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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 08:32 AM
I recently bought on CD the PET SOUNDS album. I know its reputation as a classic album, and I do like the songs. However upon reading the liner notes I was appalled to discover that this wasn't really a Beach Boys album at all.

Brian Wilson brought in session musicians (The Wrecking Crew), and Dennis, Carl, & Al didn't even play on it!! I know the production was great but it's more of a Brian Wilson solo "ego trip" more than a Beach Boys album. For that I feel that the entire album is a sham, as anyone can bring in outside musicians to make things "better." Of course the Beatles did this with SGT PEPPER but at least all the Beatles contributed genuine musical sounds and ideas to the record.

Anyone else who feel that PET SOUNDS is overrated?


[Edited on 10/29/2008 by BarrySmith]

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 08:40 AM
Well, the rest of the band may not have played on all the tracks, but they did all the singing.

I think that's what puts this album up on the pedestal anyway, is the arrangements and the
vocal harmonies.

Whether it had any actual playing by the group, I'm not sure matters as back in the
60's session musicians were used on singles with just the vocalist on the song instead
of the full band.

Plus, it pushed the Beatles into making Sgt Pepper what it would become.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 08:41 AM
No, I do not think it is "overrated" at all. I think that release produced at least 5 or 6 single hits. The other band members did contribute to the writing of the lp, even though it was mostly Brian's brainchild, it was loosly a group effort. I always though the Bboys were more of a vocal group that a performing group, so I really have no criticism with the use of session men. paul McCartney stated that this was one of if not his favorite album, and sad "God only knows" was his favorite song. I thnik thats a pretty strong endorsement!!

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 08:44 AM
I was only 10 when it came out. So being that young I can't really say what was different that made it so big of a release. I do like some of the songs.


But the folks that were older during it's release would really know.

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 09:11 AM
Brian Wilson preceded the Beatles in taking the music up several notches by using session players and a string section. Listen to "Sgt. Peppers" again. With the exception of a couple of tunes, that's not really a Beatles album, either. Like "Pet Sounds", it is one of rock and roll's masterpieces.

Personally, when it comes to rock music I like the stripped down sound of a core band - guitars, bass, drums, keys. But "Pet sounds" was one of the first records that employed this over the top (pompous, maybe even) approach.

I think "Pet Sounds" will be one of the recordings that gets re-visited through history.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 09:17 AM
I don't think it is overrated at all, regardless of who played what. It is a classic. God Only Knows, what a great song.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 10:41 AM
Nope. I think there is such a richness of sound on this and the vocals bring tears to my eyes - they are just so beautiful. God Only Knows might be one of the most lovely vocal recordings of all time and I love Sloop John B, too.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:05 AM
If anything, I would say its underrated. Its one of the most personal statements ever recorded. Yes, its Brian Wilson's baby so to speak, but he wrote pretty much all their songs prior to that. Its only after the collapse of Smile that the other Beach Boys began to step up.

As for Sgt Pepper, I have never heard that the Beatles did not play their own respective instruments on it. They did bring in Ravi Shankar, horn sections and entire orchestras, but I believe they played drums and guitars themselves.

However, they did use session musicians on the White Album because by then they were at each others throats.


 

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If anything, I would say its underrated. Its one of the most personal statements ever recorded. Yes, its Brian Wilson's baby so to speak, but he wrote pretty much all their songs prior to that. Its only after the collapse of Smile that the other Beach Boys began to step up.

As for Sgt Pepper, I have never heard that the Beatles did not play their own respective instruments on it. They did bring in Ravi Shankar, horn sections and entire orchestras, but I believe they played drums and guitars themselves.

However, they did use session musicians on the White Album because by then they were at each others throats.




I hate being vague with sources, but I believe it was in one of George Martin's books. I'll dig it out later - but I think the two "Sgt. Pepper" theme songs (the intro and the reprise), "Gettng Better" and maybe "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" are the only tunes where the Fab 4 plays as a band. Most all the other songs feature ensemble (orchestra) playing.

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:19 AM
Never liked them.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:22 AM
No

It is brilliant

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:27 AM
never owned a single album from them.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:31 AM
They were never really about instrument mastery anyway ... even tho I
like Carl's Chuck Berry-copped solos. They were about harmony and rhythm
and songwriting ... this album sets a standard for just those things.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:38 AM
I think the Beach Boys are usually remembered as surf rockers, and Brian Wilson's brilliant Pet Sounds gets overlooked, so I'll say it's underrated, if anything.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 11:41 AM
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If anything, I would say its underrated. Its one of the most personal statements ever recorded. Yes, its Brian Wilson's baby so to speak, but he wrote pretty much all their songs prior to that. Its only after the collapse of Smile that the other Beach Boys began to step up.

As for Sgt Pepper, I have never heard that the Beatles did not play their own respective instruments on it. They did bring in Ravi Shankar, horn sections and entire orchestras, but I believe they played drums and guitars themselves.

However, they did use session musicians on the White Album because by then they were at each others throats.




