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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 08:52 AM
Sad news .


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,444180,00.html



[Edited on 10/27/2008 by Haisija]

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 10:22 AM
This is sad indeed but also this is sad for happening in the first place a 8 year old has no business firing a fully automatic anything! with or without a instructor because if his finger can not release the trigger it goes out of control which is apparently what happened lucky he did not kill anyone else...

On another note this type of media is exactly what is wrong in this country here is a story about a gun mishap but where are the stories of someone who defended themselves with a gun or someone who won a gold medal with a gun?

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:00 AM
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This is sad indeed but also this is sad for happening in the first place a 8 year old has no business firing a fully automatic anything! with or without a instructor because if his finger can not release the trigger it goes out of control which is apparently what happened lucky he did not kill anyone else...

On another note this type of media is exactly what is wrong in this country here is a story about a gun mishap but where are the stories of someone who defended themselves with a gun or someone who won a gold medal with a gun?


I've read stories of homeowners and shopkeepers defending themselves. It just seems like these mishap stories come much more often, like 10 times more often. A gold medal result with a gun? I think those are posted with the all-important Pillsbury Bakeoff results.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:09 AM
An uzi is a bit much for an 8 year. they kick like sumbitch

sounds like a case of reckless endangerment to me.

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:14 AM
An 8 year old has no business with an Uzi in his grip - like Mike mentioned already ... they are not physically capable of controlling such a weapon. I have to wonder at the parents here - seems like a gross mistake on their part to enable their child to participate here. And as for the 'Instructor' label given this child... please.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:19 AM
My question is, why do we even need uzis ? Isn't a shotgun better for dove hunting ?
A 22 for squirrels. What is hunted with uzis ?

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:21 AM
But...but...if they ban uzi's.........

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:31 AM
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An 8 year old has no business with an Uzi in his grip - like Mike mentioned already ... they are not physically capable of controlling such a weapon. I have to wonder at the parents here - seems like a gross mistake on their part to enable their child to participate here. And as for the 'Instructor' label given this child... please.


Actually, the thread title isn't right. The child wasn't an instructor, he was with an instructor.


Whoops I just re-read, thank you. I shall change the title. I do not consider this harrasment for pointing out my mistake.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:32 AM
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But...but...if they ban uzi's.........



how with the survivalists shoot the FBI when they come storming in?

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:45 AM
Ya'll have some amount of respect for this kid and his family.

Start yourselves another thread to make fun of the 2nd Amendment.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:53 AM
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Ya'll have some amount of respect for this kid and his family.

Start yourselves another thread to make fun of the 2nd Amendment.


I doubt that his family will read this. The question about why anyone needs an Uzi is valid.


They're more fun than a paintball gun.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:55 AM
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Ya'll have some amount of respect for this kid and his family.

Start yourselves another thread to make fun of the 2nd Amendment.
Not trying to make fun of the 2nd amendment but does anybody else find it ironic that we require a person to be 16 (on an average) to drive a car, 21 to take a drink of liquor, but that an 8 year old is in a gun club shooting an UZI?

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 11:58 AM
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It wasn't a tournament, it was a private club.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 12:02 PM
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On another note this type of media is exactly what is wrong in this country here is a story about a gun mishap but where are the stories of someone who defended themselves with a gun or someone who won a gold medal with a gun?


This is the same argument we constantly hear from Pit Bull owners. A pit Bull attacks a child and either does serious damage or kills him/her. The lovers of this breed have an immediate problem when the article about this tragedy hits the news.

"Why does the media always report on a Pit Bull attack?.... Are people not aware that these dogs can be sweet and loving?"

THAT... is what is wrong with this country, selfish behavior.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"...Bullsh*t!!!... the gun certainly helped in this case.

"My Pit Bull would NEVER bite anyone, they must have provoked him"


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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 12:08 PM
The second amendmant was written when all they had was muskets, maybe it'd be different if they all had automatic weapons back then. Can you imagine: " you dissed me mo fo, I'm gonna blow you away as soon as I load my musket"

 

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It wasn't a tournament, it was a private club.
Thanks - I've corrected my post. And I'll go on record to say I'm probably overly sensitive about guns when it comes to young people having buried somebody who I loved dearly because of a gunshot wound at the age of 16.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 01:32 PM
I'm sorry, and I will take a lot of flack for this, but I see no reason in the world for this eight year old or anyone else who isn't in the active military to shoot or even touch such weapons. I have no problem with people having hunting rifles, shot guns, or having liscenced handguns for safety as long as they are legal.

