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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 07:24 PM

As promised, I said I would post a thread if I was wrong. I guess it was foolish to jump on the bandwagon on the strength of one speech. As it turned out, she was clearly unqualified and turned out to be a drag on the ticket.

Won't be the last thing I do dumb. Take your shots.

Sorry. I was wrong.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 07:31 PM
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No shots from me. The shots should be taken at those who were responsible for the fact that she was on the ticket. I wonder how much input McCain really had on that?
Ditto this. No shots to be taken but I'm curious about the thought process that went behind the decision (who and why).

[Edited on 11/6/2008 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 07:40 PM
NPR had reported that Rick Davis was behind the decision. McCain wanted somebody more well-known and established, but was talked out of it. They didn't think there was much of a chance to win the election anyway, and Davis convinced him to "throw deep" or spend the rest of his life wondering what if. It was a risky move that they became convinced had to be taken.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 07:43 PM
It's easy to be impressed by someone, and find out later they aren't what they seemed to be.

No shots from me.

Did you hear how she answered a question about her being a drag on the ticket it wasn't her fault John McCain lost his race? She has separated herself from him "on day one."

[Edited on 11/6/2008 by SantaCruzBluz]

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 07:48 PM
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As promised, I said I would post a thread if I was wrong. I guess it was foolish to jump on the bandwagon on the strength of one speech. As it turned out, she was clearly unqualified and turned out to be a drag on the ticket.

Won't be the last thing I do dumb. Take your shots.

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 07:55 PM
No shots. Unless they be whiskey.

She is something else, that Palin. I wonder if she will have any influence going forward. She mobilized swing voters and independents far more than republicans other than the base.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 08:02 PM
No shots from me either. I know I learned a lot about myself during this election....no way I'd point fingers at anyone else.....well, maybe Bush....butprobably only one finger.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 08:31 PM
I don't think one person posting in this thread gave her a fair shake you based 90% of everything you learned about her from the media,and that in it's self says alot, to everyone who has given her a fair shake knows she is a genuine person who cares very much for this country. But you did not give her a chance instead you listened to BS from a one sided media.... and still you can not quit talking about her....

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 08:41 PM
When Ted Stevens is forced to resign she will be in the position to appoint the next Alaskan Senator. Say hello to Senator Palin.

[Edited on 11/6/2008 by lespaul58]

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 08:42 PM
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Sarah seems to still have a somewhat high opinion of herself though. And she is loved by many of the Republican fan base. Some will want her to run for president in 2012 but such a run would surely tank quickly. Nice enough lady though.


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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 08:43 PM
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I don't think one person posting in this thread gave her a fair shake you based 90% of everything you learned about her from the media,and that in it's self says alot, to everyone who has given her a fair shake knows she is a genuine person who cares very much for this country. But you did not give her a chance instead you listened to BS from a one sided media.... and still you can not quit talking about her....


Probably 90% of what I learned about her came out of her own pie hole. I won't say she doesn't care for her country, because I am sure she does, but don't go falling into the trap of blaming the media. She got in over her head. Maybe she'll learn from her mistakes and come back more ready for the challenge of being on the national stage. Good luck to her.

 
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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 08:58 PM
Palin garnered my disdain when she accepted the position on the ticket and then tried to convince the public she was qualified for the position. I'm not saying she wouldn't have been a good choice later in her career but I don't respect people who tend to over estimate their importance. She could have just said 'no'. As Dirty Harry said....'Man's gotta know his limitations.'

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 09:10 PM
Show me a man who has never made a mistake, and I'll show you someone who has never done anything. I thought her convention speech was magnificent too, not in line with my politics, but very ably delivered.

It has pained me to see both McCain and Palin made out as some evil entities by some on my side of the race. Such earlier behavior from the Roves of the world equally disgusted me. As to Palin, while her politics are nearly the polar opposite from mine, she is entitled to her opinions.

For the GOP to blame her for the loss is to blame her for existing. The presumably seasoned advisors for McCain and the Senator himself chose her. They made the conscious choice to pick an everywoman, and they got what they bargained for. She did what was asked of her, except for a couple of late rogue moves that by then did not affect the outcome.

Sure she was unqualified, and McCain gave up the experience position in so choosing. But it was his error, not hers(all those beauty contests probably gave her an inflated view of herself, so no blame for her to accept the choice). She is probably alot like many of the mothers/wives in my town, politically right wing, yet still decent enough people, but also not in any way prepared to be President.

