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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 10:39 PM
Ok, it's no surprise to my fellow WP denizens that I'm not an Obama fan. For the record; I'm not a McCain fan either.

But watching the BO commercial tonight, I was struck by the almost complete absence of personal references for Barrack prior to his time in the IL state senate. Has anyone ever seen a campaign for president where there are no individuals willing to come forward and offer themselves as personal references for the candidate's history?

Why no early school pals?

Why no one who went to college with him?

Why no one who served with him on the Harvard Law Review?

Why no one who's worked with him before he was in office?

Why no one who worked with him as a community organizer?

Why no one with a positive story about Obama helping them as a community organizer?


I've never seen a campaign for president that didn't contain some of this. Have you? Don't you find it a bit odd that no one from his former life is standing up to vouch for him and be a personal reference and testiment to his history?

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 10:41 PM
First of all he's trying to tell the country he's got a plan for his administration, that trumps school pals. Second, if you haven't seen all of the people you listed already talking about him, you're not watching the same shows I've seen. They've been all over the place.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 10:59 PM
I've seen extensive coverage on most of this as well. To be honest while you don't like McCain your posts here lean very much in his favor. Your discussion about liberals, about Obama and about people on government assistance also draw very heavily on steroetypes and much less on speciifcs. I am probably guilty of the same about conservatives. And even though I try and give conservatives a listen it's probably not done with a very open mind.

So the question is how much have you focused on Obama new's coverage?

Here is an article about Obama's tenure as President of the Harvard Law Review.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11257.html


 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:11 PM
How dare you bring these questions up!

You are obviously an unelightened person. Report immediately to the nearest ReEducation Camp. Uncle Adolph, uh, I mean Benevolent Leader Barack has ordained it so.

Now please redistrubute the Halloween candy that your children worked for the those that didn't.

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:13 PM
I detect a little frustration and desperation in some of the posts by conservatives lately.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:19 PM
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Why no early school pals?




For what its worth I saw a program on PBS a few months ago that visited his elementary school in Indonesea. Thats where he got the nickname " Barry". It didn't appear this was a radical muslim school where they beat the law af radical Islam into their tender impressionable young minds and teach them how to make homicide bomber vests. I think he learned to read, write and do mathematics there. Maybe play a little soccer and hopscotch also.

They had several "pals" from this school and they all wished him well and yaddah yaddah.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:22 PM
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How dare you bring these questions up!

You are obviously an unelightened person. Report immediately to the nearest ReEducation Camp. Uncle Adolph, uh, I mean Benevolent Leader Barack has ordained it so.

Now please redistrubute the Halloween candy that your children worked for the those that didn't.

"Spread the Wealth" Baby!!!



I hope at some point, someone spreads the intelligence enough to where you get a little. Its sad to see so many people acting like idiots. Its one thing to have an opinion, but its something else entirely to be so patently wrong on their take of a person and their platform. Hopefully, its going to be a lonnnnnnng 8 years for you guys.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:24 PM
Interestingly, we have this thread "wondering" about these important parts of Obamas life, yet, Fuji, easily one of the more intelligent posters here, is puzzled about things that practically everyone else knows about. Fuji, that should tell you that you are getting a very one sided view of things with regard to Obama.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:35 PM
Not really frustration Ann, I think he's gonna win. I'm not trying to mount my own little campaign to stop that.

It just stuck out for me that in a 30 minute Obama feature earlire tonight, not a single person is referenced that knew him before about 10 years ago. The man is what - 47 - and no one has a story about this guy that's campaign worthy prior to 10 years ago?

Swifty - thanks for the link to that article. It at least references something of his past.

As to focusing on BO's coverage, I guess the easy answer is: how can one avoid it? But you're probably right, I haven't done deep research.

I've just never seen a guy run for the presidency where the campaign focused on such a shallow portion of the candidate's history. I not knocking the lack of experience thing. I'm just talking about some positive personal history. I mean; not even a family friend seems to have made the cut to tell BO's back story. I just find it odd.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:43 PM
I would imagine there was only so much that could be told in a 30 minute spot and the campaign thought it was best to focus on what he can do for the country. That seems to be what everyone has been asking about. Given another 30 minutes we might have gotten more of the personal information included. Come to think of it, I haven't seen very many of McCain's childhood friends coming out to speak on his behalf either.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 06:01 AM
You don't come up through the ranks of the Chicago Cook County Democratic organization with absolutely no support from Mayor Daley without being tough and saavy. You don't beat the Clinton organization without being tough and saavy. I strongly doubt any world leader will stomp him. McCain on the other hand with his long history of erratic behavior and bad temperment would have us in a third and fourth war since he seems to favor the brute force method in just about everything he does.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 06:08 AM
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How dare you bring these questions up!

