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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 11:25 AM
From today's Boston Globe...it may not be news to everyone, but it was to me. Will this eventually take the place of "legal" aud recording/trading???

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Clear Channel has joined forces with the Allman Brothers Band to roll out its "Instant Live" CD program in two North Carolina amphitheaters starting this weekend: Saturday in Charlotte and Sunday in Raleigh. For these dates, Clear Channel expects to use 27 CD burners, each of which can turn out eight copies in 3 1/2 minutes. Proceeds from sales of the instant CDs -- expected to be a three-CD set that will cost at least $20 -- will be split equally between the band and Clear Channel.

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http://ae.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2003/07/29/instant_replay


 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 12:23 PM
The Dead have been selling sounboards of its current tour. They take orders at the show, do the mixing on the road to the next show and then mail the show to you. You can purchase the entire tour at a discount.

They still allow taping. Some tapers have expressed relief in not having to drag around thier gear and instead just purchase a soundboard from the band. The official soundboards are not being traded but the tapers' shows are being traded.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 01:29 PM
Clear Channel has had this idea in the works for about a year.They got the idea from Pearl Jam. It's not just with the Allmans, but they want to do it with every show. And I'm sure it will eventually catch on. Some bands may resist at first, but with the monopoly that CC has on the touring venues now, it will come down to either do it or don't play our venue. So sad. If the band was getting all the proceeds then I would gladly buy a copy at every show I attend. But I will not give corporate giant CC no more of my money than I have to. They are the reason that ticket prices have sky-rocketed and some bands can't get into certain venues anymore. I do not consider these cds at the shows to be commercial releases and therefore the shows should still be allowed to be traded freely. It will be interesting to see what the tapers feel about this. I would much rather have a copy that a taper burned. He tooked his time to buy a ticket, set up and tape, and then go home and convert it from dat to cd. If they didn't enjoy doing it then they wouldn't do it. CC only cares about the dollar. They don't give a damn about the band. I'm sure they will sell alot of cds at the shows, but I won't buy one.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 03:21 PM
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I do not consider these cds at the shows to be commercial releases and therefore the shows should still be allowed to be traded freely.


Whoa there. This needs to be thought out a little more. Remember presevation of the trading species?

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 04:39 PM
Beginning of the end

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 04:56 PM
Maybe not.

A lot of bands know how important trading has been to building their fan base. Even putting shows on the net for their fans. Hopefully the availability of SBD's will kill the bootleggers, but bands will still allow audience taping for the serious fans to trade.
Like the Dead are doing this summer.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 05:01 PM
I feel the same as Clay - this could spell the end [as we know it now]. Next some clown will buy these and then offer them on E-bay, etc. Don't blame the band a bit, could become a cash cow for them. Especially since I doubt they will still be touring in 5 years, but I could be wrong. I just don't picture them doin' the Stone's thing, when they are in or nearly 60 years old.



 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 05:07 PM
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I feel the same as Clay - this could spell the end [as we know it now]. Next some clown will buy these and then offer them on E-bay, etc. Don't blame the band a bit, could become a cash cow for them. Especially since I doubt they will still be touring in 5 years, but I could be wrong. I just don't picture them doin' the Stone's thing, when they are in or nearly 60 years old.





From what I've heard so far of this bland ass summer tour, Maybe 2/3 years at best....

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 05:51 PM
i wonder if this will soon mean that any venue owned by clear channel will discontinue taping even if the band is not selling the show? Thoughts? COnfused

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 06:05 PM
There's always been tension between the bands and promoters, but it's been up to the bands to allow taping. It's very cool that they do. Now that the bands are starting to cash in on their live recordings we should be careful not to get crossways with them, and that's not trading their official releases of their live shows. Making a copy for a friend is one thing, but trading them like we do here should be avoided, in my opinion.
The majority of fans no nothing about the trading that goes on here. I let a musically inclined friend know about the details of trading and they're interested but don't atuallly trade. I don't understand why they don't get into trading because it's such a great deal. Trading takes a lot of time, maybe. Any way, there may be two separate groups of fans out there. Us fanatics, and those who would love to pay for a copy of the show that they just enjoyed.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 06:17 PM




From what I've heard so far of this bland ass summer tour, Maybe 2/3 years at best....


Surely you aren't talking about The Allman's, are you? I saw them in Burgettstown, Pa. Saturday night, best show I've seen them play in many years. The tapes that I made show that the band gave a flawless performance, a real high energy show. Looking forward to the wife's birthday show in Charlotte, and I'm also looking forward to not taping for a change. We will relax and enjoy the show and buy the disc's afterwards.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 06:30 PM
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If the band was getting all the proceeds then I would gladly buy a copy at every show I attend. But I will not give corporate giant CC no more of my money than I have to.


Mike, if you feel that way, read down...there would then not be a reason for you to ever buy a record again

I posted this in another thread, but the points are the same:

A few general comments on this interesting development-

First, before you jump all over clear channel for being capitalistic, understand the band is splitting the proceeds with CC. That means they get $10 a disc, which is significantly higher than what they get from an album sale...by far. So the band is "capitalizing" on this concept as well.

The band will now be getting a cut from the sale of their concerts, which previously was taken by bootleggers...so they cut into that market. That is an important step.

We get boards- something we have not had. Frankly, I have thought the AUD recordings I have heard over the last couple of years were poor, and I have little desire to listen to any of those shows. I would sooner buy a couple of 3 disc shows at $20 than all the trading I have done to find a good show.

