ebay, maybe we should all buy it from Nadine and not from this website, right?

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 10:04 AM
I wrote her back and said that if she would get a certain person within the organization to call me and confirm this then I would pay her double the $$$$......Still waiting on her response..

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 10:11 AM
wow. strange stuff going on.

i think that if the band supported her selling sutff on ebay, we would have recieved some sort of indication by now with all the threads and posts going on about it.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 10:27 AM
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I wrote her back and said that if she would get a certain person within the organization to call me and confirm this then I would pay her double the $$$$......Still waiting on her response..


I'd be VERY surprised if you got a call

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 10:29 AM
She's got it for sale again....Somebody go buy it and pay her like I did....

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 10:39 AM
I would bid but I already e-mailed a question to her so i will certainly be blocked.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 10:40 AM
hey clay! you have AOL - look up her user profile....

i only have the instant messanger from AOL but i can see she is online right now.

add Meoozik to you buddy list

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 11:28 AM
I got a response...

Hi Jim,
Are you a friend of the other person (Pellandfour) ?
As I said, I'm a friend of the band, and have been for the past 13 years
actually.
I consider them family. I don't sell anything else of the bands. After I
got laid off from Epic Records - almost a year ago, I started doing ebay full
time to make money. Mostly, I sell antiques, and other collectible stuff.
Members of the band and their management call me often, and are interested in what
I do. They were concerned that I might not make enough $, and offered to
help me out - even in this small way. (Every little bit helps)
They do sell this record on their website, but have allowed me to sell it on
ebay. They would not allow anyone else to do the same. They are doing this
because of my relationship with them.
They do welcome others "looking out" for them. If you see suspicious "stuff"
online, then please let me know, and I will forward your email to their
manager Bert.
He has assured me that he would have it pulled off of ebay. Like people that
have taped their live shows, that should be trading...but instead are
selling. That's not cool.
I guess I'll tell you now, but they have put together another one of these
"University" cds. Like a part 2, which will be available very shortly.
I have added the line "that I have been authorized by the band and their
management"...
in my auction, which I hope makes people realize that I am not one of those
hawks out there.
Again, the management would be very appreciative of any information about any
illegal sales of their music out there, so please do let me know, and I
promise I will take care of it for you.
Thank you for your email,
Nadine
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Sounds legit at first but how close can she be so close to the band and have such little information on the 2nd Archive release (AU Part II Hmmm?) that is ABOUT to be released?

Don't know but I'm guessing Clay doesn't get his call.





[Edited on 8/5/2003 by KCJimmy]

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 11:55 AM
I'll be at the Philly show tonight...I have a ticket and I'll be doing Rock and Wrap it Up as well. I just talked to the caterer, so I'll be backstage for a short while. Bert and the band are big RAWIU supporters and I met him (and Warren) at the benefit in June where the ABB received an award for their support. IF I get the chance to talk to Bert for more than 2 seconds (usually kinda doubtful) I'll bring up Nadine's name. Her second e-mail sounds a bit more sincere, but I still have a hard time believing the band would pick and choose who gets to sell bootlegs on Ebay.

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 12:19 PM
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I got a response...

Hi Jim,
Are you a friend of the other person (Pellandfour) ?
As I said, I'm a friend of the band, and have been for the past 13 years
actually.
I consider them family. I don't sell anything else of the bands. After I
got laid off from Epic Records - almost a year ago, I started doing ebay full
time to make money. Mostly, I sell antiques, and other collectible stuff.
Members of the band and their management call me often, and are interested in what
I do. They were concerned that I might not make enough $, and offered to
help me out - even in this small way. (Every little bit helps)
They do sell this record on their website, but have allowed me to sell it on
ebay. They would not allow anyone else to do the same. They are doing this
because of my relationship with them.
They do welcome others "looking out" for them. If you see suspicious "stuff"
online, then please let me know, and I will forward your email to their
manager Bert.
He has assured me that he would have it pulled off of ebay. Like people that
have taped their live shows, that should be trading...but instead are
selling. That's not cool.
I guess I'll tell you now, but they have put together another one of these
"University" cds. Like a part 2, which will be available very shortly.
I have added the line "that I have been authorized by the band and their
management"...
in my auction, which I hope makes people realize that I am not one of those
hawks out there.
Again, the management would be very appreciative of any information about any
illegal sales of their music out there, so please do let me know, and I
promise I will take care of it for you.
Thank you for your email,
Nadine
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Sounds legit at first but how close can she be so close to the band and have such little information on the 2nd Archive release (AU Part II Hmmm?) that is ABOUT to be released?

Don't know but I'm guessing Clay doesn't get his call.





[Edited on 8/5/2003 by KCJimmy]

I am supposed to be getting a call from the band management tomorrow at noonish telling me that this in fact is O.K. by them for her to sell....

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 12:23 PM
On the original thread about eBay and bootlegs, I said I e-mailed Nadine and talked to her and she said she was a friend of the band and knows them first hand..

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 12:50 PM
The only thing I want to know is, if what she says is true and I hope it is, It seems to me she would be the perfect watchdog for all this sh*t.

She does ebay full-time, why doesn't she ask the band if she could have the authority to cancel out all the boot sales. Makes perfect sense. Obviously the band can't keep after all of them, that's where we come in.

I nominate her for the job right now, and the rest of us can go back to trading music!

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 01:08 PM
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The only thing I want to know is, if what she says is true and I hope it is, It seems to me she would be the perfect watchdog for all this sh*t.

She does ebay full-time, why doesn't she ask the band if she could have the authority to cancel out all the boot sales. Makes perfect sense. Obviously the band can't keep after all of them, that's where we come in.

I nominate her for the job right now, and the rest of us can go back to trading music!



Boy Imagine how that might drive the price up on her auctions! There could be some Bill Gates/Anti Trust goings on at that point! Of course people could just got to KGE and buy it there. Wow!

So if she is legit do we still hassle the others or leave it alone?

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 01:16 PM
As I said in the other thread, If you foward the auctions to Nadine, she will try and help us crack down..

 

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  posted on 8/5/2003 at 01:27 PM
Well the truth be known here, I am in the wrong! I honestly did'nt know that it is perfectly o.k. to sell commercially released items on ebay. I thought it was only o.k. to sell out of print items on ebay. But this is not true and Nadine has every right to sell the shows without any problems what so ever. Sad but true!

 

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