I don't see a national future for Palin, but as a Democrat, I hope the GOP ignores my advice! Bobby Jindal looks like a much better new face for the GOP. But his name is foreign(his first name ain't Bobby!), so maybe the faithful will reject him for that alone.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 09:11 PM
too bad she didnt come clean about her foreign policy experience. " I dont have any, but like energy, I am a quick learner". that bs about seeing russia was timeless. it only made sense to the same people who thought Obama was an Arab and therefore a bad man.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 09:15 PM
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Show me a man who has never made a mistake, and I'll show you someone who has never done anything. I thought her convention speech was magnificent too, not in line with my politics, but very ably delivered.

It has pained me to see both McCain and Palin made out as some evil entities by some on my side of the race. Such earlier behavior from the Roves of the world equally disgusted me. As to Palin, while her politics are nearly the polar opposite from mine, she is entitled to her opinions.

For the GOP to blame her for the loss is to blame her for existing. The presumably seasoned advisors for McCain and the Senator himself chose her. They made the conscious choice to pick an everywoman, and they got what they bargained for. She did what was asked of her, except for a couple of late rogue moves that by then did not affect the outcome.

Sure she was unqualified, and McCain gave up the experience position in so choosing. But it was his error, not hers(all those beauty contests probably gave her an inflated view of herself, so no blame for her to accept the choice). She is probably alot like many of the mothers/wives in my town, politically right wing, yet still decent enough people, but also not in any way prepared to be President.

I don't see a national future for Palin, but as a Democrat, I hope the GOP ignores my advice! Bobby Jindal looks like a much better new face for the GOP. But his name is foreign(his first name ain't Bobby!), so maybe the faithful will reject him for that alone.


all true...but she didn't help the ticket.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 09:37 PM
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Palin garnered my disdain when she accepted the position on the ticket and then tried to convince the public she was qualified for the position. I'm not saying she wouldn't have been a good choice later in her career but I don't respect people who tend to over estimate their importance. She could have just said 'no'. As Dirty Harry said....'Man's gotta know his limitations.'


I will say this ONE MORE TIME! show me how Obama is more experienced than palin what? has he ever goverened answer NOTHING! Palin if she is not qualified then Obama is not qualified either . because she was not on your ticket because she did not say what YOU wanted to hear she is wrong... lol please ANN you are way smarter than this the media looked for every way possible to make her look bad simply because she was popular and on the wrong side it is my story and i am sticking to it!.. at least i can identify with a person like her and have some things in common with her i have NOTHING in common with a law student from Chicago who got into the senate and has never hunted, never gone out and cut wood to heat his house he is a city boy, regardless i will support him as i would have Mccain fully... but the bashing Palin has to stop the game is over..

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 09:46 PM
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a law student from Chicago and has never hunted, never gone out and cut wood to heat his house he is a city boy


But I can identify with these traits(exactly), so where does that leave us?

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 09:50 PM
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Show me a man who has never made a mistake, and I'll show you someone who has never done anything. I thought her convention speech was magnificent too, not in line with my politics, but very ably delivered.

It has pained me to see both McCain and Palin made out as some evil entities by some on my side of the race. Such earlier behavior from the Roves of the world equally disgusted me. As to Palin, while her politics are nearly the polar opposite from mine, she is entitled to her opinions.

For the GOP to blame her for the loss is to blame her for existing. The presumably seasoned advisors for McCain and the Senator himself chose her. They made the conscious choice to pick an everywoman, and they got what they bargained for. She did what was asked of her, except for a couple of late rogue moves that by then did not affect the outcome.

Sure she was unqualified, and McCain gave up the experience position in so choosing. But it was his error, not hers(all those beauty contests probably gave her an inflated view of herself, so no blame for her to accept the choice). She is probably alot like many of the mothers/wives in my town, politically right wing, yet still decent enough people, but also not in any way prepared to be President.

I don't see a national future for Palin, but as a Democrat, I hope the GOP ignores my advice! Bobby Jindal looks like a much better new face for the GOP. But his name is foreign(his first name ain't Bobby!), so maybe the faithful will reject him for that alone.


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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 09:55 PM
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As promised, I said I would post a thread if I was wrong. I guess it was foolish to jump on the bandwagon on the strength of one speech. As it turned out, she was clearly unqualified and turned out to be a drag on the ticket.