I hate being vague with sources, but I believe it was in one of George Martin's books. I'll dig it out later - but I think the two "Sgt. Pepper" theme songs (the intro and the reprise), "Gettng Better" and maybe "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" are the only tunes where the Fab 4 plays as a band. Most all the other songs feature ensemble (orchestra) playing.

Sue me if I'm wrong!



No lawsuit needed.

I recently read Geoff Emerick's autobiography (he was an EMI Engineer) and he describes the Pepper sessions in great detail (he won a Grammy for it). No mention of them using other musicians for the basics at all. I also read a great deal about the group back in the day and have never head this. Certainly I could be wrong, but I would be interested in the source, so to speak.

I think you mean the White Album which is as much a Beatles album as the Ringo album is- all 4 just happen to play on it, but not in the same room.

 

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If anything, I would say its underrated. Its one of the most personal statements ever recorded. Yes, its Brian Wilson's baby so to speak, but he wrote pretty much all their songs prior to that. Its only after the collapse of Smile that the other Beach Boys began to step up.

As for Sgt Pepper, I have never heard that the Beatles did not play their own respective instruments on it. They did bring in Ravi Shankar, horn sections and entire orchestras, but I believe they played drums and guitars themselves.

However, they did use session musicians on the White Album because by then they were at each others throats.




I hate being vague with sources, but I believe it was in one of George Martin's books. I'll dig it out later - but I think the two "Sgt. Pepper" theme songs (the intro and the reprise), "Gettng Better" and maybe "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" are the only tunes where the Fab 4 plays as a band. Most all the other songs feature ensemble (orchestra) playing.

Sue me if I'm wrong!



No lawsuit needed.

I recently read Geoff Emerick's autobiography (he was an EMI Engineer) and he describes the Pepper sessions in great detail (he won a Grammy for it). No mention of them using other musicians for the basics at all. I also read a great deal about the group back in the day and have never head this. Certainly I could be wrong, but I would be interested in the source, so to speak.

I think you mean the White Album which is as much a Beatles album as the Ringo album is- all 4 just happen to play on it, but not in the same room.


That is a great book. Geoff was the real genius behind the unique sounds of Sgt. Pepper and Revolver.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 12:11 PM
I liked the Dewey Cox spoof on this ... Dewey (ala Brian)
in his bathrobe surrounded by hired-gun musicians ... the
rest of his "band" on the sideline complaining.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 04:57 PM
Well ,its a good Beach Boys record as pointed out here having a few hits on it and Paul McCartney was always nice enough to mention it and give it credit for inspiring the Beatles to turn it up a notch for the Sgt Pepper period, the reason it does get such a high rating imo. The BB made very good pop records thanks to BW efforts and anyone during that period respected it. Good Vibrations alone(although not on Pet Sounds) is one of the best Imo, single record recordings ever made.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 08:45 PM
No, sir.
 

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 09:20 PM
Absolutely NOT

One of my all time albums.
When I first heard it as a kid, I hated it
As I grew into my teens, I kind of related to it a lot more.

Brian is a freaking genius, IMHO

'Pushing" the Beatles along made it all that much better.

 

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Absolutely NOT

One of my all time albums.
When I first heard it as a kid, I hated it
As I grew into my teens, I kind of related to it a lot more.

Brian is a freaking genius, IMHO

'Pushing" the Beatles along made it all that much better.


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Absolutely NOT

One of my all time albums.
When I first heard it as a kid, I hated it
As I grew into my teens, I kind of related to it a lot more.

Brian is a freaking genius, IMHO

'Pushing" the Beatles along made it all that much better.


LMAO!! When I saw this thread today I said to myself, Chuck aint gonna like this


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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 09:47 PM
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Absolutely NOT

One of my all time albums.
When I first heard it as a kid, I hated it
As I grew into my teens, I kind of related to it a lot more.

Brian is a freaking genius, IMHO

'Pushing" the Beatles along made it all that much better.


LMAO!! When I saw this thread today I said to myself, Chuck aint gonna like this


Dave knows me too well

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  posted on 10/29/2008 at 10:31 PM
Got a confession to make.....I became a BB fan because the second hottest girl in Jr. High (according to my scale), and who I was going with at the time, dug 'em. She hated the Beatles btw.

I bought most of the BB's albums, from 'Surfer Girl' to 'Little Duece Coupe' to 'The Beach Boys Christmas Album' to 'Pet Sounds'. I never thought 'Pet Sounds' was a particularly good album. It had a few good tunes. 'Wouln't It Be Nice' was typical BB, but mainly written by Mike Love. Never cared for 'Sloop John B'. 'Good Vibrations' was ok (another Love colaboration). 'God Only Knows' starts out ok, but goes down to the Brian Wilson rabbit hole. My favorite is 'Caroline, No'. But to me, the rest is just "concept". It's more an experiment by Brian Wilson and Tony Asher than a Beach Boys effort. It's Brian Wilson dealing with his father issues.

IMO, the single 'Surfer Girl' had better harmonies than anything that 'Pet Sounds' produced.

But, then again, it's better than practically anything produced today.

 

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