You are obviously an unelightened person. Report immediately to the nearest ReEducation Camp. Uncle Adolph, uh, I mean Benevolent Leader Barack has ordained it so.

Now please redistrubute the Halloween candy that your children worked for the those that didn't.

"Spread the Wealth" Baby!!!



I hope at some point, someone spreads the intelligence enough to where you get a little. Its sad to see so many people acting like idiots. Its one thing to have an opinion, but its something else entirely to be so patently wrong on their take of a person and their platform. Hopefully, its going to be a lonnnnnnng 8 years for you guys.


St, just because you choose to believe what Obama has to say does not mean that we are not as enlightened as the believers, we just see things differently.
Are we wrong? He's a politician, this is a campaign about power, time will tell, until then please refrain from judging those who you judge for their beliefs.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 07:01 AM
If Obama is a socialist or a communist, then the ABB play disco. To keep on with that talking point is about as dishonest as one can possibly get. There is an actual Socialist party in this country, with a presidential candidate. That guy says Obama, and the Dems, are capitalists. It is red baiting and I thought the rogues who posted here were way too enlightened to engage in such reprehensible behavior. Seems a lot of the country is back in the McCarthy era now. It begs the question: do right wingers want to regress to the 1950s or move forward into the 21st century? Just how terrible do the conditions of this country have to get before people abandon the politics of divisiveness and hate?

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 07:14 AM
If you're looking for personal references, go to PBS.org and watch last Sundays edition of "Frontline." Included in the episode about both McCain and Obama are personal stories about both candidates provided by those who've known the candidates for many years. On the Obama side there are a few individuals discussing Obama's arrival at Harvard, his subsequent election as Chief Editor of the Harvard Review (including some of the resentment some black students felt for him due to not appointing black students to the board, but instead more from the white conservative groups on campus) his climb up the ladder in the very tough Chicago political landscape, his time in the Illinois State House, and his brief time in the Senate. This Frontline episode is very interesting to say the least if your curious about the early years of both candidates.

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Ok, it's no surprise to my fellow WP denizens that I'm not an Obama fan. For the record; I'm not a McCain fan either.

But watching the BO commercial tonight, I was struck by the almost complete absence of personal references for Barrack prior to his time in the IL state senate. Has anyone ever seen a campaign for president where there are no individuals willing to come forward and offer themselves as personal references for the candidate's history?

Why no early school pals?

Why no one who went to college with him?

Why no one who served with him on the Harvard Law Review?

Why no one who's worked with him before he was in office?

Why no one who worked with him as a community organizer?

Why no one with a positive story about Obama helping them as a community organizer?


I've never seen a campaign for president that didn't contain some of this. Have you? Don't you find it a bit odd that no one from his former life is standing up to vouch for him and be a personal reference and testiment to his history?


I hadn't noticed this. In fact, now that I think about it, I don't recall seeing anything like this about McCain, nor do I recall it being significant in previous presidential elections at least coming from the campaigns themselves. Maybe it was there and I just don't remember it (speaks to how important it is, at least in my view). But as other have pointed out, it is out there if you want to go look for it.

Googling "obama school friends" returns a bunch of links, some flattering and some not so flattering...consider the source of each and believe what you want.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 08:50 AM
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How dare you bring these questions up!

You are obviously an unelightened person. Report immediately to the nearest ReEducation Camp. Uncle Adolph, uh, I mean Benevolent Leader Barack has ordained it so.

Now please redistrubute the Halloween candy that your children worked for the those that didn't.

"Spread the Wealth" Baby!!!



I hope at some point, someone spreads the intelligence enough to where you get a little. Its sad to see so many people acting like idiots. Its one thing to have an opinion, but its something else entirely to be so patently wrong on their take of a person and their platform. Hopefully, its going to be a lonnnnnnng 8 years for you guys.


St, just because you choose to believe what Obama has to say does not mean that we are not as enlightened as the believers, we just see things differently.
Are we wrong? He's a politician, this is a campaign about power, time will tell, until then please refrain from judging those who you judge for their beliefs.


I hear what you are saying Dutch, but my commentary was directed more at the people who simply refuse to open their eyes to the piles and piles of information on Obama. They prefer to simply wish it away and not give it any consideration, favoring instead to listen to the RW blowhards who have been horribly wrong and biased for years, to steer them in a good direction. Its simply sad.

Ill never begrudge anyone that votes the way they want, but the sheer ignorance and willful abandonment of any logic is something I cant forgive or excuse.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 09:10 AM
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...but the sheer ignorance and willful abandonment of any logic is something I cant forgive or excuse.