Won't be the last thing I do dumb. Take your shots.

Sorry. I was wrong.


I vaguely remember reading something to this effect posted by someone, somewhere, sometime, but surely it would have been forgotten. I think it is awesome that you posted this and "manned up" on your promise. Others here could learn from your honesty.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 09:56 PM
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As promised, I said I would post a thread if I was wrong. I guess it was foolish to jump on the bandwagon on the strength of one speech. As it turned out, she was clearly unqualified and turned out to be a drag on the ticket.

Won't be the last thing I do dumb. Take your shots.

Sorry. I was wrong.




I heard an interesting thing from Juan Williams this morning on NPR on the way to work. He said the statistics indicated a lot of moderate white female Republicans crossed over to vote for Obama and a smaller percentage of moderate Republican males because the more they learned about Palin the more turned off they got. His contention was McCain lost the moderate Republicans and perhaps he would have had a better chance had he picked a moderate Republican running mate and held on to the moderates . He also said the Evangelicals and Neocons were never going to vote for Obama anyway so what exactly was the point of picking a very green Neocon Evangelical.

[Edited on 11/6/2008 by Peachypetewi]

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 10:04 PM
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I don't think one person posting in this thread gave her a fair shake you based 90% of everything you learned about her from the media,and that in it's self says alot, to everyone who has given her a fair shake knows she is a genuine person who cares very much for this country. But you did not give her a chance instead you listened to BS from a one sided media.... and still you can not quit talking about her....
nobody was really able to give her a "fair shake"... pretty much the whole country only knows her from this election. After they announced her she was basically sequestered for a few weeks. There was very little possibility of her being vetted properly. And I think most people would rather assume (say what you will about assumptions) a person is not qualified till they have had more time and history knowing the person, especially for the VP of the US . It just seems like a poor decision regardless of whether she was qualified or not.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 10:15 PM
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I don't think one person posting in this thread gave her a fair shake you based 90% of everything you learned about her from the media,and that in it's self says alot, to everyone who has given her a fair shake knows she is a genuine person who cares very much for this country. But you did not give her a chance instead you listened to BS from a one sided media.... and still you can not quit talking about her....


BS! Is watching her try in vain to name a newspaper something I got from the media? Or hearing the hateful rederic at her rallies? Now you'll say yes because I saw it onTV! What chance was I supposed to give her? To go back to school?

 

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I don't think one person posting in this thread gave her a fair shake you based 90% of everything you learned about her from the media,and that in it's self says alot, to everyone who has given her a fair shake knows she is a genuine person who cares very much for this country. But you did not give her a chance instead you listened to BS from a one sided media.... and still you can not quit talking about her....


Probably 90% of what I learned about her came out of her own pie hole. I won't say she doesn't care for her country, because I am sure she does, but don't go falling into the trap of blaming the media. She got in over her head. Maybe she'll learn from her mistakes and come back more ready for the challenge of being on the national stage. Good luck to her.


I'm with Terri.

Most of what I learned about her came from the few interviews she did, and they showed she was in way over her head.

Big time.

The "evil media" only showed her lies for what they were.

 

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I don't think one person posting in this thread gave her a fair shake you based 90% of everything you learned about her from the media,and that in it's self says alot, to everyone who has given her a fair shake knows she is a genuine person who cares very much for this country. But you did not give her a chance instead you listened to BS from a one sided media.... and still you can not quit talking about her....


BS! Is watching her try in vain to name a newspaper something I got from the media? Or hearing the hateful rederic at her rallies? Now you'll say yes because I saw it onTV! What chance was I supposed to give her? To go back to school?


Agreed. This person wanted to run for VP, but we aren't supposed to learn about her? Most of what we heard about her came from her own lips. She sunk herself.


double agreed. Definitely a bad choice. What was McCain thinking? It pushed younger and female voters even further away.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 10:50 PM
The "Evil Media" which includes Bill O' Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al, ran a piece about Palin on the O' Reilly Factor tonight that portayed Palin as being completely uncoachable, refusing to be prepped before the Katie Couriic interview, and then blaming subordinates for her abysmal performance, while at the same time refusing to take responsibility for same; having her sycophants put clothing purchases on their own credit cards above the $150K allocated by the RNP (for which they were reportedly reimbursed) and practically having no direct communcation with McCain by the end of the campaign.

This by an arm of the RIGHT-wing media.....

 

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