I see zero reason for a regular citizen to need an AK-47, M-16 or any other working military weapon. I have a friend who bought an AK-47 after 9-11-01 as if Al Quaeda were gonna come marching up the street to invade us. I found it to be seriously rediculous how easy it is for a regular person to buy such military weapons. We might as well just give everyone a gun and make it like the old wild west. Road rage would take on a whole new meaning.

I also see zero reason for any eight year old to be shooting anything more than a BB-gun. That is a rediculous age to allow a kid to handle any gun much less something so powerful. Whatever adults that allowed this should be held at least partly responsible including the parents if they knew. There are no excuses as far as I'm concerned.

An eight year old boy gone forever over such nonsense!!! Just plain senseless!!!

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 01:36 PM
I'm of the opinion that whoever thought an 8 year old child could handle an Uzi should be held criminally negligent and personally responsible for the child's death. Only a f**king IDIOT would have allowed him to hold a weapon of that nature. That was NOT a demonstration of responsible gun ownership/usage/handling, yet gun control proponents would hold the gun responsible.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 01:49 PM
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My question is, why do we even need uzis ? Isn't a shotgun better for dove hunting ?
A 22 for squirrels. What is hunted with uzis ?


Trolls. It's got to be very effective against them since I've never heard of a troll infestation in Israel.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 01:53 PM
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I doubt that his family will read this. The question about why anyone needs an Uzi is valid.


I've never been arrested in my life. Paid my taxes on time. Never been sued. Two great kids and a lovely wife. I should be able to have a Howitzer if I want one. I DON'T want one and I obviously don't need one but no one should be able to tell me I can't have one.

That said, an 8 year old should be learning with a single shot .177 pellet rifle WITH supervision. Not a BB gun which is a toy. When he gets to about ten he can learn WITH supervision with a .22 rifle (again) preferably, a single shot. At thirteen or so (or when he's capable of dealing with the recoil) a .22 handgun WITH supervision. If he likes it he can move up to bigger calibers, skeet or trap WITH supervision and maybe join the ranks of hundreds of thousands of people who enjoy competitive target shooting.

Stuff like this just provides grist for the lefty gun-grabber mill.

 

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Stuff like this just provides grist for the lefty gun-grabber mill.


Yeah, "stuff like this" is probably a little more affecting for the victim's family, not to mention the crowd at the gun show that watched an 8 year old blow his head off.


Don't tell me, let me guess. You want to ban all guns, right?

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 02:14 PM
The tragedy really should not have happened. The 8 year old boy could not have had enough strength in his arms to counter the recoil and muzzle lash from firing anything, much less an Uzi, on full auto. Should he have been allowed to hold and fire the gun? Yes, but, I think that the gun should have had a either a blank round (you get the recoil and sound of a real round going off) or maybe a single round. Just one round, no more.
I think it was more of a safety issue regarding the instructor than anything else.

 

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I've never been arrested in my life. Paid my taxes on time. Never been sued. Two great kids and a lovely wife. I should be able to have a Howitzer if I want one.

Nice sense of entitlement you have there, Dick. Maybe you should be also be able to own and operate your own retail cocaine shop too?


Maybe you should the balance of my post, comrade. Or are you just too much in a hurry to make snarky?

 

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  posted on 10/27/2008 at 02:20 PM
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I'm of the opinion that whoever thought an 8 year old child could handle an Uzi should be held criminally negligent and personally responsible for the child's death. Only a f**king IDIOT would have allowed him to hold a weapon of that nature. That was NOT a demonstration of responsible gun ownership/usage/handling, yet gun control proponents would hold the gun responsible.


So true, Dave.

I accompanied my father and granfather into the field quail hunting before I was allowed to carry a gun. I was also taught how to use a gun (.22 with rat shot) and how to handle a gun before I was allowed to carry one in the field. My first shotgun was a 20 single shot breach load with a hammer. I had to carry the shell in my pocket until the dog pointed. At that point, either my grandfather or my dad would put their gun down, come to my side, allow me to chamber the shell, and direct me as to where to aim for the birds coming up, and cock the gun only when it was aimed downrange.

I just can't imagine an 8 year old handling an automatic weapon. Especially at a contolled event such as this.

 

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I've never been arrested in my life. Paid my taxes on time. Never been sued. Two great kids and a lovely wife. I should be able to have a Howitzer if I want one.

Nice sense of entitlement you have there, Dick. Maybe you should be also be able to own and operate your own retail cocaine shop too?


Maybe you should the balance of my post, comrade. Or are you just too much in a hurry to make snarky?

You think you should be able to own any firearm you wish. Nothing in the remainder of your post says otherwise. I quoted what I needed to quote, thanks.


I DO believe I should be able to own any firearm I wish. I've never done anything to warrant otherwise. Likewise I believe that YOU should be able to own any firearm you wish - if yours is a clean record.

 

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