Lastly- I hope Betts does something similar to this...that band sounds great live as well, and it could work well for him

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 06:31 PM
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From what I've heard so far of this bland ass summer tour, Maybe 2/3 years at best....


Surely you aren't talking about The Allman's, are you? I saw them in Burgettstown, Pa. Saturday night, best show I've seen them play in many years. The tapes that I made show that the band gave a flawless performance, a real high energy show. Looking forward to the wife's birthday show in Charlotte, and I'm also looking forward to not taping for a change. We will relax and enjoy the show and buy the disc's afterwards.

I surely am of what I've heard so far..........

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 06:33 PM
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From what I've heard so far of this bland ass summer tour, Maybe 2/3 years at best....


Funny, I thought I was in the minority about the playing of the band this year (and last year as well).


 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 06:37 PM
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From what I've heard so far of this bland ass summer tour, Maybe 2/3 years at best....


Funny, I thought I was in the minority about the playing of the band this year (and last year as well).



And last year.......But I will say that the Boston Show this year is one of the better in a while...But that's just one!

[Edited on 7/29/2003 by ClayPelland]

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 07:07 PM
I knew it was only a matter of time. As for me, I would prolly buy the shows that I attended, but just go through the tapers for the rest..

 

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And last year.......But I will say that the Boston Show this year is one of the better in a while...But that's just one!

[Edited on 7/29/2003 by ClayPelland]


Glad you liked the Boston show. I've enjoyed all the disc's that I've heard from this year. This is the first year in quite some time that I can honestly say that though. Derek and Warren are playing off each other amazingly. Also Greg seems to be revitalized both vocally and in his playing. I read a recent interview where Butch was excited about the bands recent shows. He mentioned that Greg's sobriaty was having an impact and that the songs were starting to come out of him again. Butch said that the band has enough material for a couple more albums.

I hear a different band now and they do seem to be enjoying themselves more than in recent years.

Jonsey, I agree with your observations regarding the live releases. I'm not one to jump on Clear Channel's bandwagon, but I am glad to see ABB making sizable profits off their performances. Makes me feel a lot better than some idiot stealing a burnt copy off one of my audience masters and selling to some impulse buyer on ebay. At least the band is getting something back, and I get an opportunity to purchase a sbd recording at a reasonable price. It's also nice to not have to record every show that I attend.



 

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> But I will say that the Boston Show this year is one of the better in a while...But that's just one!


Yes!! Is there a recording of this show out there?

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 08:24 PM
Let me make this clear here. I no problem at all with this band! I just wish they would rotate out some older songs with some newer older songs. I mean I love them covering Muddy's songs But what about Can't Loose What You Never Had? What about Get On For Life for Gamblers Roll? etc etc.....Plus it seems just about every show i've received so far opens with Ain't Wastin' Time, By which IMO is to much of a "pretty" song to open with. Personally I like Black Heated Woman as an opener. And what would really be cool is if Gregg would sing the original version with the added lyrics like they did in 92, And if Gregg would add back the B3 solo on YDLM would be super! Little things like that......

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 08:26 PM
I think this is a great idea.. Sometime after the Charlotte show ends, I'll be hearing it again on my ride home..WOW !
 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 08:58 PM
I'm curious to know the official stance on the copyright issue. I have no doubt the SBD's will show up on the trading sites, and will get absorbed by the community. Sure the hardcore supporters of the band won't trade 'em, but what about the folks who don't know any better? Surely not everyone is/will be aware that these will be copyrighted?

Are they just burning them to CDR's for $20? That's excessive if they are.

I love live music, but I will avoid seeing any show that Clear Channel controls if they try to kill the taping community.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 09:08 PM
Let me make this clear here. I no problem at all with this band! I just wish they would rotate out some older songs with some newer older songs. - from my brother Clay.

Totally agree with you, saw them at Burgessstown this past weekend, was hoping to hear a few favorites, got 2 out or 3 They don't do Stormy Monday enough for me, but in Pa., it was a great version. Was hoping to hear the young lad's slide work on Dreams, but I guess it was Warren's turn.

I thought I saw a hearing aid in Gregg's right ear, well at least it looked like one from the view on the screen. Anyone notice the same thing during the past shows? Or was it the effects of some adult refreshments that I consumed

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 09:15 PM
just an ear plug

 

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 09:46 PM
It's an inner ear monitor. It lets you hear the band playing without having to have a loud monitor in front of you. Thus, you get a stereo mix and can have the volume turned down. Lower stage volume lets everyone on stage hear what is going on.

On a side note, people can hate Clear Channel all they want. The fact is they are a giant media company. Giant control issues here. If CC is involved, you know that there is a potential to make alot of money.

I think it is a poor choice personally that the ABB make any partnership with CC. All they would have to do is make a friendly phone call to the PEARL JAM offices; and ask how to do it successfully. PEARL JAM IS THE MODEL for the live experience CDs. Fair priced & every show is available. You get MP3 access quick, with hard copy CDs in the mail in 7 to 10 days. Can't be sweeter than that.

If you don't think that Audience recording is in jeopardy at Clear Channel venues; if this works really well.....Better pay attention

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  posted on 7/29/2003 at 11:24 PM
Either way, I really want to see 7/9/03 and 7/11/03 available. Where are they, folks?

And the ear monitor can clearly be seen in the Beacon video (3/20/01) that Clay has circulated, and then I copied for folks. Seems it doesn't stay in easily. Gregg keeps putting the thing in his ear, almost every song.

 

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