You just described the vast majority of voters in this country.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 09:38 AM
Squatch; you may well be right that this particular issue is a RW talking point and thus a sensitive topic. I was just responding to a thought I had while watching the presentation last night, given that we've seen a couple such presentations on him now.

I've just never seen a run for the presidency before where individuals who could help connect that person to some backstory were not some small part of the fabric being touted about the candidates' life. McCain's backstory obviously has to do with Annapolis and Vietnam, and we've seen and heard from people who knew him then. Barrack is a lot younger, but yet no one seems to deemed worthy enough by his campaign to use as a reference in this regard.

I'm not saying it's bad or good - just different. Then again, the man himself has said he's a different kind of candidate, so maybe we just take him at his word. We'll see what and if that means anything should he get the job.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 10:18 AM
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Hopefully, its going to be a lonnnnnnng 8 years for you guys.
ST, this is one of the most childish, immature lines I've seen from your keyboard, and that's saying a lot. Pre-gloating (the only term I can think of) belongs on the schoolyard playground, not in a discussion forum among adults. This says more about your character than you realize.

Unfortunately, I think that if Obama is elected, it'll be a long painful eight years for nearly everyone in the country. As I've said before, I disagree with (spit on) his views on abortion, meeting with world "leaders" with no pre-conditions, income redistribution (like it or not, deny it or not, believe it or not, this is a socialistic concept), and a raft of other issues.

Oct. 11 you managed to squeeze a good number of lies into a short paragraph, again revealing more of your character than you thought (I should've said something at the time, I suppose, but I procrastinate -- a character flaw on my part ):

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Because as I have mentioned before, Bill has a nasty side to him
This is lie #1. If you know so much about me, demonstrate the "nasty side" as a basic part of me. All you know of me is what you read here, and that's a sliver. Check my postings in the whole set of forums. Then please don't lie about me any more.
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and this is way of gently stirring the pot to see who reacts.
Lie #2. I'm not responsible for the way others react. I post to provide information, to see what other people think. In face-to-face interactions, people do this all the time to compare ideas, perspectives, philosophies. As I've mentioned in other postings, I've had conversations with others in which we disagreed without calling each other liars or accusing each other of stirring up the pot.
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He knew that posting a crap like that would get a rise out of some folks here.
Lie #3, by misdirection. While I'm aware that mentioning something will stir up reactions, I don't factor this into whether I bring up something that may lead to strong responses. Is this wrong, or just something that Squatch doesn't like? It doesn't matter to me. If you grew up a little, you might be able to handle it better. Emotional discussions are legitimate.
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Thankfully, most of us arent so dense that we dont see the hate that comes from the Right in waves. McCain embodies it.
Lie #4. Give me particulars about the "hate" you claim to recognize. Disagreeing strongly isn't hate, it's disagreeing strongly. You'd do well to recognize this reality.
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These folks are desperate, Bhawk.
Lie #5. How do you know this about so many people? Are you some kind of god?

I still don't know why you come across as so belligerent with people you don't agree with. Are you generally angry, you just have a short fuse, or are you as intolerant as most liberals? No matter what, I still feel sorry for you. You sound like a world-class curmudgeon. (My subjective take.)

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 10:21 AM
"Why No Obama Personal References?"

They might give us a glimpse as to who the REAL BarryO is and we can't have that, now can we?

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 10:25 AM
Right, he is a communistic, socialist, godless, terroristic red. Did I miss anything?

 

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I thought Fuji's OP was simply referring to the lack of knowledge about Obama's past. I see now it had another part related to the television infomercial last night. I don't think the intent of the infomercial was to be biographic but thematic. Obama's campaign points were related to people with specific problems who could illustrate his policies.

The information about Obama's early years is easy to find. Just Google it. Republicans in this campaign only seem interested in the sensational elements of Obama's life. As a result the ordinary is boring and not looked at. Not sure how to explain the mystery of why they can't find it.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=F1C46FDE-3048-5C12-00ED1702A906 DC5F

 

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Right, he is a communistic, socialist, godless, terroristic red. Did I miss anything?


Is he? How could we possibly know? Nobody's talking.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 12:01 PM
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Right, he is a communistic, socialist, godless, terroristic red. Did I miss anything?


Is he? How could we possibly know? Nobody's talking.
Then why do you feel the need to brand his supporters as Marxists?

 

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Right, he is a communistic, socialist, godless, terroristic red. Did I miss anything?


Is he? How could we possibly know? Nobody's talking.
Then why do you feel the need to brand his supporters as Marxists?



I don't brand his supporters as Marxist. I simply consider them naive or spiteful voting on emotion alone. Several BarryO supporters here have admitted as much just today. I've not called BarryO a Marxist either but I HAVE pointed out how many of his stated positions bear a striking resemblance to the tenets of Marxism.

 

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